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[humanrefutation]

The Bucks play infinitely harder when Dame is out. They're 8 points better when he's off the floor this year. He's a bad fit, and he can't make shots when he's forced t to defend.

Heat in: Dame
Heat out: Butler, 1st
Rockets in: Butler, Livingston, Smith
Rockets out: Eason, Brooks, Landale, Jeff Green, 2- 1sts
Nets in: Brooks, Landale, Green, 3- 1sts
Nets out: Schroder, Cam Johnson
Bucks out: Dame, Livingston, Smith
Bucks in: Eason, Schroder, Johnson

How good is Eason? He's more Victories Over Replacementthan Dame this year despite playing 23 mpg. Serious do all winning player. He'd be the Pippen Giannis has always need. Schroder and Johnson add needed shot making.

Rockets and Nets stay under the tax. Bucks get under the 2nd apron. Nets vets playing too well for their tank dreams.

Are you Sean Marks?

[-Jragon-]

well, obviously, i wasn't saying that he should not play in the regular season at all. but give him 40 games to gel and then roll into the playoffs. i think the people who are demanding answers about Khris or are demanding that he plays asap need to be honest with themselves about why they feel that way. I suspect that it's because you want to feel good about this team again the quickest way possible. I saw what we were last year with the four horsemen healthy. I'm not losing sight of that.

I see your point there. For me it's not ASAP.. but if he plays 40 games and he's jogging around barely moving for half of them like last regular season the gelling won't happen.. I think we need at least 35 full speed Mids games even if some are minutes restrictions... play fast for your 20 min then 22 then 24 or whatever.. sprint, hustle and be where you're supposed to be so that your team gets used to how you really play before the playoffs.

I kind of agree that rushing him back could be counter productive, even if it IS frustrating.

The only important thing that needs to be learned is that Dame needs to learn his role as #2. He's here as support for Giannis. If Giannis has the ball, he needs to screen. He needs to defend someone. He needs to spend all his time with his trainer working on his catch and shoot game. He needs to grow a heart even a quarter the size of the one Giannis has.

Bad take STJ.

Dame passes, passes, passes, passes... that's when yall eat. He will shoot now and then.. when he makes 1 let him get shots the next few possessions.. if he heats up, blink and we'll be up 20... then everyone eats and whenever you need Dame he'll still be ON.. that's how this breed of human works.

Unfortunately our players never met this kind of dude and after he makes 1 he won't see a shot for the next 6 possessions because all them dummies are seeing if they are hot.. and thereby Dame never becomes Dame time Dame. Dame has that 70 point game ceiling so he is the most important guy to force feed shots after he makes 1 or 2.

Trying to force him into a microwave type where he's expected to be on fire while shooting 1x every 8 possessions is an exercise in idiocracy because he's already who he is and it's not bad... we have to adjust to Him and learn how to get him scorching. It's not necessarily getting him 30 shots.. it's the timing that he gets them in bunches

[Fotis St]

Whenever I think that Horst has to go, I read these trade suggestions and realize how much worse it could be if one of the posters was in charge. Trading BP for various bags of donuts is laughable. Paul Reed plus draft choices? Some unnamed defender?

Yes, get rid of the Bucks second best rebounder and third best scorer and one of their more efficient scorers (yes, he is below his usual efficiency, although he is shooting 46% overall despite bad 3 point shooting).

If I had to list ten reasons the Bucks are doing poorly, BP wouldn't be sniffing that list. You all are welcome to join me Friday night in Oshkosh and I will do an in-service training while we watch the Herd.

They don't understand brother.
They got tunnel vision, can't see the whole picture.
They choose a scapegoat and they want him gone.
When scapegoat is gone and things still look bad, they choose another scapegoat and problems live forever.

It seems you are the only one seeing the bigger picture.

Prez says I am funny and stupid cause we won the Pistons without Portis. The Pistons man, the Pistons, cause the Pistons went 0/2 on the game ending FTs and Giannis bombed 60 on them.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks play infinitely harder when Dame is out. They're 8 points better when he's off the floor this year. He's a bad fit, and he can't make shots when he's forced t to defend.

Heat in: Dame
Heat out: Butler, 1st
Rockets in: Butler, Livingston, Smith
Rockets out: Eason, Brooks, Landale, Jeff Green, 2- 1sts
Nets in: Brooks, Landale, Green, 3- 1sts
Nets out: Schroder, Cam Johnson
Bucks out: Dame, Livingston, Smith
Bucks in: Eason, Schroder, Johnson

How good is Eason? He's more Victories Over Replacementthan Dame this year despite playing 23 mpg. Serious do all winning player. He'd be the Pippen Giannis has always need. Schroder and Johnson add needed shot making.

Rockets and Nets stay under the tax. Bucks get under the 2nd apron. Nets vets playing too well for their tank dreams.

Are you Sean Marks?

Part of the Nets compensation is for taking on Dillon Brooks hideous contract.

[ShootingtheJ]

I see your point there. For me it's not ASAP.. but if he plays 40 games and he's jogging around barely moving for half of them like last regular season the gelling won't happen.. I think we need at least 35 full speed Mids games even if some are minutes restrictions... play fast for your 20 min then 22 then 24 or whatever.. sprint, hustle and be where you're supposed to be so that your team gets used to how you really play before the playoffs.

I kind of agree that rushing him back could be counter productive, even if it IS frustrating.

The only important thing that needs to be learned is that Dame needs to learn his role as #2. He's here as support for Giannis. If Giannis has the ball, he needs to screen. He needs to defend someone. He needs to spend all his time with his trainer working on his catch and shoot game. He needs to grow a heart even a quarter the size of the one Giannis has.

Bad take STJ.

Dame passes, passes, passes, passes... that's when yall eat. He will shoot now and then.. when he makes 1 let him get shots the next few possessions.. if he heats up, blink and we'll be up 20... then everyone eats and whenever you need Dame he'll still be ON.. that's how this breed of human works.

Unfortunately our players never met this kind of dude and after he makes 1 he won't see a shot for the next 6 possessions because all them dummies are seeing if they are hot.. and thereby Dame never becomes Dame time Dame. Dame has that 70 point game ceiling so he is the most important guy to force feed shots after he makes 1 or 2.

Trying to force him into a microwave type where he's expected to be on fire while shooting 1x every 8 possessions is an exercise in idiocracy because he's already who he is and it's not bad... we have to adjust to Him and learn how to get him scorching. It's not necessarily getting him 30 shots.. it's the timing that he gets them in bunches

Dame is among NBA leaders in both touches and time of possession, yet is averaging just 6.6 apg while shooting under 35% from 3, all while limiting Giannis touches.

Dame isn't worth the bother.

[Baddy Chuck]

Dame is among NBA leaders in both touches and time of possession, yet is averaging just 6.6 apg while shooting under 35% from 3, all while limiting Giannis touches.

Dame isn't worth the bother.

He's 48th in the NBA in frontcourt touches, 10th in potential assists, 13th in adjusted assists, hell he's 13th in just apg at 6.6, 11th in scoring at an efficiency level at or better than basically every non big ahead of him and better than any point guard besides Steph and Kyrie, his 44% frequency pick and roll ends up at 1.12 PPP which is absurdly good, the Bucks are 10 points better offensively with him on the court. The arguments are there to be had for Dame not working with this team, some of those are heavy reach talking points that honestly don't show any of the reasons why you would actually move him.

[-Jragon-]

Whispers we could grab D. Brooks... is he the closest thing to prime PJ? That could be money..

[soxperry]

Dame is among NBA leaders in both touches and time of possession, yet is averaging just 6.6 apg while shooting under 35% from 3, all while limiting Giannis touches.

Dame isn't worth the bother.

He's 48th in the NBA in frontcourt touches, 10th in potential assists, 13th in adjusted assists, hell he's 13th in just apg at 6.6, 11th in scoring at an efficiency level at or better than basically every non big ahead of him and better than any point guard besides Steph and Kyrie, his 44% frequency pick and roll ends up at 1.12 PPP which is absurdly good, the Bucks are 10 points better offensively with him on the court. The arguments are there to be had for Dame not working with this team, some of those are heavy reach talking points that honestly don't show any of the reasons why you would actually move him.

I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

[-Jragon-]

Dame is among NBA leaders in both touches and time of possession, yet is averaging just 6.6 apg while shooting under 35% from 3, all while limiting Giannis touches.

Dame isn't worth the bother.

He's 48th in the NBA in frontcourt touches, 10th in potential assists, 13th in adjusted assists, hell he's 13th in just apg at 6.6, 11th in scoring at an efficiency level at or better than basically every non big ahead of him and better than any point guard besides Steph and Kyrie, his 44% frequency pick and roll ends up at 1.12 PPP which is absurdly good, the Bucks are 10 points better offensively with him on the court. The arguments are there to be had for Dame not working with this team, some of those are heavy reach talking points that honestly don't show any of the reasons why you would actually move him.

I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

True, you can still satisfy it though. When one hits a couple shots, keep going back to him for a stretch of possessions to get that "on fire" feeling

[ShootingtheJ]

He's 48th in the NBA in frontcourt touches, 10th in potential assists, 13th in adjusted assists, hell he's 13th in just apg at 6.6, 11th in scoring at an efficiency level at or better than basically every non big ahead of him and better than any point guard besides Steph and Kyrie, his 44% frequency pick and roll ends up at 1.12 PPP which is absurdly good, the Bucks are 10 points better offensively with him on the court. The arguments are there to be had for Dame not working with this team, some of those are heavy reach talking points that honestly don't show any of the reasons why you would actually move him.

I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

True, you can still satisfy it though. When one hits a couple shots, keep going back to him for a stretch of possessions to get that "on fire" feeling

Problem is, this only addresses the offense. Championship teams also play defense, which is impossible with Dame.

Move Dame to Miami, where he can hide in a lazy zone, and get buckets without Championship expectations.

[-Jragon-]

I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

True, you can still satisfy it though. When one hits a couple shots, keep going back to him for a stretch of possessions to get that "on fire" feeling

Problem is, this only addresses the offense. Championship teams also play defense, which is impossible with Dame.

Move Dame to Miami, where he can hide in a lazy zone, and get buckets without Championship expectations.

Biggest crime on D is being slow with slow feet (ahem)... Dame with some disruptive defenders around him is fine. Now if someone is not a disruptive defender (ahem) then that should be a good person to trade.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

Personally don't see that at all. We have basically two of the top 10 scorers in the league right now, they're shouldering enough weight. The biggest problem is their games just don't necessarily mesh. Dame isn't some stand around shooter while Giannis isn't the master roll man we want them to be. Dame unquestionably opens up the floor for Giannis to get his ISO stuff and Giannis unquestionably opens the floor for Dames pick and roll stuff but they really don't work together very well, just off of one another. We wanted Nash and Amare but we just are never going to get that.

[-Jragon-]

The Bucks play infinitely harder when Dame is out. They're 8 points better when he's off the floor this year. He's a bad fit, and he can't make shots when he's forced t to defend.

Heat in: Dame
Heat out: Butler, 1st
Rockets in: Butler, Livingston, Smith
Rockets out: Eason, Brooks, Landale, Jeff Green, 2- 1sts
Nets in: Brooks, Landale, Green, 3- 1sts
Nets out: Schroder, Cam Johnson
Bucks out: Dame, Livingston, Smith
Bucks in: Eason, Schroder, Johnson

How good is Eason? He's more Victories Over Replacementthan Dame this year despite playing 23 mpg. Serious do all winning player. He'd be the Pippen Giannis has always need. Schroder and Johnson add needed shot making.

Rockets and Nets stay under the tax. Bucks get under the 2nd apron. Nets vets playing too well for their tank dreams.

Are you Sean Marks?

Part of the Nets compensation is for taking on Dillon Brooks hideous contract.

Does Midds for Eason/Brooks work in the trade checker? Keep all our future HOF players please.

[Baddy Chuck]

We played a backcourt of Dame Lillard and Malik Beasley 1800 minutes last season with a defensive rating of 110. Is it an uphill battle to hide Dame there? Yeah. Can it be done? We did it.

[raferfenix]

Whispers we could grab D. Brooks... is he the closest thing to prime PJ? That could be money..

Inside info you heard (with all caveats applied) or this from the BR trade idea we think?

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Dillon Brooks, Tari Eason

Houston Rockets Receive: Khris Middleton, 2031 first-round pick (top-one protection; turns into 2031 second-rounder if not conveyed)

https://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/10143057-1-trade-every-nba-team-should-propose-right-now

[Bernman]

Whispers we could grab D. Brooks... is he the closest thing to prime PJ? That could be money..

Inside info you heard (with all caveats applied) or this from the BR trade idea we think?

Milwaukee Bucks Receive: Dillon Brooks, Tari Eason

Houston Rockets Receive: Khris Middleton, 2031 first-round pick (top-one protection; turns into 2031 second-rounder if not conveyed)

https://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/10143057-1-trade-every-nba-team-should-propose-right-now

It's a terrible move - selling low & giving up yet another future 1st. So it's plausible they do it.

[fansinceforever]

I'm comfortable moving on from Dame. If this team had active defensive bodies at most positions who could actually hit a jumper off of a catch and shoot and, dare I say, pump and go and do literally anything inside the 3 pt arc, we'd be better off.

Right now, we're essentially banking on being a top 3 offense. That's the only way this group has a shot at doing anything worth note.

If Dame nets 3 quality, active bodies with some skill and one of them is a PG, why not pull the trigger?

[PG Graveyard]

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I think the problem is that Giannis is at his best when he can just focus on Giannis and vice versa for Dame. They are both used to shouldering a humongous load.

True, you can still satisfy it though. When one hits a couple shots, keep going back to him for a stretch of possessions to get that "on fire" feeling

Problem is, this only addresses the offense. Championship teams also play defense, which is impossible with Dame.

Move Dame to Miami, where he can hide in a lazy zone, and get buckets without Championship expectations.

Are we sure Miami wants him?

[Bernman]

If you're going to make a trade, Dame was always the obvious guy because of his age, mismatch w/ Giannis, & reality we could actually get a core player back for him, while becoming younger to align w/ Giannis + improve court coverage.

But we need a core player. These depth suggestions are daft. We should get that for Bobby. And it's not realistic we win in the playoffs off 2 players w/ unreliable health in Giannis + Khris. Then, in the near future, when Khris is done, we are.

[fansinceforever]

We played a backcourt of Dame Lillard and Malik Beasley 1800 minutes last season with a defensive rating of 110. Is it an uphill battle to hide Dame there? Yeah. Can it be done? We did it.

Yeah, but with a better version of Brook and a slightly more defensively active version of Giannis.

As a team we were a 116 and it's headed in the wrong direction.