Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[frankenwolf]

I come in peace and am a Blazers fan.

Can someone explain why a rebuilding team that just paid 2 FRP and 2 SRP for a 23 year old Deni would swap him, and Williams, for 29 year old Randle?

Why not?
Seriously, I don't think you would, but you know how fans can get. Front offices get crazy sometimes also.

Spoiler:

EG: Timberwolves -Kahn era

[Loaf_of_bread]

Why trade for a PG when we let two walk and we further Put RD in the doghouse? From the start we'd need a PF who could also play Center. Randle would and should have always been a trade chip not a solution for this "win now" team.

We should try to get a player form the pistons or Washington for Rudy.

I understand your point of view but my point was to give a chance to NAZ to show if he can be a starter before we have to pay him big.
And i'm also concern about Mike slow down. I know we got RD but he is a rookie and on my opinion he need 2 to 3 years before being able to show how good he is (Of course, if Finch stop to be stubborn and stop to stick with a 8 man rotation..)

DDV needs to transition to the true PG of this team. Let Mike be his backup and let RD play in Iowa. Meanwhile being Minott in as number 9 and TSJ as number 10. Get back to your defensive identity. Naz is always better when he starts and get 30+ minutes. Randle refuses to play D and that kills everything. It kills the culture, it kills the scheme, and it kills the playoff seeding. We also should look to find a backup big and cut Dozier ASAP. I don’t know who is out there in free agency, but Garza isn’t a C2, and we badly need one. When Rudy is off the floor we have issues.

Ok, we are best friends now.. good post.

[cmoss84]

John Collins and Kessler for Randle?

[minimus]

John Collins and Kessler for Randle?

Collins looks small, and he plays small. Altough I would make this trade in order to get Kessler

[minimus]

Randler for Jon Isaac and Tristan Da Silva?

Gobert/Isaac/Garza
Reid/Minott/Miller
MCD/Silva/TJ/Ingles
Edwards/NAW/DDV + Clark
DDV/Conley/Dillingham + Nix

[MN7725]

John Collins and Kessler for Randle?

Collins has a player option the same as Randle, so not much reason for Utah to do it, not getting off any money
maybe if they thought Randle would be more likely to decline it

Kessler seems to have some value, a lot of teams reportedly interested in him during summer and even now

[Norseman79]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

[moretins]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

Houston would never do that

[Norseman79]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

Houston would never do that

Why not? They keep Eason, Whitmore, Green, Sengun... plenty of youth. Realistically Smith Jr has underachieved and contract is up. They have a chance to make a run this year. DD and Randle are major upgrades to what they are sending out.

PG VanVleet, Shepherd
SG DD/Green
SF Brooks, Whitmore
PF Randle, Eason
C. Sengun, Londale

[moretins]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

Houston would never do that

Why not? They keep Eason, Whitmore, Green, Sengun... plenty of youth. Realistically Smith Jr has underachieved and contract is up. They have a chance to make a run this year. DD and Randle are major upgrades to what they are sending out.

PG VanVleet, Shepherd
SG DD/Green
SF Brooks, Whitmore
PF Randle, Eason
C. Sengun, Londale

They see in Thompson 2 , 3 best player. They are no contenders. Randle is not extending.

[BlacJacMac]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

For me, we're giving up too much (DDV and Dilly) for guys I don't like (Simons and Smith).

Simons is having a really rough start, but he's a proven scorer, so that part of his game should come around. But he's a marginal PG and a horrific defender. Smith Jr, is not a good scorer, is the dead equal of Naz as a rebounder and is just an OK defender.

The player I like most coming back is Adams - who would really help the team in the short term.

I don't think it improves us enough, while also not really giving us many avenues to improve over the next few years.

[Norseman79]

Houston would never do that

Why not? They keep Eason, Whitmore, Green, Sengun... plenty of youth. Realistically Smith Jr has underachieved and contract is up. They have a chance to make a run this year. DD and Randle are major upgrades to what they are sending out.

PG VanVleet, Shepherd
SG DD/Green
SF Brooks, Whitmore
PF Randle, Eason
C. Sengun, Londale

They see in Thompson 2 , 3 best player. They are no contenders. Randle is not extending.

They don't know if Randle would extend or not. Thompson also really hasn't done much. He's not even starting. Their biggest weakness would be defending the rim, and there's a way to rework that trade where they could get Ayton as well

[Neeva]

Why do people want Simons? Lol he isn’t a real
Pg and his contract sucks. Wolves should be targeting Coby White who is more a combo but has team friendly contract. Bulls should probably tank for Flagg.

[Norseman79]

Seems like trades coming to start December would make sense. As far as I can tell the following trade works and satisfies all the rules as being a second apron team now I'm almost positive people aren't going to like this but at some point in time if you're going to win you need to build the team to win.

MN in: Simons, Smith Jr, Adams
Out: Randle, DD, Dilly

Hou in: DD, Randle
Out: Thompson, Tate, Adams, Smith Jr

POR in: Dilly, Thompson, Tate
Out: Simons

Houston makes their run, DD with VanVleet is a dangerous backcourt, throw Brooks, Randle and Sengun up front with good depth.

Portland loads up with young guys to round out roster. Scoot and dilly compete for point guard, sharp takes the shooting guard, Thompson at small forward, Avdija at the 4 and Klingan/Ayton at the 5, plus good depth.

Minnesota basically wipes their hands of Kat trade and turns it into a better fit. Simons is a dynamic scoring PG, paired with Edwards could be best backcourt in league and I mean that. Smith Jr and Naz can battle it out for starting 4, whoever earns the extension gets it. Adams backs up Rudy and plays on second night of back to back, saves both vets but also helps with rebounding and defense when Rudy is out.

PG - Simons, Conley Jr, Nix
SG - Ant, Naw, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Minott, Shannon Jr
PF - Smith Jr, Naz, Miller
C. - Rudy, Adams, Garza

Roster is better balanced, has a better mixture of offense and defense, has a pathway forward to resign key players. Also has some interchangeability.

For me, we're giving up too much (DDV and Dilly) for guys I don't like (Simons and Smith).

Simons is having a really rough start, but he's a proven scorer, so that part of his game should come around. But he's a marginal PG and a horrific defender. Smith Jr, is not a good scorer, is the dead equal of Naz as a rebounder and is just an OK defender.

The player I like most coming back is Adams - who would really help the team in the short term.

I don't think it improves us enough, while also not really giving us many avenues to improve over the next few years.

Now these are some good points. Agree to disagree on Simons. I think his offense next to Edwards would really take off, as what is defense because he would likely be guarding point guards instead of having to guard larger two guards. You make a good point, I am projecting. But with him and Edwards, and their ability to create and get to the rim, plus hit threes, good luck guarding it. McDaniels and Smith Jr can camp in the corners where both statistically have been plus three-point shooters. Smith Jr offers a bit more defense in my opinion than Naz at the wing. Naz better in post. I just think the two of them are equal enough where there should be competition for playing time and an extension. In addition, jabari's ability to really run the floor hasn't been used much in Houston. He and McDaniels both being 6'10 plus, with + wingspans and switch ability on d is a plus. Also, he hasn't had the ability of playing next to someone like Rudy which would really help his defense. I agree with you that Steven Adams is actually the part of the trade that is the most sure thing. I appreciate the The Good points and they are valid I just look a little differently.

[Norseman79]

Why do people want Simons? Lol he isn’t a real
Pg and his contract sucks. Wolves should be targeting Coby White who is more a combo but has team friendly contract. Bulls should probably tank for Flagg.

Simons is as more of a point guard than a true 2 guard. He has good size, elite athleticism, and the ability to create for others. A lot of his limitation has a point guard has to do with surrounding cast which he hasn't had a very good one in Portland. His contract while it isn't ideal, isn't outrageous for a starting point guard.

[Neeva]

Why do people want Simons? Lol he isn’t a real
Pg and his contract sucks. Wolves should be targeting Coby White who is more a combo but has team friendly contract. Bulls should probably tank for Flagg.

Simons is as more of a point guard than a true 2 guard. He has good size, elite athleticism, and the ability to create for others. A lot of his limitation has a point guard has to do with surrounding cast which he hasn't had a very good one in Portland. His contract while it isn't ideal, isn't outrageous for a starting point guard.

No thanks he’s a cone on defense too

[cmoss84]

I've got it. What if the Clippers want to go to plan B and go smaller? Doubtful, but what if?
Randle (gets extension), Jazz 2nd
FOR
Zubac and Jones Jr. ($21.5). Then extend NAW and NAZ. Rotate the big guys to lower minutes and play twin towers when we can.
If they do Mann instead of Jones Jr. instead, I still do it.

PG: DD, Mike, RD
SG: ANT, NAW, Jones Jr.
SF: Jaden, Jones Jr., TSJ
PF: NAZ, Zubac, Miller
C: Rudy/Zubac

[Neeva]

Zubac and Jones Jr and then trading for Coby White , would be so good, but probably unlikely.

[Norseman79]

Why do people want Simons? Lol he isn’t a real
Pg and his contract sucks. Wolves should be targeting Coby White who is more a combo but has team friendly contract. Bulls should probably tank for Flagg.

Simons is as more of a point guard than a true 2 guard. He has good size, elite athleticism, and the ability to create for others. A lot of his limitation has a point guard has to do with surrounding cast which he hasn't had a very good one in Portland. His contract while it isn't ideal, isn't outrageous for a starting point guard.

No thanks he’s a cone on defense too

I guess I would rather have him be elite on offense and a cone on defense with Ant, Jaden and Rudy behind him...then the opposite. Plus it's highly likely his defense improves here. Again, team matters.

P.s. he isn't just a cone he is like lowest rated in league...which is laughable if you actually watch him play. He isn't great, but he isn't abhorrent eye test wise.

[Norseman79]

A straight up trade of Randle and Garza for Adams, Smith Jr, and Tate works after December 15 or 19.