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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#681 » by Parliament10 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:46 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Too early for all that.


Maybe but can we at least cut Tillman? :P

Not good for locker room vibes.

There's really no significant benefit to cutting him.

Right now the Celtics are fine as is.

Removing or adding a player sometimes affects chemistry.

Yeah. Tillman is on a sweet deal. I think that we keep the 5 Bigs this Season.
And then figure out next Seasons Bigs, in the Off-Season.

Porzingis, is the one that we have to watch. He's our Best Big, but he's highly injury prone.
Horford may Retire after this Season. If he stays, I see his role diminishing. Not sure how much longer he can play?

For Guards, I can see us keeping Jrue for awhile. But, with Pritchard coming up, IDK how long we'll keep Holiday?
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#682 » by shackles10 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:06 am

Totally different players but Queta’s play, salary for the next 3 years, and racking up wins without KP making the case that KP could be the salary casualty when it’s time. Of course PP is playing even better than Queta so I could see where the case to move Jrue first comes from. Lastly if we repeat I think it makes it really tough to move anyone and that’s my obvious favorite outcome.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#683 » by phincsfan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:42 pm

shackles10 wrote:Totally different players but Queta’s play, salary for the next 3 years, and racking up wins without KP making the case that KP could be the salary casualty when it’s time. Of course PP is playing even better than Queta so I could see where the case to move Jrue first comes from. Lastly if we repeat I think it makes it really tough to move anyone and that’s my obvious favorite outcome.


Agreed. A repeat IMO makes running it back for the dynasty label a no brainer.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#684 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:28 pm

Jaylen Brown featured in the new HBO Max teaser for its shows in 2025 (0:29)... Celtics City: New Documentary Series is coming next year.

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Post#685 » by bisme37 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:34 pm

Our NBA Cup group looked pretty cushy when it came out, but I just noticed Cavs are in it. Should be a good game on 11/19.

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Post#686 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:58 pm

Man, with the way Springer, Scheierman, Jordan Walsh have looked, and I acknowledge we are trying to develop some young guys who don’t yet have NBA experience, I feel like our 10-14th depth has just not looked great to start the year. Payton’s great start has sort of covered up the deficiency behind him.

You look last year at how Svi, Lamar Stevens, Dalano, Oshae Brissett looked and I just feel like those guys were holding down the fort, closing out blowouts, providing spot minutes … and this year we’re just not getting that much and our 2way guys haven’t popped yet either.

With the 2nd apron and teams being hard capped, I dunno … I think making trades is gonna be a little tougher … and we’ll see but to start the year, I just don’t love the 11-17 part of the roster, which is like a minor quibble type of issue, but it’s been something I have noted as an area of concern
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Post#687 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:06 pm

The Celtics are 9-2 without their 3rd best player, their 2nd best player having a 50% TS%, their best player clanking jumpers, and no bench to speak of other than Pritchard and Queta in spots. Must be nice.
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#688 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:08 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:The Celtics are 9-2 without their 3rd best player, their 2nd best player having a 50% TS%, their best player clanking jumpers, and no bench to speak of other than Pritchard and Queta in spots. Must be nice.

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Post#689 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:25 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Man, with the way Springer, Scheierman, Jordan Walsh have looked, and I acknowledge we are trying to develop some young guys who don’t yet have NBA experience, I feel like our 10-14th depth has just not looked great to start the year. Payton’s great start has sort of covered up the deficiency behind him.

You look last year at how Svi, Lamar Stevens, Dalano, Oshae Brissett looked and I just feel like those guys were holding down the fort, closing out blowouts, providing spot minutes … and this year we’re just not getting that much and our 2way guys haven’t popped yet either.

With the 2nd apron and teams being hard capped, I dunno … I think making trades is gonna be a little tougher … and we’ll see but to start the year, I just don’t love the 11-17 part of the roster, which is like a minor quibble type of issue, but it’s been something I have noted as an area of concern

The same Svi Mykhailuk that can't get minutes on the worst team in the league ? The same Dalano Banton that got publicly called out for his lack of effort by a coach that never throws his players under the bus pubicly ? The same Lamar Stevens that got cut by the freaking Detroit Pistons during training camp ? The same Oshae Brissett that couldn't get an NBA job this summer ? If those guys were so good why are they all out (or well on their way out) of the league a couple months after winning a championship ? I appreciate what those guys did for the team on the way to banner 18 but let's not overstate their impact. Their job was to not blow leads so badly the starters had to come back in. They did that perfectly fine but so has the current deep bench.
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Post#690 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:48 am

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Post#691 » by Parliament10 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm

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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#692 » by phincsfan » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:40 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Man, with the way Springer, Scheierman, Jordan Walsh have looked, and I acknowledge we are trying to develop some young guys who don’t yet have NBA experience, I feel like our 10-14th depth has just not looked great to start the year. Payton’s great start has sort of covered up the deficiency behind him.

You look last year at how Svi, Lamar Stevens, Dalano, Oshae Brissett looked and I just feel like those guys were holding down the fort, closing out blowouts, providing spot minutes … and this year we’re just not getting that much and our 2way guys haven’t popped yet either.

With the 2nd apron and teams being hard capped, I dunno … I think making trades is gonna be a little tougher … and we’ll see but to start the year, I just don’t love the 11-17 part of the roster, which is like a minor quibble type of issue, but it’s been something I have noted as an area of concern


You really need just one of those guys to be a contributor. One was a flyer (Springer), one was a project (Walsh) and Rico was Stevens real first stab at a 1st rd pick. At 20 years old with one year of G League experience, Walsh hasn't been bad because he hasn't hurt them when he plays. And unlike those guys you mentioned, he's played in legit non-garbage time games and hasn't hurt them.
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Post#693 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:35 am

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Post#694 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:56 pm

YouTube short at 1:07 talking about beautiful 5-out ball movement but JT misses the three



To me, I was watching that play, thinking “JT drive that baseline!! You can drive that into a paint finish!!” And I forget the shot clock situation, but on plays like that, five NBA players and nobody wants to step inside the line and attack, it just looks low effort. Make or miss, it looks like soft, low effort basketball.
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Post#695 » by Hal14 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:42 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:YouTube short at 1:07 talking about beautiful 5-out ball movement but JT misses the three



To me, I was watching that play, thinking “JT drive that baseline!! You can drive that into a paint finish!!” And I forget the shot clock situation, but on plays like that, five NBA players and nobody wants to step inside the line and attack, it just looks low effort. Make or miss, it looks like soft, low effort basketball.

Well, JB does step inside the line and attack but he's immediately met by a help defender, so he ahd 2 defenders on him and quickly makes the right play to pass to the open man - Jrue.

Jrue then has a defender right in his grill, so makes the right play to pass to wide open Al. He kind of has a slow release on his shot though (has a high relase point and takes some time to get his arms way up there, square up so he can shoot it) and Dyson Daniels is such a good defender he was able to close out really quick to get right up on Al to take away the open look, so he made the right play to pass to the open White.

White was open, but again - really good closeout by Wallace to come out quickly on white so then he wasn't open anymore..which left JT wide open and white made the right play to pass him the ball.

Tatum then has an open look and makes the right play to shoot the ball. I guess you could have said Tatum should have drived the ball baseline there but:

a) 3 points is more than 2
b) There were 2 defenders closing out quickly so if he had put the ball on the floor there, he's double teamed with nowhere to go and the shot clock running down. Plus another defender for the Hawks was right near the rim and could have helped if Tatum got near the rim.

It was good defense by ATL on that play, yet we still managed to get a really good look, by a good shooter. We just didn't get the bounce on that one..but the process was good for us..
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#696 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:56 pm

Hal14 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:YouTube short at 1:07 talking about beautiful 5-out ball movement but JT misses the three



To me, I was watching that play, thinking “JT drive that baseline!! You can drive that into a paint finish!!” And I forget the shot clock situation, but on plays like that, five NBA players and nobody wants to step inside the line and attack, it just looks low effort. Make or miss, it looks like soft, low effort basketball.



Tatum then has an open look and makes the right play to shoot the ball. I guess you could have said Tatum should have drived the ball baseline there but:

a) 3 points is more than 2
b) There were 2 defenders closing out quickly so if he had put the ball on the floor there, he's double teamed with nowhere to go and the shot clock running down. Plus another defender for the Hawks was right near the rim and could have helped if Tatum got near the rim.

It was good defense by ATL on that play, yet we still managed to get a really good look, by a good shooter. We just didn't get the bounce on that one..but the process was good for us..

Well, yes three points is more than two. But two is worth more than none.

3 > 2 > 0

So like you have to look at the field goal % of each potential attempt and then look at where you are within the flow of the game

100 3PTA converting at 40% generates 120 points. 100 2PTA at 60% generates 120 points.

But if you only have one single possession in which you want a basket, you have a 50% greater chance at success if you take the 2 with the higher %
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Re: Celtics 2024-25, Season Thread 

Post#697 » by snowman » Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:32 pm

So, the Celts have 3 losses, but only by a combined 10 points. Not the end of the world, but not going to lie. 2 losses at home stinks, and losing to Atl, even by just 1 sucks. 1 and 1 in 2 overtime games already.
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Post#698 » by Fierce1 » Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:41 pm

snowman wrote:So, the Celts have 3 losses, but only by a combined 10 points. Not the end of the world, but not going to lie. 2 losses at home stinks, and losing to Atl, even by just 1 sucks. 1 and 1 in 2 overtime games already.

Cs started 15-5 last season.

If Cs can go 16-4 this season then it's better than last season.
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Post#699 » by phincsfan » Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:19 pm

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snowman wrote:So, the Celts have 3 losses, but only by a combined 10 points. Not the end of the world, but not going to lie. 2 losses at home stinks, and losing to Atl, even by just 1 sucks. 1 and 1 in 2 overtime games already.

Cs started 15-5 last season.

If Cs can go 16-4 this season then it's better than last season.


They finished the season 16-3 on 6/17 :D
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Post#700 » by phincsfan » Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:21 pm

snowman wrote:So, the Celts have 3 losses, but only by a combined 10 points. Not the end of the world, but not going to lie. 2 losses at home stinks, and losing to Atl, even by just 1 sucks. 1 and 1 in 2 overtime games already.


And I think the GS and Indy games were big comebacks. Not terrible losses.

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