76ers @ Magic 11/15/2024 It's Getting Late Early

[Mik317]

you want to spam 3s then you need real shooters. Teams will dare Martin, Oubre, Lowry to beat them all day. They can just swarm Biid and stay home on our actual good shooters (who sans McCain haven't even been that good lol)

Biid is deffo out of cardio and that sucks and he should feel bad...but a lot of the issues are just simply too many non factors get too much run and thats by design of the roster. We solved none of the issues of the past imo. Still to old and too slow which leads to other teams being able to outlast us in these rock fights.

[76ciology]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but I really hope that when Maxey comes back that he, PG, McCain and others take the lion's share of the shots to prevent Embiid from taking too many which would force Embiid to focus instead on defense and rebounding.

This is what im also thinking.

Embiid has a lot of value as a screener for guards because teams dont usually switch a guard and a center on a screenplay.

Haaa.. i think we just need to take a step back and a breather to clear our thoughts

[SixthStreet]

Let’s talk about Embiid after 10 games played, fellas.

[the_process]

Even if Jo snaps back to MVP level starting tomorrow, they would be looking at 45-37. That’s a play in team, even in the East.

It’s going to be very difficult to turn this year around now. They have to get their pick this year back from OKC, even if it means giving up the Clippers 28 pick.

[ankle420breaker]

Let’s talk about Embiid after 10 games played, fellas.

We're 2-10. 10 games for Embiid is probably 15 for the team. We're already buried and he's no savior.

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[Foshan]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but I really hope that when Maxey comes back that he, PG, McCain and others take the lion's share of the shots to prevent Embiid from taking too many which would force Embiid to focus instead on defense and rebounding.

this type of statment is mentioned at the start of every season

[brannigan73]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your shot diet?

I'd like to believe there is an alternate Universe where you get banned from discussing basketball publicly when you compare LaMarcus Aldridge to Joel Embiid. Embiid is literally worlds better at every aspect of basketball then Aldridge. Embiid is not holding this team back on offense when he is healthy. This team actually has a bunch of suspect 3 point shooters. Maxey, George, and Eric Gordon are the only people I would expect to hit league average on threes or higher. McCain appears to be that as well but I need to see him do it over a long period of time. And guess what no Maxey tonight. Caleb Martin and Lowry are playing big minutes and they wont shoot the ball. A bunch of mediocre to bad offensive supporting players and your stars being rusty or injured equals a horrendous offense. We all knew for this to be an elite offensive team we needed George, Embiid, and Maxey healthy and averaging about 80 points a game on career average percentages.

[Lou_23]

Nick Nurse is the most overrated coach in the NBA, it will be expensive but it can be neccesary fire this terrible coach.

[Kova]

First 3 quarters were glimpses of what the Sixers could be this season. But unfortunately we are where we should have been on Oct 15th, not one month later.
I like what McCain could be, a dynamic 6th man, can score in a hurry. Joel is way out of shape, his timing is off, he doesn't have confidence yet. I don't know if Maxey can help us turn things around right away. It's going to be a struggle this season if we don't have a continuity with our core players for at least 30-40 game stretch.

[TYO23]

Nick Nurse is the most overrated coach in the NBA, it will be expensive but it can be neccesary fire this terrible coach.

He has been so bad with his rotations I’m almost wondering if he’s trying to get fired.

[Stanford]

This is shaping up to be one of the biggest disaster seasons in NBA history. We rock.

[youngcrev]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your offense?

Alright, I can't help myself with this one... Haven't you been ridiculously pushing the notion that Embiid should play PF next to another true center for the last like 2 years while completely neglecting this?

Embiid is a hyper efficient scorer when healthy that has a ton of gravity. His game is, and always has been, synergistic with high volume 3 point shooters due to the looks he creates for them.

Yeah, but what works before may not work now and what works now may not work before. And I just don’t see it working with how many 3pt shots are being taken and made this season.

For example, last year, only one team averaged 40 3pt attempts per game. This year, there are six. That same team, which used to take 40 3s, is now taking 50 per game.

If I were facing the Sixers, I’d gladly have my team take 40–50 3s early or mid shot clock (they generate open looks quicker) rather than running the ball through an obstacle course to get it to Embiid, where he’s forced to take a high volume of contested mid range shots with limited time left.

Sure, some nights Embiid will shoot lights out, but on most nights, a 3pt heavy approach or a 2-3 man game run by a wing or a guard, especially with Embiid and Drummond playing drop coverage or shooting over smaller defenders like Maxey or McCain,will come out on top.

And if Embiid is shouldering that much of the offensive load, it’s inevitable that he’ll be exhausted, whether it’s on defense, late in the game, or deeper into a playoff series.

Maybe there’s a solution to this (I think it will involve as Embiid as a screener/threat than a shot taker; less ISO ball), and things could change once Embiid and Maxey are fully healthy or if we face Cody Zeller. But for now, this is exactly what I’m seeing.

Coming to any conclusions based on 2 games of a rusty, out of shape Embiid is crazy.

Should the Sixers try to shoot more 3s and de-emphasize Embiid's iso possessions to the point that he's a mid-to-high 20s scorer instead of a low-to-mid 30s scorer and has more energy on the other end? Absolutely, particularly with the other scoring options we now have. Welcome to what 90% of this board has been saying for the last couple years while you've been touting "maybe we should put Embiid and [insert drop coverage center]"

Ramping up 3 point shooting around Embiid has ALWAYS been the goal while you've been pining for them figure out how to move up for Zach Edey.

Coming in and parroting the 3 point stats making the rounds on twitter and touting them as your own while making drastic shifts to the extreme end of what people on this board have been saying just rubs me the wrong way.

The strangest part about this shift in opinion... If we are trending towards a McCain+Maxey backcourt... I actually think they are going to need a legit sized 4 out there. Not a center, as you need someone with mobility, but size/rebounding/some level of secondary rim protection feels like what you need with a Maxey-McCain-George-Embiid lineup. More shooting is always welcome, but the other stuff is a bigger priority when you've got 3 high volume, high efficiency 3 point shooters out there already.

[blargh]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

[Stanford]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

I'm not saying you're wrong but we could be 10-40 and there would still be people saying this.

[youngcrev]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

I'm not saying you're wrong but we could be 10-40 and there would still be people saying this.

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[Negrodamus]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

Well, for Joel's sake, your optimism hopefully comes to fruition. Because when we're running full health, there will be an expectation of ripping off 8+ game win streaks and if Joel is completely fried, that won't happen.

[ProcessDoctor]

I really hope the front office is thinking of shutting Embiid down Robinson-style. This season is lost if the goal is a championship.

[DCasey91]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your shot diet?

I'd like to believe there is an alternate Universe where you get banned from discussing basketball publicly when you compare LaMarcus Aldridge to Joel Embiid. Embiid is literally worlds better at every aspect of basketball then Aldridge. Embiid is not holding this team back on offense when he is healthy. This team actually has a bunch of suspect 3 point shooters. Maxey, George, and Eric Gordon are the only people I would expect to hit league average on threes or higher. McCain appears to be that as well but I need to see him do it over a long period of time. And guess what no Maxey tonight. Caleb Martin and Lowry are playing big minutes and they wont shoot the ball. A bunch of mediocre to bad offensive supporting players and your stars being rusty or injured equals a horrendous offense. We all knew for this to be an elite offensive team we needed George, Embiid, and Maxey healthy and averaging about 80 points a game on career average percentages.

We all have watched us long enough to realize that an Embiid centric offense does not lead anywhere.

He's not comparing the player it's the offensive system/the shot diet methodolgy

76ciology hit the nail on the head

You might want to watch the playoffs again to see what he's getting at. Embiid gets his numbers but its grossly inflated/TO prone and because his stamina isn't high and gets worse as the game goes on.

I bet the house we would be more successful if he was a greater performer on defence.

We are looking at two young guards that can take up the bulk of offensive responsibility in due time.

There's no need for Embiid spam even against crappy teams, def dont do it against pressure ones/highy disclipined elite teams it does not work, never has.

[mjkvol]

I hate drawing conclusions after such a small sample of games with Embiid back, but there are definitely some troubling things with this group. I was dead set against the George signing, and there is little that we've seen to indicate that a 4-year max deal will turn out to be a great idea, even in the shorter term.

Oubre feels like not much more than trade bait right now, and Gordon and Jackson signings look like a complete waste, especially with the emergence of McCain. Martin signed here with the idea of having a bigger role than he had in Miami, but I'm not sure if he'll ever be more than a 6th-7th guy who creates some spark off the bench. Nurse has been a monstrous disappointment, as there is little sign of the 'mad scientist' we thought we were getting given the utter lack of imagination with scheme and rotations.

The lineup I'd like to see get some serious run is Maxey-McCain-Embiid-George-Yabusele - without a true 4 on the roster, perhaps Yabusele could grow into that role with this group. But the only way this will really work is for Embiid to accept a lesser offensive role, and I have to see that happen before I believe it actually can.

[Arsenal]

The silver lining is we controlled the game for 3 quarters while Embiid had energy. We lost it in his last stint when he had zero energy, and they out-hustled us to every loose ball and took advantage of his fatigue.

If Embiid was 100% we win that game.