OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

Big nick · Post #2061 » by **Big nick** » Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:15 am

So why can't we all be happy about what Sam did this summer I think we are in a great position. We all wanted a good backup big we got that. We traded josh who I liked but he didn't fit our direction and got Caruso which will improve our defence so much. I am excited for this year.

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #2062 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:04 am

I think also as you "Big nick" to be grateful for this summer with the direction the Thunder took. I also was a fan of Josh and I still think he was a steal in his draft year, but the trade which Sam made for Caruso makes sense. I think Sam will keep the roster spot open in the case of injury problems. We were lucky last time by this theme and hopefully we will keep this trend the next season too. but you never know, and with the 15th roster spot Sam will keep a lot of flexibility to react in such a scenario. Trust in Sam.

The Servant · Post #2063 » by **The Servant** » Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:55 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:Come on guys. Everybody seems to be in a kind of summer sleep. Sam will soon address his yearly speech to the fans and the press. Media day will be the 30th of September an training camp will start the first October.

I'm starting to be a little bit of nervous, because I can't wait the start of the new season. NBA and the Thunder are such a great part of my life.

I can't wait for the fall. Got a son coming in November right after bball starts up and I'm taking 5 weeks of parental leave to hang with the girl and my son and to watch a ton of ball.

Devilanche · Post #2064 » by **Devilanche** » Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:38 am

The Servant wrote:
Mr Thunder Nick wrote:Come on guys. Everybody seems to be in a kind of summer sleep. Sam will soon address his yearly speech to the fans and the press. Media day will be the 30th of September an training camp will start the first October.

I'm starting to be a little bit of nervous, because I can't wait the start of the new season. NBA and the Thunder are such a great part of my life.

I can't wait for the fall. Got a son coming in November right after bball starts up and I'm taking 5 weeks of parental leave to hang with the girl and my son and to watch a ton of ball.

Congrats on the upcoming childbirth and have fun spending time with the kids.

Post #2065 » by **Clav** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 11:42 pm

Simple idea --

MIN has one 16 players, needs to cut one so...

MIN trades Keita Bates Diop ($2.6M/1) to OKC, and 2029 MIN second round pick

Is this alright ?

Post #2066 » by **retrobro90** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:04 pm

Clav wrote:Simple idea --

MIN has one 16 players, needs to cut one so...

MIN trades Keita Bates Diop ($2.6M/1) to OKC, and 2029 MIN second round pick

Is this alright ?

Don't hate it but it might be more valuable to keep an open roster spot headed into the deadline just to have that extra bit of trade flexibility

Woerzboerg · Post #2067 » by **Woerzboerg** » Sat Oct 5, 2024 9:58 am

I see the point, but I would have liked to hand out a contract worth the room MLE/2 years (2025/26 non guranteed) to someone like Covington, Crowder, Gallinari, Biyombo just to make sure you could aggregate this salary at the Deadline with someone like Kenrich or Dieng to being able to bring in a contract up to like 20 million $ a year.

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #2068 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:39 am

What is the next contract extension we can sign? Caruso ?

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #2069 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:26 am

Chet has a hip fracture. He is out for at least 2 month. Hartenstein is still out at least 3 weeks, so is JWil.
DAWN. Is there any free agent center we can sign? Or trading for a center?

Kizz Fastfists · Post #2070 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:32 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:Chet has a hip fracture. He is out for at least 2 month. Hartenstein is still out at least 3 weeks, so is JWil.
DAWN. Is there any free agent center we can sign? Or trading for a center?

If OKC actually needed a big man then I'm sure Presti would have gotten adequate depth this off-season. They can just start JDub at center and go super small ball and be fine. The person who was accusing Presti of incompetence this off-season for not adding another quality big man and just sitting on the room MLE is just an annoying troll that doesn't know anything. Presti is the greatest and never makes super obvious mistakes that a toddler is capable of identifying like overloading on guards and ignoring adequate big man depth.

Big nick · Post #2071 » by **Big nick** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:21 pm

Kizz you are the most negative man I know have nothing to say about our great start and now this crap. Hell he signed AH nothing you just can't be happy. I was kind of missing you, but not now. I mean he'll we were tearing it up and no kizz and our 3 centers hurt and now you bash Sam I mean wtf dude.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #2072 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:31 pm

Big nick wrote:Kizz you are the most negative man I know have nothing to say about our great start and now this crap. Hell he signed AH nothing you just can't be happy. I was kind of missing you, but not now. I mean he'll we were tearing it up and no kizz and our 3 centers hurt and now you bash Sam I mean wtf dude.

Is the measuring stick for this team winning a championship or just making the playoffs? If the measuring stick is just making the playoffs then they are great, wonderful and Presti is the best. If the measuring stick is a championship everything I said about Presti being an ignorant piece of garbage and not fixing the problems with the roster is on full display. I'll tell you what. You tell me what the measuring stick for success is for OKC and I'll try my best to play along with that objective for the rest of this season. Is the goal of OKC just to make the playoffs or is the goal to win a championship?

Big nick · Post #2073 » by **Big nick** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:29 pm

To win a chip but you act like we couldn't. Also you never post positive posts just negative man you get old posting that bs. You ever heard the saying if you can something nice don't say anything. Just your damn negative gets very old fast.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #2074 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:39 pm

Big nick wrote:To win a chip but you act like we couldn't. Also you never post positive posts just negative man you get old posting that bs. You ever heard the saying if you can something nice don't say anything. Just your damn negative gets very old fast.

I heard that, but I was taught better. If you can't speak the truth don't speak at all. If you are afraid to speak the truth you are not a man. If you can't differentiate the fact from the fiction go to the library, gain knowledge and become less ignorant.

bbms · Post #2075 » by **bbms** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:39 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Big nick wrote:Kizz you are the most negative man I know have nothing to say about our great start and now this crap. Hell he signed AH nothing you just can't be happy. I was kind of missing you, but not now. I mean he'll we were tearing it up and no kizz and our 3 centers hurt and now you bash Sam I mean wtf dude.

Is the measuring stick for this team winning a championship or just making the playoffs? If the measuring stick is just making the playoffs then they are great, wonderful and Presti is the best. If the measuring stick is a championship everything I said about Presti being an ignorant piece of garbage and not fixing the problems with the roster is on full display. I'll tell you what. You tell me what the measuring stick for success is for OKC and I'll try my best to play along with that objective for the rest of this season. Is the goal of OKC just to make the playoffs or is the goal to win a championship?

i think the hartenstein move was good for those intentions. adding depth and option vs heavy/dual center matchups.

variance exists.

but, thanks to you i started looking at some roster continuity rate and championship winning, and it's a lot more complex, if not crapshooty than you try to convince yourself.

also, thunder's 82% continuity rate (inflated because of the early time missed by hartenstein) are in line with the roster continuity rate of the past 4 championship winners. the projected mpg of caruso and hartenstein (both projected for over 1500 mp) + rookies (notably ajay)

2023/24: bos 69% continuity rate, top additions jrue (2263 mp) and porzingis (1690 mp)
2022/23: den 51%* continuity rate, top additions kcp (2381 mp) and bruce brown (2280 mp) *deflated due to inclusion of murray as addition
2021/22: gsw 68%** continuity rate, top additions otto porter jr (1396 mp), bjelica (1185 mp) and (kuminga 1143 mp) **deflated due to inclusion of klay as addition
2020/2021: mil 59% continuity rate, top additions jrue (1906 mp), portis (1372 mp) and bryn forbes (1354 mp)

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #2076 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:50 pm

I'm with Big Nick. Roster planning this summer was perfect. Three centers to be hurt at the same time is really a lot of misfortune. Chet will surely not return before the Allstar break. So with the circumstances from this moment, does we need a big to overcome a little bit the next weeks, at least till Hartenstein and JWil will be back. Signing a big to two 10 days contracts for example.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #2077 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:01 pm

bbms wrote:i think the hartenstein move was good for those intentions. adding depth and option vs heavy/dual center matchups.

variance exists. if you understand 29 teams as failures and 1 team as successful, historically splashy roster turnovers turn into just more expensive failures.

Hartenstein gave them a starting center. Chet was their starting PF. Jaylin Williams was the only legitimate backup big man on the roster. Now they have three injuries and they have no legitimate center or PF available. When you only have three players on your roster for 40% of your lineup it isn't going to go well. If you attempt to argue someone shorter than SGA is a legitimate PF then I will simply conclude you and Presti are both in opposition of OKC winning a championship.

It isn't a failure if you legitimately do everything you can to achieve your goals and come up short. However, I made it clear repeatedly during the off-season that Presti was failing to do that. So if the goal is to win a championship then Presti didn't act like it during the off-season. What are you calling flashy roster turnover? Hartenstein, Caruso and Ajay are not flashy roster turnover, but adding a room MLE big man for obviously needed depth purposes would be?

Kizz Fastfists · Post #2078 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:06 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:I'm with Big Nick. Roster planning this summer was perfect. Three centers to be hurt at the same time is really a lot of misfortune. Chet will surely not return before the Allstar break. So with the circumstances from this moment, does we need a big to overcome a little bit the next weeks, at least till Hartenstein and JWil will be back. Signing a big to two 10 days contracts for example.

Going into a season with a total of three competent big men on the roster is gross incompetence. Every rotation worthy center and power forward are out with injury. Yes, I am saying Dieng is not a rotation worthy player. Please don't try to argue that a 6'5 player is a legitimate PF.

Post #2079 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:12 pm

complaining about roster construction is such a load of crap lol. oh wow, you're saying the thunder can't absorb the loss of their best two big men + their one capable big man reserve? the celtics knew that zingis would be out for months and they came into the season with horford, kornet and quetas as their only bigs. we going to string them up for "gross incompetence?" get a grip, losers.

bbms · Post #2080 » by **bbms** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:19 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
bbms wrote:i think the hartenstein move was good for those intentions. adding depth and option vs heavy/dual center matchups.

variance exists. if you understand 29 teams as failures and 1 team as successful, historically splashy roster turnovers turn into just more expensive failures.

Hartenstein gave them a starting center. Chet was their starting PF. Jaylin Williams was the only legitimate backup big man on the roster. Now they have three injuries and they have no legitimate center or PF available. When you only have three players on your roster for 40% of your lineup it isn't going to go well. If you attempt to argue someone shorter than SGA is a legitimate PF then I will simply conclude you and Presti are both in opposition of OKC winning a championship.

It isn't a failure if you legitimately do everything you can to achieve your goals and come up short. However, I made it clear repeatedly during the off-season that Presti was failing to do that. So if the goal is to win a championship then Presti didn't act like it during the off-season. What are you calling flashy roster turnover? Hartenstein, Caruso and Ajay are not flashy roster turnover, but adding a room MLE big man for obviously needed depth purposes would be?

even if this is a true assumption, it's absolutely irrelevant.

chet is more than adequate enough to make hartenstein a flexible piece for coach to use in a variety of ways. in fact with chet as starting center the thunder was top 5 defensively in 2023/24 and had a '85 bears-like 9 game start defensively in 2024/25.

it would be really dumb to add with a dogmatic mindset when the nba season is a dynamic analytic driven league.

but i also don't think it is as when all of them were available, coach gave caruso, wiggins and hartenstein equal shots at the final starting spot.