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Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#1 » by QMemphis » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:53 am

Simple one, Grizz go after a playoff vet on a two year deal. Getting a guy who was a Rodman to a recent title is an interesting direction.
Bucks get immediate help and some cap flexibility next year.

Grizz Trade: Marcus Smart, Luke Kennard and 25 1st
Bucks Trade: Khris Middleton

Grizz have the depth to allow Khris to heal up
Ja/Des/Khris/JJJ/Edey
SPJ/Vince/Wells/GG/Santi/BC

Bucks get defense and shooting
Dame/Smart/Trent/Giannis/Brook
Delon/Luke/AJ/Prince/Portis
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#2 » by balsamic_ducks » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:59 am

Middleton has zero value until he can show he’s healthy
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Post#3 » by esvl » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:15 am

I see the rationale and find the idea worth discussing. I just have a felling that we are going to miss gigantic Smart’s balls in PO bloody battles more than to enjoy Middleton’s sharp shooting. That’s the biggest concern on my end.
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Post#4 » by QMemphis » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:26 am

esvl wrote:I see the rationale and find the idea worth discussing. I just have a felling that we are going to miss gigantic Smart’s balls in PO bloody battles more than to enjoy Middleton’s sharp shooting. That’s the biggest concern on my end.


Wells has turned into something I didn’t think we would see again after Vince emergence last year. A dude that truly does all the little things that can play real ball on a minimum contract. I honestly would rather see Wells and Vince play over Smart and Luke so the decision is an easy one for me. Khris expiring as Jaren gets his raise also makes deal feasible from a financial standpoint.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#5 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:48 am

If your GM trades for Middleton he needs to be fired on the spot.

This dude hasn't been healthy in years.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#6 » by QMemphis » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:00 am

JustBuzzin wrote:If your GM trades for Middleton he needs to be fired on the spot.

This dude hasn't been healthy in years.


I explained why I believe it to be win-win for both teams. I am accounting for Khris missing games until post All Star break. Grizz have the depth to cover him. I would love to see closing playoff lineups of Ja/Des/Vince/Khris/Jaren.

Ultimately I think we make a move for Cam Johnson or DFS, I would like both but understand the cap flexibility may not deem it the right move.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#7 » by esvl » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:40 pm

QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:I see the rationale and find the idea worth discussing. I just have a felling that we are going to miss gigantic Smart’s balls in PO bloody battles more than to enjoy Middleton’s sharp shooting. That’s the biggest concern on my end.


Wells has turned into something I didn’t think we would see again after Vince emergence last year. A dude that truly does all the little things that can play real ball on a minimum contract. I honestly would rather see Wells and Vince play over Smart and Luke so the decision is an easy one for me. Khris expiring as Jaren gets his raise also makes deal feasible from a financial standpoint.


I totally appreciate the rationale and share your excitement about Wells. I am just not sure I want the kid to be thrown under the bus in PO games. I am maybe too much in love with Smart’s balls, but I remember that our Big 4 was built on the Grindfather’s balls. Our offence is already elite, with or without Middleton, while defence would certainly downgrade with Smart’s departure.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#8 » by QMemphis » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:26 pm

esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:I see the rationale and find the idea worth discussing. I just have a felling that we are going to miss gigantic Smart’s balls in PO bloody battles more than to enjoy Middleton’s sharp shooting. That’s the biggest concern on my end.


Wells has turned into something I didn’t think we would see again after Vince emergence last year. A dude that truly does all the little things that can play real ball on a minimum contract. I honestly would rather see Wells and Vince play over Smart and Luke so the decision is an easy one for me. Khris expiring as Jaren gets his raise also makes deal feasible from a financial standpoint.


I totally appreciate the rationale and share your excitement about Wells. I am just not sure I want the kid to be thrown under the bus in PO games. I am maybe too much in love with Smart’s balls, but I remember that our Big 4 was built on the Grindfather’s balls. Our offence is already elite, with or without Middleton, while defence would certainly downgrade with Smart’s departure.


We are fortunate to be able to wait and see but if fully healthy I’m not sure who’s minted get cut. What’s your healthy rotation?
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#9 » by JonHeist » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:39 pm

some of our fans would love this, but I think smart is washed and kennard is redundant for our roster

pass

the last time khris played (on bum ankles), he was great

gotta roll the dice on the elective ankle surgery not actually making him worse

It's nice to see a bucks-related proposal that isn't completely delusional for once tho
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#10 » by gswhoops » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:45 pm

Middleton has missed 90 games in the last 2+ seasons. He's currently out with no clear timeline on when he's going to return.

I don't see any team giving any kind of value for him until he comes back and stays healthy for a stretch.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#11 » by JayMKE » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:49 pm

Interesting concept. Not sure how I feel about Smart in 24-25 season and going forward tho, he's not exactly the paradigm of health either and he's also over 30. I'd be curious what other teams would be offering.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#12 » by esvl » Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:13 pm

QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
Wells has turned into something I didn’t think we would see again after Vince emergence last year. A dude that truly does all the little things that can play real ball on a minimum contract. I honestly would rather see Wells and Vince play over Smart and Luke so the decision is an easy one for me. Khris expiring as Jaren gets his raise also makes deal feasible from a financial standpoint.


I totally appreciate the rationale and share your excitement about Wells. I am just not sure I want the kid to be thrown under the bus in PO games. I am maybe too much in love with Smart’s balls, but I remember that our Big 4 was built on the Grindfather’s balls. Our offence is already elite, with or without Middleton, while defence would certainly downgrade with Smart’s departure.


We are fortunate to be able to wait and see but if fully healthy I’m not sure who’s minted get cut. What’s your healthy rotation?


Ja - Bane - JJJ & 13 role players (the remaining roster + Spencer)
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#13 » by QMemphis » Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:00 am

esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
I totally appreciate the rationale and share your excitement about Wells. I am just not sure I want the kid to be thrown under the bus in PO games. I am maybe too much in love with Smart’s balls, but I remember that our Big 4 was built on the Grindfather’s balls. Our offence is already elite, with or without Middleton, while defence would certainly downgrade with Smart’s departure.


We are fortunate to be able to wait and see but if fully healthy I’m not sure who’s minted get cut. What’s your healthy rotation?


Ja - Bane - JJJ & 13 role players (the remaining roster + Spencer)


That’s how I view the roster as well but you didn’t necessarily answer the question. If there is an opportunity to get a proven playoff number 2 with Khris off ball skills I think it would be worth the swing and risk. But certainly understand why either side would be hesitant.
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Post#14 » by esvl » Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:30 am

QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
We are fortunate to be able to wait and see but if fully healthy I’m not sure who’s minted get cut. What’s your healthy rotation?


Ja - Bane - JJJ & 13 role players (the remaining roster + Spencer)


That’s how I view the roster as well but you didn’t necessarily answer the question. If there is an opportunity to get a proven playoff number 2 with Khris off ball skills I think it would be worth the swing and risk. But certainly understand why either side would be hesitant.


Middleton, if healthy, does not fill the gap, he is rather a nice to have additional weapon.
While Smart’s departure would likely create a few holes in terms of clutch, defence, PO impact, toughness, and leadership. Those holes are critically important in PO and might cost us the title - that’s what I am concerned about.
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Post#15 » by QMemphis » Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:42 am

esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
Ja - Bane - JJJ & 13 role players (the remaining roster + Spencer)


That’s how I view the roster as well but you didn’t necessarily answer the question. If there is an opportunity to get a proven playoff number 2 with Khris off ball skills I think it would be worth the swing and risk. But certainly understand why either side would be hesitant.


Middleton, if healthy, does not fill the gap, he is rather a nice to have additional weapon.
While Smart’s departure would likely create a few holes in terms of clutch, defence, PO impact, toughness, and leadership. Those holes are critically important in PO and might cost us the title - that’s what I am concerned about.


My concern is if Smart does not shoot better he will be on the court when we have better options in Vince and now Wells.
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Post#16 » by esvl » Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:00 am

QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
That’s how I view the roster as well but you didn’t necessarily answer the question. If there is an opportunity to get a proven playoff number 2 with Khris off ball skills I think it would be worth the swing and risk. But certainly understand why either side would be hesitant.


Middleton, if healthy, does not fill the gap, he is rather a nice to have additional weapon.
While Smart’s departure would likely create a few holes in terms of clutch, defence, PO impact, toughness, and leadership. Those holes are critically important in PO and might cost us the title - that’s what I am concerned about.


My concern is if Smart does not shoot better he will be on the court when we have better options in Vince and now Wells.


We’ll need Smart in PO against Durant, Doncic or Lebron. Also, I believe he is a mentor and personal coach of both Vince and Wells. Our offence would remain elite without Middleton.
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Re: Middleton to Grizzlies 

Post#17 » by QMemphis » Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:44 am

esvl wrote:
QMemphis wrote:
esvl wrote:
Middleton, if healthy, does not fill the gap, he is rather a nice to have additional weapon.
While Smart’s departure would likely create a few holes in terms of clutch, defence, PO impact, toughness, and leadership. Those holes are critically important in PO and might cost us the title - that’s what I am concerned about.


My concern is if Smart does not shoot better he will be on the court when we have better options in Vince and now Wells.




We’ll need Smart in PO against Durant, Doncic or Lebron. Also, I believe he is a mentor and personal coach of both Vince and Wells. Our offence would remain elite without Middleton.



Fair point

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