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This is elementary stuff. And we're supposed to trust this guy coaching us to a championship?

Can you imaging if that play was game 7 of the finals?

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This is elementary stuff. And we're supposed to trust this guy coaching us to a championship?

Can you imaging if that play was game 7 of the finals?

I have no idea other than Jalen hitting back to back clutch baskets and just wanting him out there to close the game. In all reality…he should’ve been subbed out.

[Fat Kat]

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[Guano]

just came home after a hard day at the office and watched this. lord have mercy.

Knicks fandom is not a relaxing hobby

ngl at least the made a run. I was ready for a big overreaction in the 3rd quarter

That's the positive about this game. They didnt roll over and fought back.

[stuporman]

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This is elementary stuff. And we're supposed to trust this guy coaching us to a championship?

Can you imaging if that play was game 7 of the finals?

You ask, can someone imagine if it was a game 7 of the finals? Well, that would mean he helped get them to a game 7 of the finals.

The better supposition would be there is no way he can get the Knicks to the finals coaching this way. This is something one can imagine.

[Chanel Bomber]

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

We can agree to disagree.

I'm not overly worried yet. But I think offense could be and should be better.

On our defense, I agree that Thibs isn't showing enough adaptability with his schemes. But I think there is also a personnel issue, which I think you're underselling. To put this "100%" on Thibs is stretching it imo.

Hart and Mikal may provide length on the perimeter but I'd argue that neither is actually a good defender. I think they top out as slightly above average.

If we wanted a difference-maker on defense, we should've gone for Caruso.

We can't have a strong defense with KAT at the 5 and Brunson at the 1 with average defense from the wings. OG is a stud defensively but Mikal and Hart are not providing the support we need to hide our other deficiencies.

I don't need us to be top 10 DEF though I need us not to be more in that range.

I don't need to see KAT in drop coverage all game. Because Thibs is too stubborn to run a more switch base scheme.

Also Caruso defense is great he's also on 31/22/71 splits this year so the point of the mikal acquisition wa to give us scoring while also be a good defender.

I don't think the scheme is doing them any justice.

Thibs like always is too worried about giving up 2's close to the basket instead of wide open 3's...when most teams don't even exploit mismatches in the post outside of a few players.

KAT was a 4 last year so he even has more experience guarding wings from last couple years.

Even the last possession should have been a switch between KAT and Hart...but thibs is just too stubborn to commit to that style of defense.

I think organically and just law of avgs should make us move up slightly OFF

I think we need a major scheme overhaul to be better defensively.

I agree that we need some schematic changes from Thibs and we do need to switch more.

But this starting unit will not be good defensively with KAT at the 5 unless Mikal reverts to his Phoenix days as opposed to his Brooklyn days. He hasn't been an impactful defender for almost two years, and we haven't seen much progress with us since the season started.

At this point, we know KAT at the 5 and Brunson are weak defenders. We know Hart is inconsistent on defense. We know OG is elite. The one question mark is Mikal - and if he doesn't play strong defense on the perimeter for us, the limitations of our personnel will get exposed, no matter the schemes.

It's partly on Thibs but not 100% on Thibs. There are also flaws with the personnel, which he compounds with some of his coaching.

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This shot chart is stupid.
Why do we always have weird fcking players. Just be normal please.

[Guano]

Thats not true at all Mikal leads the team in 3pt FG attempted....he's 40% on corner 3's...he is just abysmal on above the break 3's..so either we need to have brunson or KAT find him more in the corners or he needs to stop shooting so many ATB 3's and take attack more in mid ranges where he has been elite at.

I stand corrected on his attempts. He's only averaging 4 attempts in the last 3 games, which probably warped my perception.

Still, I think the overall volume of 3s attempted and the lack of 3-point accuracy from two of our three wings (Mikal and Hart) is an issue that drags down the offense. Just applying a .400 3P% to Mikal's 6.3 attempts results in approximately 1.8 point difference per game - it's a pretty significant difference, unless my quick math is wrong.

In the whole Eastern Conference, the Knicks have the lowest-volume #1 shot-taker on the team from 3 among all 15 teams. Below even the Pistons and Wizards. So if anything, Mikal leading the team in attempts is an unhealthy sign about our offense.

I think you're too focused on the Knicks in your assessment here. If you zoom out, I think you'll start to notice how much the state of our 3-point shooting is holding back our offense.

We don't have enough outlets from behind the three point line, or we're not using them correctly. It's a bit of a waste of our 5-out lineup if we can't punish teams from behind the arc.

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

[Chanel Bomber]

I stand corrected on his attempts. He's only averaging 4 attempts in the last 3 games, which probably warped my perception.

Still, I think the overall volume of 3s attempted and the lack of 3-point accuracy from two of our three wings (Mikal and Hart) is an issue that drags down the offense. Just applying a .400 3P% to Mikal's 6.3 attempts results in approximately 1.8 point difference per game - it's a pretty significant difference, unless my quick math is wrong.

In the whole Eastern Conference, the Knicks have the lowest-volume #1 shot-taker on the team from 3 among all 15 teams. Below even the Pistons and Wizards. So if anything, Mikal leading the team in attempts is an unhealthy sign about our offense.

I think you're too focused on the Knicks in your assessment here. If you zoom out, I think you'll start to notice how much the state of our 3-point shooting is holding back our offense.

We don't have enough outlets from behind the three point line, or we're not using them correctly. It's a bit of a waste of our 5-out lineup if we can't punish teams from behind the arc.

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

You're both the most reasonable and most unreasonable person on this board, and I admire that. It's a remarkable feat.

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For people that don't know what above the break is, that means non-corner threes. And what that really means is if he can't make top of the key three or wing threes, he cannot be on the ball as much as you'd like in those areas because everyone will just go under or switch if KAT sets a pick for him.

We trade 5 picks for pj tucker with a middy and no shoe collection.

[Guano]

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

You're both the most reasonable and most unreasonable person on this board, and I admire that. It's a remarkable feat.

Unlike mikal I have range.

[mpharris36]

I stand corrected on his attempts. He's only averaging 4 attempts in the last 3 games, which probably warped my perception.

Still, I think the overall volume of 3s attempted and the lack of 3-point accuracy from two of our three wings (Mikal and Hart) is an issue that drags down the offense. Just applying a .400 3P% to Mikal's 6.3 attempts results in approximately 1.8 point difference per game - it's a pretty significant difference, unless my quick math is wrong.

In the whole Eastern Conference, the Knicks have the lowest-volume #1 shot-taker on the team from 3 among all 15 teams. Below even the Pistons and Wizards. So if anything, Mikal leading the team in attempts is an unhealthy sign about our offense.

I think you're too focused on the Knicks in your assessment here. If you zoom out, I think you'll start to notice how much the state of our 3-point shooting is holding back our offense.

We don't have enough outlets from behind the three point line, or we're not using them correctly. It's a bit of a waste of our 5-out lineup if we can't punish teams from behind the arc.

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

What's unsustainable about KATs numbers? Most of his metrics are pretty close to his career norms. Yes the 3 ball is slightly higher as he won't shoot 50% but is outrageous to think he doesn't get in mid 40's?

Brunson and Mikal shooting has to improve, right?

[Parraknick]

I stand corrected on his attempts. He's only averaging 4 attempts in the last 3 games, which probably warped my perception.

Still, I think the overall volume of 3s attempted and the lack of 3-point accuracy from two of our three wings (Mikal and Hart) is an issue that drags down the offense. Just applying a .400 3P% to Mikal's 6.3 attempts results in approximately 1.8 point difference per game - it's a pretty significant difference, unless my quick math is wrong.

In the whole Eastern Conference, the Knicks have the lowest-volume #1 shot-taker on the team from 3 among all 15 teams. Below even the Pistons and Wizards. So if anything, Mikal leading the team in attempts is an unhealthy sign about our offense.

I think you're too focused on the Knicks in your assessment here. If you zoom out, I think you'll start to notice how much the state of our 3-point shooting is holding back our offense.

We don't have enough outlets from behind the three point line, or we're not using them correctly. It's a bit of a waste of our 5-out lineup if we can't punish teams from behind the arc.

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

This is what I posted earlier. The answer to your question is no. He’s unsustainably hot from 3 right now

[Parraknick]

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

What's unsustainable about KATs numbers? Most of his metrics are pretty close to his career norms. Yes the 3 ball is slightly higher as he won't shoot 50% but is outrageous to think he doesn't get in mid 40's?

Brunson and Mikal shooting has to improve, right?

IMO he needs cleaner looks to average 45% or greater

[Guano]

I guess I'm trying to say I have zero worries about our offense we are 4th now with all the "concerns" you are mentioning.

I don't think Mikal is going to shoot 30% from 3 either. History shows that wont happen.

I also don't think Brunson is going to be a 57% TS guy throughout the season either...he starts slow.

So those even just uptick slightly we are talking a top 2 probably offense in the sport since I think we overtake CLE and GSW eventually and it would be us and BOS.

The issue remains the defense. If Thibs takes the easy road and goes big and puts a center with KAT then I agree we probably see impact to our OFF rating. But if he actually learns how to adj his coaching and adapt we should be able to get close to top 10 defensively with our wing defenders.

Our starting lineup has the worst DEF rating in the NBA...that is simply unacceptable for a team that has OG, Mikal, and Hart on the floor. We are talking Wizards level bad...that is 100% scheme and coaching we shouldn't be that bad...

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

What's unsustainable about KATs numbers? Most of his metrics are pretty close to his career norms. Yes the 3 ball is slightly higher as he won't shoot 50% but is outrageous to think he doesn't get in mid 40's?

Brunson and Mikal shooting has to improve, right?

50% from 3 seems a lil unsustainable. So it's safe to say he is going to have a lil drop off.

I expect Brunson to improve he did after a slow start last season.

Idk what to make of mikal. Past numbers say he is better than he is now. But that shot is ugly and his confidence looks broken. He really needs to step up to relieve some burden from Brunson and Kat.

All that just to say I'm a lil worried about the offense right now.

[Parraknick]

Can kat sustain this level of play on offense? It feels kinda absurd to expect that. So unless mikal and Brunson step up the offense would regress.

What's unsustainable about KATs numbers? Most of his metrics are pretty close to his career norms. Yes the 3 ball is slightly higher as he won't shoot 50% but is outrageous to think he doesn't get in mid 40's?

Brunson and Mikal shooting has to improve, right?

50% from 3 seems a lil unsustainable. So it's safe to say he is going to have a lil drop off.

I expect Brunson to improve he did after a slow start last season.

Idk what to make of mikal. Past numbers say he is better than he is now. But that shot is ugly and his confidence looks broken. He really needs to step up to relieve some burden from Brunson and Kat.

All that just to say I'm a lil worried about the offense right now.

Me too. KAT is currently shooting 5.4 threes per game. Him being the weapon that he is, why can’t we get that number to 10?

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Kat 5th in the league in efficiency

Precious can’t get healthy enough

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Thibs going to have the entire roster on the IL by game 25

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Thibs going to have the entire roster on the IL by game 25

Yep. We’ll be calling Mardy Collins in