Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[will]

Lets keep this place and not give it up .....We are where i thought we would be and im glad for this 1 year we are going this direction

If Barnes didn't get hurt, this team could be 7-4.

Second time I'm having to say this today, but "If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike". If other teams had no injuries maybe we lose them anyways, or maybe GD/RJ play worse and so on.

What happened, happened. We're 2-9 and shall be bad for the foreseeable future, enjoy the ride.

Gino D'Acampo!

[Clutch0z24]

If Barnes didn't get hurt, this team could be 7-4.

Second time I'm having to say this today, but "If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike". If other teams had no injuries maybe we lose them anyways, or maybe GD/RJ play worse and so on.

What happened, happened. We're 2-9 and shall be bad for the foreseeable future, enjoy the ride.

Process > Results.

Simply looking at record and saying “other teams are hurt to” is just the absolute worst way to analyze the current situation. That is ignoring a number of factors such as:

1) not all injuries are equal
2) we have been significantly more injured than teams we’ve played
3) our schedule has been the hardest in the NBA.

Good analysis would incorporate all those factors into the 11 games we’ve played. Bad analysis would say “my grandma would be a bike with wheels.

It’s just incomprehensible to on one hand think Barnes is a stud player (like you and many of us do) and on the other hand think him playing wouldn’t improve our team. Pick a lane. You don’t get to sit on both sides.

Regarding my 3 points, those are definitive unarguable FACTS. Considering eventually we will play worse teams than what we have, and it’s unlikely we will be missing 50% or more of our teams rotation all season, it’s just not a logical conclusion that our 2-9 record is indicative of what this team will be all year.

I think your forgetting that more than likely the goal of this season is to in fact get a top pick this year....All offseason we heard comments suggesting this....Our own coach saying little things to suggest it as well....Yak himself having maybe a slip up saying it....

We are not really trying to win ....We are developing yeah but if we show signs of winning or become healthy i won't be shocked or surprised to see players who are helping us win get traded.....Yak/Boucher/Brown/Olynyk just to name a few....The plan i think always been the 2025 draft.

[YogurtProducer]

Second time I'm having to say this today, but "If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike". If other teams had no injuries maybe we lose them anyways, or maybe GD/RJ play worse and so on.

What happened, happened. We're 2-9 and shall be bad for the foreseeable future, enjoy the ride.

Process > Results.

Simply looking at record and saying “other teams are hurt to” is just the absolute worst way to analyze the current situation. That is ignoring a number of factors such as:

1) not all injuries are equal
2) we have been significantly more injured than teams we’ve played
3) our schedule has been the hardest in the NBA.

Good analysis would incorporate all those factors into the 11 games we’ve played. Bad analysis would say “my grandma would be a bike with wheels.

It’s just incomprehensible to on one hand think Barnes is a stud player (like you and many of us do) and on the other hand think him playing wouldn’t improve our team. Pick a lane. You don’t get to sit on both sides.

Regarding my 3 points, those are definitive unarguable FACTS. Considering eventually we will play worse teams than what we have, and it’s unlikely we will be missing 50% or more of our teams rotation all season, it’s just not a logical conclusion that our 2-9 record is indicative of what this team will be all year.

I think your forgetting that more than likely the goal of this season is to in fact get a top pick this year....All offseason we heard comments suggesting this....Our own coach saying little things to suggest it as well....Yak himself having maybe a slip up saying it....

We are not really trying to win ....We are developing yeah but if we show signs of winning or become healthy i won't be shocked or surprised to see players who are helping us win get traded.....Yak/Boucher/Brown/Olynyk just to name a few....The plan i think always been the 2025 draft.

And where did anything I say suggest that is not our plan?

My initial point in all of it (which Scase was alluding to) was that if we want to maintain a top pick we need to likely make a move to make that happen, because if guys come back healthy we are not going to lose games.

[DelAbbot]

Send Yak packing

[Ell Curry]

There are not that many teams openly tanking this year. Washington and Portland are just horribly run and nobody knows what they are doing. Charlotte and Detroit are under mandates to win.

Utah is the only team, other than us IMO, that is openly tanking. (They are not going to pass up this chance with the consensus #1 pick being a white guy).

I think that's harsh on Washington's new front office. They're tanking. Right now they're getting 84 minutes a game from rookies (Carrington, George, Sarr) which comfortably leads the entire league as they're 1st, 2nd and 5th in minutes among rookies. That's tanking.

[WhatsaTDot]

Plus we lost to Philly team even more decimated by injuries than us at the time.

Overall feels good man.

[YogurtProducer]

Plus we lost to Philly team even more decimated by injuries than us at the time.

Overall feels good man.

Didnt we beat Philly?

[WhatsaTDot]

Plus we lost to Philly team even more decimated by injuries than us at the time.

Overall feels good man.

Didnt we beat Philly?

Yeah we did but my thinking is so conflicted my brain has recorded that win as an actual loss.

[Thaddy]

A 500 record would be 3rd in the East. We've seen Masai go for that before so there's a concern about direction despite the narrative being we need to rebuild. A trade that would really cement us going for a rebuild would be a Poeltl trade.

I am going to guess we need some dominos to fall for other teams before that happens. I could see a Brown for Lopez trade which would close down our gap at the C position. That would make Poeltl easier to trade while not making the team complete dysfunctional.

I could see it going another way where Darko asks for a back up C and we sell a pick for that. That would be a really tough decision to back. It's evident we need more top end young talent. Barnes and, maybe Dick are a good start but another premium caliber prospect would make us better down the road.

I'm not a big believer of RJ and IQ helping us play winning basketball. They are weak defensive players, and Dick isn't helping that either. We invested a lot into IQ and the idea we have regarding him is pretty clear. Masai literally said "you and Scottie" to IQ. I can't understand how Barrett and Dick fit there.

I'm seeing Barrett as an expendable piece we are building the value of, there's some disconnection between what RJ thinks of himself within the organization and what the organization values him as. He isn't a core piece and I would be surprised if his contract were to be renewed here. He doesn't play a winning brand of basketball. There's a lack of creation and defensive ability that limits him as a guard. He's DeRozan-like in the manner where his numbers don't reflect his true contribution to winning.

Dick also looks like a player that fell to them in the draft, opposed to being targeted by our front office. He's shown out on offense but his defense is just as bad as last year. I'm not sure how you can put him and IQ together without having a league worst defense. I am going to guess he's a sixth man long term but we're trying to spike up his value while he's here too.

[ArthurVandelay]

so what are the upsides of the top-5 in this draft?

who has legit superstar potential? like best player on a championship team potential

It’s early but I think Ace, Flagg, and Demin

Those are the guys for me. I like other players in this draft a lot too but those are the top 3 hands down…2 games into the college season.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

so what are the upsides of the top-5 in this draft?

who has legit superstar potential? like best player on a championship team potential

It’s early but I think Ace, Flagg, and Demin

Those are the guys for me. I like other players in this draft a lot too but those are the top 3 hands down…2 games into the college season.

"2 games into the college season"

Taken with a HUGE grain of f*cking salt" LMAO!

Fingers crossed they all have lights out March Madness runs.

ill check back in April
/tongue in cheek

[Basketball_Jones]

Dame sitting against us. Even the 2-8 Bucks think they can have rest games against us lol

[Thaddy]

Dame sitting against us. Even the 2-8 Bucks think they can have rest games against us lol

It's a cheap victory we could probably handle. Ideally we lose here too and blame it on our injuries (Barnes, Olynyk, Brown, and IQ again).

[Chandan]

Dame sitting against us. Even the 2-8 Bucks think they can have rest games against us lol

It's a cheap victory we could probably handle. Ideally we lose here too and blame it on our injuries (Barnes, Olynyk, Brown, and IQ again).

I'd rather it be a victory against a good team if we have a certain amount of those by virtue of being the broken clock.

[Thaddy]

Dame sitting against us. Even the 2-8 Bucks think they can have rest games against us lol

It's a cheap victory we could probably handle. Ideally we lose here too and blame it on our injuries (Barnes, Olynyk, Brown, and IQ again).

I'd rather it be a victory against a good team if we have a certain amount of those by virtue of being the broken clock.

Our best player will be RJ, their best player will be Antetokounmpo. It's going to be a win for the Bucks unless we see a worldly performance. RJ has been in his Knick form for about 5 games now and his averages aren't looking great. I would bet against the Raptors despite Dame being out. The excuse going to be IQ and Barnes are out which shouldn't affect team morale too much.

[ArthurVandelay]

so what are the upsides of the top-5 in this draft?

who has legit superstar potential? like best player on a championship team potential

It’s early but I think Ace, Flagg, and Demin

Those are the guys for me. I like other players in this draft a lot too but those are the top 3 hands down…2 games into the college season.

"2 games into the college season"

Taken with a HUGE grain of f*cking salt" LMAO!

Fingers crossed they all have lights out March Madness runs.

ill check back in April
/tongue in cheek

Absolutely huge grain of salt. It's early. Guys are going to rise. Guys are going to fall. Guys nobody heard of are going to appear.

But I do like all three of those guys. I like Ace and Demin over Flagg for what it's worth.

This draft is a really good one. Last year I struggled to find 15 guys I really liked. This year I'm easily at 30.

Two guys I really like (early) who haven't had too much buzz are Mackenzie Agbako and Noah Penda.

[McFurious1]

I haven't posted in forever but I'm always up for a good TWO takeover.

[Basketball_Jones]

Ace looks like the go to scorer, Ant Edwards type of player and taller. Coop looks like he will impact the game everywhere, not just scoring. Can’t go wrong either one, but I do think our team has so many weaknesses that Coop will be better for us. Ace will easily fill that go to scorer role though, so it’s a very tough choice if we are lucky enough to choose.

[Scase]

Ace looks like the go to scorer, Ant Edwards type of player and taller. Coop looks like he will impact the game everywhere, not just scoring. Can’t go wrong either one, but I do think our team has so many weaknesses that Coop will be better for us. Ace will easily fill that go to scorer role though, so it’s a very tough choice if we are lucky enough to choose.

I feel like the "other" areas are easier to fill, but we desperately need a top shelf scoring talent. Ultimately I'd be happy with either one, but a potential top 5 offensive player in the league would be where I'd lean.

Ace could replace RJ, and he could fetch us players or bundled to fetch us another high level player to fill our gaps. Getting Flagg puts us in a Siakam/Barnes situation again with a lot of overlap, both of them look firmly to be PFs, and while Scottie could probably slide into the SF role a bit easier, I think ideally he stays as a PF.

Granted, BPA is BPA so this is all subject to change, and if Flagg REALLY becomes a consensus #1 player, then you pick him no matter what. All things being equal I think we need the scoring punch more than anything.

What's the word on their defence? I haven't heard much about either of them in those aspects.

[billy_hoyle]

Ace looks like the go to scorer, Ant Edwards type of player and taller. Coop looks like he will impact the game everywhere, not just scoring. Can’t go wrong either one, but I do think our team has so many weaknesses that Coop will be better for us. Ace will easily fill that go to scorer role though, so it’s a very tough choice if we are lucky enough to choose.

I feel like the "other" areas are easier to fill, but we desperately need a top shelf scoring talent. Ultimately I'd be happy with either one, but a potential top 5 offensive player in the league would be where I'd lean.

Ace could replace RJ, and he could fetch us players or bundled to fetch us another high level player to fill our gaps. Getting Flagg puts us in a Siakam/Barnes situation again with a lot of overlap, both of them look firmly to be PFs, and while Scottie could probably slide into the SF role a bit easier, I think ideally he stays as a PF.

Granted, BPA is BPA so this is all subject to change, and if Flagg REALLY becomes a consensus #1 player, then you pick him no matter what. All things being equal I think we need the scoring punch more than anything.

What's the word on their defence? I haven't heard much about either of them in those aspects.

Can Flagg move his feet and turn his hips to keep up with a generic NBA SF?

If he can, don't we have have a game breaking weak-side defender always patrolling the court (i.e. Barnes or Flagg will be hedging and disrupting at all times).

Has there ever been a team with two ROY caliber hybrid forwards like that?

I'm intrigued by that combo.

I do think the Ace archetype has been historically shown to be a good fit.