OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

[bbms]

complaining about roster construction is such a load of crap lol. oh wow, you're saying the thunder can't absorb the loss of their best two big men + their one capable big man reserve? the celtics knew that zingis would be out for months and they came into the season with horford, kornet and quetas as their only bigs. we going to string them up for "gross incompetence?" get a grip, losers.

kenrich williams has played a ton of center to decent success in the past few years so that makes two capable reserves, not just one.

[Kizz Fastfists]

kenrich williams has played a ton of center to decent success in the past few years so that makes two capable reserves, not just one.

He played some center for a lottery team. Have the expectations for the season gone from making the WCF to being a lottery team?

[bbms]

kenrich williams has played a ton of center to decent success in the past few years so that makes two capable reserves, not just one.

He played some center for a lottery team. Have the expectations for the season gone from making the WCF to being a lottery team?

not true, he played most of the minutes he had last season as center for a 1st seed with a positive net rating

[slick_watts]

kenrich williams has played a ton of center to decent success in the past few years so that makes two capable reserves, not just one.

He played some center for a lottery team. Have the expectations for the season gone from making the WCF to being a lottery team?

kenrich has played 751 minutes the last three seasons with no other big in the game, and the thunder are +10pp100 in those minutes. it's been one of our most successful configurations. if kenrich is anything close to healthy, playing him at center has a positive precedent.

these numbers took me less than 3 minutes to look up. please don't spread misinformation.

[OKC2008]

With both Chet and Hart available, J-Will would have played 5 minutes a game in garbage time..

So 3 centers are more than enough for that team..
Now really did someone want a trade in summer for a 4th center in rotation?
That’s hilarious

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Kendrich Williams will be back against the Clippers. Perfect timing, but he has to come into his rhythm.

[slick_watts]

i'd take a look at larry nance jr. could be probably had for cheap from the hawks. switchable size. doesn't give you much on offense anymore but could help defensively. $11m expiring.

[Kizz Fastfists]

He played some center for a lottery team. Have the expectations for the season gone from making the WCF to being a lottery team?

kenrich has played 751 minutes the last three seasons with no other big in the game, and the thunder are +10pp100 in those minutes. it's been one of our most successful configurations. if kenrich is anything close to healthy, playing him at center has a positive precedent.

these numbers took me less than 3 minutes to look up. please don't spread misinformation.

In order to disprove my statement about Kenrich playing some center for a lottery team you cite data from lottery teams. Perhaps you would like to cite the data that doesn't consist lottery teams. Are you seriously trying to suggest that there isn't going to be a significant drop off with OKC playing SFs like JDub and Kenrich at center full-time? It's one thing to have a legitimate big man starting then running small ball for 90 seconds here and there, 751 minutes over three seasons comes to 3 minutes a game, it is another thing to be forced to go small for a month, or more, because of terrible roster construction and lack of big men on the roster.

[slick_watts]

In order to disprove my statement about Kenrich playing some center for a lottery team you cite data from lottery teams.

over half of those minutes came on last year's #1 seed thunder, and the team was +11.8pp100 in those minutes.

Perhaps you would like to cite the data that doesn't consist lottery teams.

see above. although, i don't see what the team's playoff seeding has to do with how well the lineups performed.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that there isn't going to be a significant drop off with OKC playing SFs like JDub and Kenrich at center full-time?

a drop off relative to what? relative to having chet holmgren and isaiah hartenstein healthy? sure. relative to having a 15th man fourth big man on the roster like neemas queta? i don't think so.

It's one thing to have a legitimate big man starting then running small ball for 90 seconds here and there, 751 minutes over three seasons comes to 3 minutes a game

it's actually about twice that, if you only account for games that kenrich williams played. fatigue can be an issue playing small and fast. hopefully we don't have to do it too long. isaiah hartenstein should be back before the end of the month. if he's not, and jaylin williams is not, it's probably prudent to investigate a big man acquisition.

it is another thing to be forced to go small for a month, or more, because of terrible roster construction and lack of big men on the roster.

the thunder have three legit centers on the roster plus a few guys who have played power forward a lot in their careers in well performing lineups. this fantasy that they didn't roster enough big men is insane.

how many bigs do the cavs have? allen, mobley and tristan thompson. are they guilty of "terrible roster construction"? how about 8-2 phoenix? nurkic, plumlee and... bol bol? kevin durant?

like i said, get a grip dude.

[bbms]

added a 30mm apy 7'0" 250lbs guy on top of a 1st seed roster. this thinking line is just bizarre

oh, well, they could've invested an extra on a 4th big. but don't forget that a real team is different from a manager game. heck, even manager games you'll get issues and complaints from the 3rd guy that doesn't see meaningful playing time let alone the 4th.

i think with injuries they can make a small acquisition, I'd go for steven adams if available since he's well adapted to the city and culture.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

A player like Larry Nance Jr could help us....and he is in his last year of his contract.

[Kizz Fastfists]

added a 30mm apy 7'0" 250lbs guy on top of a 1st seed roster. this thinking line is just bizarre

What's even more bizarre is the same poster was complaining about the same problems with the roster in the off-season. So it's almost like they knew there was going to be an issue. It's just weird. This person is always finding some reason to complain about Presti so he probably just got lucky in being right again. He's just some lucky idiot who doesn't actually know anything he just picks the right thing to complain about every time and it plays out like they say it will from just pure luck.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Please Kizz. A lot of franchises would have a problem if 3 centers would be injured.

[slick_watts]

added a 30mm apy 7'0" 250lbs guy on top of a 1st seed roster. this thinking line is just bizarre

What's even more bizarre is the same poster was complaining about the same problems with the roster in the off-season. So it's almost like they knew there was going to be an issue. It's just weird. This person is always finding some reason to complain about Presti so he probably just got lucky in being right again. He's just some lucky idiot who doesn't actually know anything he just picks the right thing to complain about every time and it plays out like they say it will from just pure luck.

here's what that poster said on june 28:



sam presti signed isaiah hartenstein one week later.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Please Kizz. A lot of franchises would have a problem if 3 centers would be injured.

They didn't have three centers on the roster at any point. They had ONE legitimate center. Chet is not a center. He is a PF. This is the fundamental problem with everything Presti is trying to do. He is trying to play too many players out of position. This works in the regular season, but when you run into a real team in the playoffs you get sent home. JDub is a SF and is played out of position at PF.

OKC could come out of the West as the #1 seed again, but they are not built to win a championship. Make the playoffs and lose in the 2nd round. YIPPIE!!!!! A typical Presti team. Sustainable mediocrity. Make the playoffs every year and then get sent home early and claim a successful season with more work to do, but then never do the needed work.

[slick_watts]

thunder with chet holmgren (not a center) on the court against the dallas mavericks in the playoffs: +4.41 points per 100 possessions

thunder without chet holmgren (not a center) on the court against the dallas mavericks in the playoffs: -15.22 points per 100 possessions

what happened after? sam presti signed probably the best backup center in the nba.

such a silly thing to whine about. predicting that the thunder won't win a championship with this roster and feeling validated when they do not is also lame and sad. obviously, even fully healthy, the field has better odds than the thunder of winning a championship.

[Devilanche]

Whoever we could sign probably would have signed with the knowledge that they are mostly going to sit on the bench unless worst case scenario. And worst case scenario did happen.
Either we ride it out and one of IH/Jaylin come back soonish or we sign a random free agent (biyombo) or trade for a smallish salary big such as Duop Reath.

[Xatticus]

Whoever we could sign probably would have signed with the knowledge that they are mostly going to sit on the bench unless worst case scenario. And worst case scenario did happen.
Either we ride it out and one of IH/Jaylin come back soonish or we sign a random free agent (biyombo) or trade for a smallish salary big such as Duop Reath.

Sarr is out there. I don’t think we have any urgency to add a big for the sake of size. Forcing one into our lineup would mean we are taking a much better player off the floor.

[slick_watts]

Whoever we could sign probably would have signed with the knowledge that they are mostly going to sit on the bench unless worst case scenario. And worst case scenario did happen.
Either we ride it out and one of IH/Jaylin come back soonish or we sign a random free agent (biyombo) or trade for a smallish salary big such as Duop Reath.

Sarr is out there. I don’t think we have any urgency to add a big for the sake of size. Forcing one into our lineup would mean we are taking a much better player off the floor.

sarr tore his achilles during the g-league playoffs and is still recovering afaik. he'd probably be rostered if not for that.

[daoneandonly]

Any interest in Maxi Kleber? I know he's overpaid and lost a step, but could help and OKC is swimming in SG/wings