Cavs / Spurs

[Chinook]

The Spurs shooting is an overblown concern. They have a lot of guys on their roster who can shoot, and even among the ones who play, they're more average shooters than bad. The Spurs aren't going to make a minor-to-moderate deal that doesn't still result in them playing Castle and Sochan so that concern will never go away.

When Wemby struggles, it has very little to do with spacing. It's almost always about shot selection and general inexperience. Time and coaching will fix that. We've seen a fair bit of progress over the past eight or so games in that regard.

I believe the Spurs' biggest potential need is another scorer off the bench preferably a guard with a three-level game. Their current weakness for solid PG play outside of Paul will be fixed once Jones is back. Right now, the team is having Vassell come off the bench to more easily stagger his restricted minutes with Wemby. You have to think they'll eventually move him back into the starting role, and if the Spurs are going to flirt with the play-in this year then they might be in the market for someone who can actually do what they hope Branham will do.

As far as Johnson is concerned, I really do think folks should stop reaching for him as trade ballast. It doesn't matter what you think of him personally. The Spurs definitely seem to think highly of him. He's been doing his job and has been part of most of the team's best lineups, including being a regular closer. He simply doesn't look to be on the block. There's zero reason why he should be at the center of repeated controversy on this board.

Also Champagnie is solid. I think he's very tradeable given they have a guy like Minix on a two-way. But I'm not in a rush to trade him until the roster shows a lot more clarity.

[axeman23]

The Spurs shooting is an overblown concern. They have a lot of guys on their roster who can shoot, and even among the ones who play, they're more average shooters than bad. The Spurs aren't going to make a minor-to-moderate deal that doesn't still result in them playing Castle and Sochan so that concern will never go away.

When Wemby struggles, it has very little to do with spacing. It's almost always about shot selection and general inexperience. Time and coaching will fix that. We've seen a fair bit of progress over the past eight or so games in that regard.

I believe the Spurs' biggest potential need is another scorer off the bench preferably a guard with a three-level game. Their current weakness for solid PG play outside of Paul will be fixed once Jones is back. Right now, the team is having Vassell come off the bench to more easily stagger his restricted minutes with Wemby. You have to think they'll eventually move him back into the starting role, and if the Spurs are going to flirt with the play-in this year then they might be in the market for someone who can actually do what they hope Branham will do.

As far as Johnson is concerned, I really do think folks should stop reaching for him as trade ballast. It doesn't matter what you think of him personally. The Spurs definitely seem to think highly of him. He's been doing his job and has been part of most of the team's best lineups, including being a regular closer. He simply doesn't look to be on the block. There's zero reason why he should be at the center of repeated controversy on this board.

Also Champagnie is solid. I think he's very tradeable given they have a guy like Minix on a two-way. But I'm not in a rush to trade him until the roster shows a lot more clarity.

So it sounds to me like you're also trying to get Castle (obviously) and Sochan more playing time, and from THAT I deduce Sochan is someone unlikely to be moved? Obviously Vassell was always off the board for our non-"core 4" pieces and the OP trade apparently works for no one, me included. But Sochan and Cissoko do somewhat interest me. I was hoping Cavs would've taken a look at him (Cissoko) in that 2nd round, by buying a pick.

[wemby]

So it sounds to me like you're also trying to get Castle (obviously) and Sochan more playing time, and from THAT I deduce Sochan is someone unlikely to be moved? Obviously Vassell was always off the board for our non-"core 4" pieces and the OP trade apparently works for no one, me included. But Sochan and Cissoko do somewhat interest me. I was hoping Cavs would've taken a look at him (Cissoko) in that 2nd round, by buying a pick.

Sochan and Cissoko are nowhere near the same level, I don't think Sochan is available unless extension negotiations go sour next offseason and even then his price tag will be pretty high. But if someone wanted to take a chance on Cissoko I'd have no problem moving him for a SRP or some better fitting prospect, as Spurs have too many non shooting prospects already and you can't develop all of them together at the same time (Castle, Sochan, Wesley, Cissoko).

[Chinook]

So it sounds to me like you're also trying to get Castle (obviously) and Sochan more playing time, and from THAT I deduce Sochan is someone unlikely to be moved? Obviously Vassell was always off the board for our non-"core 4" pieces and the OP trade apparently works for no one, me included. But Sochan and Cissoko do somewhat interest me. I was hoping Cavs would've taken a look at him (Cissoko) in that 2nd round, by buying a pick.

Yeah, Sochan was establishing himself as the team's third-best player this year before his injury. The team is probably very pleased with his development. He and Wemby seem to be a great fit together in the front court, and his defensive versatility offers a change of pace when guarding the best players on the other team.

Cissoko isn't like that. The Spurs actually did invest pretty heavily into him in order to secure his buyout from Europe, so they aren't likely to just give him away. But I don't think he's sacred at all when it comes to real moves for improving the team. Sochan isn't untouchable either, but that would be like as a piece in a deal for a star, whereas Cissoko could be used as filler salary in a trade to get the team another rotation player.

[wemby]

FWIW, Cissoko isn't trash, he's shown a lot of potential in terms of defense (built like an ox, legs like trees) and as a passer, has a high IQ and sees the floor well, On offense he can finish strong at the rim and also score in transition, but his shot in on the level of the Thompson twins and Ron Holland. If he can find his shot I think he's got everything to be a pretty good NBA player, problem is chances of that happening are what, 10%-15% tops? I'm done with non shooting prospects.

[bgrep14]

Cavs don't really need Johnson and Spurs don't really need Strus so I don't think this trade makes a whole lot of sense. Cavs need more of lengthy small forward.

[Blame Rasho]

The cavs are doing great and people underrate chemistry. People always think that adding a potential rotation player helps. I think that you then marginalize the players in your current rotation from growing even more. Adding Johnson doesn’t add size and he is a small small forward.

The Spurs need Johnson and has a friendly contract to boot. I also think they they are giving up the better assets for marginal returns.

Anyways mis dos centavos…

I have no idea why people keep saying Keldon Johnson is on a good contract. Buddy Heild makes half what he does and is far more effective. Keldon is a 3 and no D bench player, EXCEPT he hasn't shot league average from 3 in more than two seasons.

It is a declining contract and at least to make it makes it so much better than some of the absurd contracts given out recently.

[jbk1234]

The cavs are doing great and people underrate chemistry. People always think that adding a potential rotation player helps. I think that you then marginalize the players in your current rotation from growing even more. Adding Johnson doesn’t add size and he is a small small forward.

The Spurs need Johnson and has a friendly contract to boot. I also think they they are giving up the better assets for marginal returns.

Anyways mis dos centavos…

I have no idea why people keep saying Keldon Johnson is on a good contract. Buddy Heild makes half what he does and is far more effective. Keldon is a 3 and no D bench player, EXCEPT he hasn't shot league average from 3 in more than two seasons.

It is a declining contract and at least to make it makes it so much better than some of the absurd contracts given out recently.

There's a good deal of distance between good contract and worst in the league, but ask yourself what you'd pay him this summer if he doesn't at least get back to league average from 3 after having failed to do so in his prior two seasons. The fact that his contract declines doesn't really matter if he's starting at a place that's 2-3 times higher than it should be.

[Blame Rasho]

You are just annoying and always have been as usual…I would pay him what he is getting paid now. Comparing him to a bargain contracts because x player is over performing is futile.

After so many years I would expect better posts from you, but you can’t help yourself. It is beyond annoying when someone insists that they are right.

[jbk1234]

You are just annoying and always have been as usual…I would pay him what he is getting paid now. Comparing him to a bargain contracts because x player is over performing is futile.

After so many years I would expect better posts from you, but you can’t help yourself. It is beyond annoying when someone insists that they are right.

Lol, I hope that the Spurs F.O. isn't reduced to this when trying to sell Johnson as an asset to potential trade partners.

[Texas Chuck]

Pretty disappointing that even after me asking twice that we still have posters attacking others personally. If you lack the maturity to hear that Spurs players aren't all amazing, PM me for a pro-Spurs echo chamber. But if you are going to post here, be prepared for a different opinion and please be able to handle that without personal attacks.

[tcheco]

Pretty disappointing that even after me asking twice that we still have posters attacking others personally. If you lack the maturity to hear that Spurs players aren't all amazing, PM me for a pro-Spurs echo chamber. But if you are going to post here, be prepared for a different opinion and please be able to handle that without personal attacks.

oh look, the source of all wisdom that knows the value of players you don’t even follow, are you butthurt for your lover? Shove your echochamber up your sorry excuse for an ass. Imagine being as re tar ded tto think people are immature for treating dumb takes that consider Strus better than anyone in the league. God I don’t know how someone as mentally challeged as you gets to be a mod

[Texas Chuck]

I'll obviously let another Mod handle the part directed at me, but just so everyone is clear, the homophobia displayed in the above post is never going to be acceptable under any level and the timeout that poster is getting from me is just for that, not for his comments towards me.

[HartfordWhalers]

oh look, the source of all wisdom that knows the value of players you don’t even follow, are you butthurt for your lover? Shove your echochamber up your sorry excuse for an ass. Imagine being as re tar ded tto think people are immature for treating dumb takes that consider Strus better than anyone in the league. God I don’t know how someone as mentally challeged as you gets to be a mod

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