Lakers-Nets

[Scoot McGroot]

Maybe DFS+CamJ is a better target.


Lakers get CamJ, DFS

Nets get DLo, Rui, Christie, LAL29FRP(unprotected)

I wouldn’t pitch Christie in trades until midseason. Until he’s put together some solid play for awhile, he’s a bad contract. If LA has faith in him, hey need to hold him until that faith pays off a little bit. Because no one else is going to pay them for it not showing yet. At this point, he’s on a slightly larger contract than Donovan Clingan, but fully gtd and with no team protection if he doesn’t develop.

I’m not writing him off yet, but he’s simply LA’s guy they believe in until he proves more on the court.

Yeah that's fair. His main issue is offense, in particular he doesn't seem ready to slot into a spot up shooter role. He's still trying to show off his 3-level scorer skills, to be bigger than the role Reddick planned. So that's the battle at the moment.

Sure. And he's got some super small things that bode well. A decently high free throw attempt rate. Rebounding and passing from a wing. All on a relatively low usage rate. But he's got to show some defense, and he's got to show some ability to hit some shots to be able to even earn some minutes to be able to prove the rest of his game. And now that he's on a 4/32m contract, that's a much more pressing situation than if he were the 30th overall pick and still on his original rookie contract or whatnot.

If the "2nd round exception" would have existed a year earlier, and he was in the 3rd year of a 3 year deal, LA would be MUCH better off here. LA should have tried harder to use part of their exceptions to sign 2nd round picks to longer deals these last 7-10 years. And they've suffered quite a bit for it.

[zimpy27]

I wouldn’t pitch Christie in trades until midseason. Until he’s put together some solid play for awhile, he’s a bad contract. If LA has faith in him, hey need to hold him until that faith pays off a little bit. Because no one else is going to pay them for it not showing yet. At this point, he’s on a slightly larger contract than Donovan Clingan, but fully gtd and with no team protection if he doesn’t develop.

I’m not writing him off yet, but he’s simply LA’s guy they believe in until he proves more on the court.

Yeah that's fair. His main issue is offense, in particular he doesn't seem ready to slot into a spot up shooter role. He's still trying to show off his 3-level scorer skills, to be bigger than the role Reddick planned. So that's the battle at the moment.

Sure. And he's got some super small things that bode well. A decently high free throw attempt rate. Rebounding and passing from a wing. All on a relatively low usage rate. But he's got to show some defense, and he's got to show some ability to hit some shots to be able to even earn some minutes to be able to prove the rest of his game. And now that he's on a 4/32m contract, that's a much more pressing situation than if he were the 30th overall pick and still on his original rookie contract or whatnot.

If the "2nd round exception" would have existed a year earlier, and he was in the 3rd year of a 3 year deal, LA would be MUCH better off here. LA should have tried harder to use part of their exceptions to sign 2nd round picks to longer deals these last 7-10 years. And they've suffered quite a bit for it.

Fairly sure that Pelinka didn't know that you could use MLE portion for longer deals.

Max defense is fine, his intensity is there but his lack of strength is holding back his value next to Reaves. He needs to be able to defend 1-3. Gabe has best him out because of this.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah that's fair. His main issue is offense, in particular he doesn't seem ready to slot into a spot up shooter role. He's still trying to show off his 3-level scorer skills, to be bigger than the role Reddick planned. So that's the battle at the moment.

Sure. And he's got some super small things that bode well. A decently high free throw attempt rate. Rebounding and passing from a wing. All on a relatively low usage rate. But he's got to show some defense, and he's got to show some ability to hit some shots to be able to even earn some minutes to be able to prove the rest of his game. And now that he's on a 4/32m contract, that's a much more pressing situation than if he were the 30th overall pick and still on his original rookie contract or whatnot.

If the "2nd round exception" would have existed a year earlier, and he was in the 3rd year of a 3 year deal, LA would be MUCH better off here. LA should have tried harder to use part of their exceptions to sign 2nd round picks to longer deals these last 7-10 years. And they've suffered quite a bit for it.

Fairly sure that Pelinka didn't know that you could use MLE portion for longer deals.

Highly doubt it since he was an agent who negotiated it for his own guys....

Mostly, he valued signing vets with the MLE/taxpayer exception and didn't carve out the "minimum" from them to sign a 3-4 year deal for development. For LA, signing vets makes sense, as they can usually get some better players with it, but over these last so many years, it's bit them hard with THT, Caruso, Reaves, Christie, etc, all "gumming" up the team building/cap management of the team by either forcing tough salary decisions, or having to get paid early.

[drchaos]

I was kicking around some ideas and I thought this post December 15th trade would help the Nets get younger and might give Dallas and LA pieces they might want.

I think the salaries work but the trade machine won't let me include Klay Thompson yet.

I am not sure who should be throwing in draft picks if anyone.

Let me know what you think?

Nets Get:

D'Angelo Russell PG
Rui Hachimura PF
Austin Reeves SG

Nets Give:

Dennis Schroeder PG
Cam Johnson SF
Dorian Finney-Smith PF

Why for Nets?

The team gets younger and still sheds cap in the next two years by swapping out Cam Johnson and getting off of Smith's player option next year. At least one of the young players coming in could be a building block for the future.

Lakers Get:

Dennis Schroeder PG
Klay Thompson SG
PJ Washington PF

Lakers Give:

D'Angelo Russell PG
Rui Hachimura PF
Austin Reeves SG

Why for Lakers?

Lakers are in win now and may see a back court with Schroder and Thompson as the path to a chip.

Mavs Get:

Cam Johnson SF
Dorian Finney-Smith PF

Mavs Give:

Klay Thompson SG
PJ Washington PF

Why for Mavs?

Mavs are stacked in their back court and at center. They improve at the forward position by bringing back DFS who has already build chemistry with Cam Johnson.

Like I said, the trade can not happen until December and I am not sure who should be throwing in draft picks but it would seem that everyone gets what they want.

[JKiddy]

You can't get both Cam J and Schröder from us for a single 1st

Obviously....

[JKiddy]

I was kicking around some ideas and I thought this post December 15th trade would help the Nets get younger and might give Dallas and LA pieces they might want.

I think the salaries work but the trade machine won't let me include Klay Thompson yet.

I am not sure who should be throwing in draft picks if anyone.

Let me know what you think?

Nets Get:

D'Angelo Russell PG
Rui Hachimura PF
Austin Reeves SG

Nets Give:

Dennis Schroeder PG
Cam Johnson SF
Dorian Finney-Smith PF

Why for Nets?

The team gets younger and still sheds cap in the next two years by swapping out Cam Johnson and getting off of Smith's player option next year. At least one of the young players coming in could be a building block for the future.

Lakers Get:

Dennis Schroeder PG
Klay Thompson SG
PJ Washington PF

Lakers Give:

D'Angelo Russell PG
Rui Hachimura PF
Austin Reeves SG

Why for Lakers?

Lakers are in win now and may see a back court with Schroder and Thompson as the path to a chip.

Mavs Get:

Cam Johnson SF
Dorian Finney-Smith PF

Mavs Give:

Klay Thompson SG
PJ Washington PF

Why for Mavs?

Mavs are stacked in their back court and at center. They improve at the forward position by bringing back DFS who has already build chemistry with Cam Johnson.

Like I said, the trade can not happen until December and I am not sure who should be throwing in draft picks but it would seem that everyone gets what they want.

This is the first deal that might make sense for each team involved. I have a weird feeling that BK wants to keep Schroeder. But, I guess if LAL throws in a 1st it would likely make them reevaluate their love for him.

[zimpy27]

Sure. And he's got some super small things that bode well. A decently high free throw attempt rate. Rebounding and passing from a wing. All on a relatively low usage rate. But he's got to show some defense, and he's got to show some ability to hit some shots to be able to even earn some minutes to be able to prove the rest of his game. And now that he's on a 4/32m contract, that's a much more pressing situation than if he were the 30th overall pick and still on his original rookie contract or whatnot.

If the "2nd round exception" would have existed a year earlier, and he was in the 3rd year of a 3 year deal, LA would be MUCH better off here. LA should have tried harder to use part of their exceptions to sign 2nd round picks to longer deals these last 7-10 years. And they've suffered quite a bit for it.

Fairly sure that Pelinka didn't know that you could use MLE portion for longer deals.

Highly doubt it since he was an agent who negotiated it for his own guys....

Mostly, he valued signing vets with the MLE/taxpayer exception and didn't carve out the "minimum" from them to sign a 3-4 year deal for development. For LA, signing vets makes sense, as they can usually get some better players with it, but over these last so many years, it's bit them hard with THT, Caruso, Reaves, Christie, etc, all "gumming" up the team building/cap management of the team by either forcing tough salary decisions, or having to get paid early.

Christie and THT deals were all leaps of faith on their deals. It is a bad strategy overall.

Regardless, do you think DLo+Rui+Vincent with an unprotect FRP is enough for a CamJ+DFS? Or does it need a swap added?