Sixers 2024-25 Season Thread Part 1

[WentzerWuver]

Yabu is not a good rebounder and neither is embiid

Drummond is our best rebounder by a mile and a great signing by Morey to bring him back!

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[Negrodamus]

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It's always us, man

My guess? Another bicycle related accident.

[Iscull]

Yabu is not a good rebounder and neither is embiid

Against Mobley and Allen, probably accurate. Think he does a decent enough job

[76ciology]

When the Big 3 is healthy, it would be a concern if the offense struggles to the point where McCain needs to start. Ideally, McCain and Yabu could come off the bench to add a spark on offense.

To close out games, we could use either Caleb and Oubre together or bring in McCain, Yabu or both McCain and Yabu, depending on the situation and who’s performing well. Nurse excels at making in game adjustments, so he can optimize these rotations effectively.

[stormi]

I think McCain - Maxey is an incredibly potent backcourt.

McCain - Maxey - PG - __ - Embiid

All of those guys can get their own bucket. We need a very strong rebounder, defender, facilitator at that 4 position. Not a lot of guys that check those boxes.

Dario? Kleber? I feel like we can grow Yabu into a better version?

Just looking at players with favorable contracts, Nance is another guy that's making ~10m

Stretch 4 / SB 5 type of player, hyper-athletic, some secondary rim protection and a willing spacer. Also a lob threat.

Oubre makes about 8 million, same with KJ the balloon payment plan aside. Lowry/Reggie/EG are another 6 million in moveable money.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

You can sort by 24-25 money and look at the names of guys making ~16 million and below which is probably about as much as we can spend without moving a core player.

Coby White is a steal at that money and more of a traditional point guard, but there's a lot of overlap with Maxey and McCain in terms of strengths and weaknesses.

Ayo Dosunmu is only making 7 million, but he's Ayo Dosunmu. Schröder is on an expiring. Banton near the bottom making peanuts, he's a big guard that can defend - also maybe a Jalen McDaniels / George Hill 2.0 type move possible.

I've seen Grant Williams' name thrown around here a little bit, some of our fans have expressed weariness wrt expunging more future draft capital, our own picks and those lottery ticket Clippers unprotected. KJ, Reggie Jackson & Eric Gordon matches money with Grant Williams - i'm not sure it would take too much more on top to sweeten the deal. Maybe it would.

Gives us a "4" albeit an undersized one, dirty work guy, spaces the floor.

Maxey/McCain
Martin/Oubre
PG
Williams/Yabusele
Embiid/Drummond

As a playoff nine man rotation is alright...

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Very troubling graphic.

[zaz102]

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Very troubling graphic.

Couldn't you do this for every player?

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Very troubling graphic.

Couldn't you do this for every player?

Not every player is in a knee brace.

[zaz102]

Very troubling graphic.

Couldn't you do this for every player?

Not every player is in a knee brace.

Sure, but that's the troubling part not the trend.

The trend shows that even though Embiid hasn't reached the peak that Shaq did, he has been maintaining he peak longer and is still at his peak. Also, all players will decline similarly to this graph.

My point is the trend is dumb and doesn't show anything to worry about, not that there isn't reason to be concerned due to Embiid's health/age.

[Stanford]

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Very troubling graphic.

Lol not at all. Means nothing.

[Negrodamus]

You mean to tell me right here and now that Embiid wasn't going to be an MVP forever? WTF?

[Stanford]

He was the MVP last year before he got injured!

[Negrodamus]

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What is going on with this starting lineup? Bane, Smart, Kennard, LaRavia all on the bench while the Griz start a second round rookie (who did well offensively), and a G-League player in Scotty Pippen?

[sixers4real]

I’m starting to legit worry about this team and this season and Embiid era

[WentzerWuver]

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What is going on with this starting lineup? Bane, Smart, Kennard, LaRavia all on the bench while the Griz start a second round rookie (who did well offensively), and a G-League player in Scotty Pippen?

Pippin Jr is star in the making. I would trade one of our 1st round picks for him right now. Lakers still kicking themselves for letting him walked while keeping bum JHS. I guess Pelinka is too ashamed he blew it. His defense alone is already elite like but then again, I follow other players too instead of our own only.

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If you can’t see the full tweet, it says “ Assuming Maxey and McCain ends up being the starting backcourt, Herb Jones is the absolute perfect trade target. I have no idea if NOP would make him available (there was one rumor last year that he was being shopped at one point) but I would give up 2 firsts to get him.”

A lot of the potential trade targets I see mentioned, probably aren’t actually available.

[WentzerWuver]

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If you can’t see the full tweet, it says “ Assuming Maxey and McCain ends up being the starting backcourt, Herb Jones is the absolute perfect trade target. I have no idea if NOP would make him available (there was one rumor last year that he was being shopped at one point) but I would give up 2 firsts to get him.”

A lot of the potential trade targets I see mentioned, probably aren’t actually available.

I would too as those picks are near worthless and I highly doubt NO would even consider trading him. One of the smartest defensive players in the league!

https://youtube.com/shorts/K-FiCJqrL7A?si=2l2LkWbusrJNioo_

Pels looking to move Ingram by the deadline so maybe PG for him plus a 1st round pick swap?

https://youtube.com/shorts/6C1yjGF1hE4?si=qn5O2uHp_01oLmON


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[Black Mage]

We sit at 2-10 and the best refrain from the team is they are ok with losing games as long as they make the play-in and then take things from there. But what exactly does that mean based on our current start?

We're 8 games away from the 1st quarter mark for the season. Let's say it takes Joel another 4-5 games to knock off the rust and get in shape. Here's their opponents:

Heat - Likely a loss
Griz - Loss
Nets - Win
Clippers - Toss up
Rockets - Loss
Pistons - Win
Hornets - Win
Magic - Loss

That puts the team at 5-15. Now factor in 14 more back to backs that Joel and possibly even PG miss together. Now we're talking a 5-29 record. We haven't even considered the occasional gastric games that Joel tends to miss or any soft tissue injuries that could befall the team.

This leaves us with 48 games left. The Hawks last year got in with a 36 win team. So if we end up 5-29; we need to go 31-17 in the final 48 games. Now let's look at who we played, it's been primarily the creampuffs of the league. We haven't faced the Celtics or any of the top 3 Western teams so far. If we split with the West's top 3 and take 1 against the Celtics that's 6 of the 17 losses we can afford. I think by this point you're seeing my point.

The bottom line; if this teams finds itself 5-15 after 20 games it's going to take a historical level run to even consider making it in as a 10 seed. As much as Morey isn't the type to give up on a season, if the team is sitting at 5-15 serious talks should be held about shutting Joel down and tanking the season to keep their protected pick.

Morey should not be fired, if Joel comes to camp healthy/in shape we're probably an 8-12 or 10-10 team at worst and we're having different conversations. Plus, he nailed the Maxey and McCain picks and I wouldn't want to go into such a critical draft selection without a competent GM since we all saw what happened the last time we decided to "wing it" in a draft (Mikal).

5-15, for me if we hit that marker it's time to cut our losses, tank and even consider moving PG13 if a team (Dubs maybe) decide they want to go all in on a playoff run. Joel is probably going to be here for the long haul; so use the tank to stock another top elite cost controlled prospect and the PG13 trade to either get a series of roleplayer pieces and assets or an expiring and assets.

I hate saying all of this; but math is math and right now we're bordering on the kind of math that requires a miracle for us.

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If you can’t see the full tweet, it says “ Assuming Maxey and McCain ends up being the starting backcourt, Herb Jones is the absolute perfect trade target. I have no idea if NOP would make him available (there was one rumor last year that he was being shopped at one point) but I would give up 2 firsts to get him.”

A lot of the potential trade targets I see mentioned, probably aren’t actually available.

I would too as those picks are near worthless and I highly doubt NO would even consider trading him. One of the smartest defensive players in the league!

https://youtube.com/shorts/K-FiCJqrL7A?si=2l2LkWbusrJNioo_

Pels looking to move Ingram by the deadline so maybe PG for him plus a 1st round pick swap.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6C1yjGF1hE4?si=qn5O2uHp_01oLmON


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I would be careful trading picks beyond 2027. When Embiid and George are falling apart, I would like to have some picks to rebuild. I don’t see any realistic acquisition making much of a difference. This team’s hopes rest on Embiid and George in the playoffs. If they don’t come through, then any addition won’t matter.

We are capped out for years and don’t have our own firsts in 2025 and 2027. However, we do have 4 firsts over the next four years. Two in 2026 and two in 2028. The clippers and OKC picks may get traded, but I don’t want Morey leaving us with a crippled roster and no picks for a Hail Mary overpay. None of these additions will matter if Embiid and George are hurt come playoff time.