OT: Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson on Netflix

[Jeff Van Gully]

I never liked Jake or his brother so I would

I won't take away anything from him in terms of the training that Jake has put in over the years. He has been putting in work, I agree. But it's hard to respect him 100% because he doesn't fight anyone who is legit.

I shouldn't use the word respect because honestly it takes a ton of guts to step into a boxing ring whether you're an amateur or pro. But I can't think of another word right now to describe how....uninteresting it is to see Paul fight washed up guys or dudes that have no business in a ring.

fully agree. he's not too old to start fighting serious fighters. i'd watch that and give him his due either way.

If he fights a current ranked boxer in his weight class, regardless of the outcome, I would respect him for it.

he's nowhere near ready for that. but word.

[j4remi]

I think he's around amateur / low Olympic level boxing right now, he wouldn't beat anyone that he doesn't have some kind of physical advantage over.

I won't disparage him too much because at the end of the day he's still getting in the ring and that takes courage, but it's time to step up and fight guys born in the same decade.

I doubt Jake would place in a Golden Gloves tournament. He's not good, and fighting at a size where he'd have to be a MUCH better defensive boxer to avoid getting his head taken off.

The average amateur / Olympic level boxer is terrible, what I will give Jake is that he's trained in a pro style where as amateur / Olympic level boxers fight to win in 3-5roundo on points and rarely sit down on their punches. I hate amateur boxing for the most part.

He's going to lose against anyone in his age range that's been a pro. But they can cherry pick and find equally as bad "pros" out there that are semi legitimate boxers that don't have power, or are too small for their weight class like a blown up middleweight making cruiserweight to fight him because the money is too good.

The average Amateur-level boxer isn't placing in a Golden Gloves tournament. My point is, sure, he can find low-level pros to beat But you can also find amateurs boxing in virtually every state that will smoke him. I've seen teen-aged volume punchers that could corner and bury him, who stopped boxing to focus on academics.

True about Jake looking for severely undersized fighters to give some fake legitimacy too. Even fighters on the undercard that Jake's team wants to promote are booking undersized opponents on short notice to run up their stats. Though, in fairness to Jake, that's not exactly an uncommon practice.

[MrDollarBills]

I doubt Jake would place in a Golden Gloves tournament. He's not good, and fighting at a size where he'd have to be a MUCH better defensive boxer to avoid getting his head taken off.

Imagine Jake trying to fight Andy Ruiz or Deontay Wilder?

Lmao. That would be funny, but extremely dangerous

strong possibility of death

Right. Putting him in front of either guy would be horrible

I mean Wilder once marveled over the fact that boxing is the only way that he can legally kill another human being without repercussions. I think he'd try to legit unalive the guy

[Jeff Van Gully]

I think he's around amateur / low Olympic level boxing right now, he wouldn't beat anyone that he doesn't have some kind of physical advantage over.

I won't disparage him too much because at the end of the day he's still getting in the ring and that takes courage, but it's time to step up and fight guys born in the same decade.

I can't put him on an Olympic level. I haven't seen anything from him that leads me to believe that he's even remotely that skilled.

But yeah, again, it takes guts to get into the ring and fight. I cannot take that away from him. But this is carnival barker boxing.

A low level Olympic boxer is awful in pro style fights, a recent Olympic boxer would probably lose to him in a fight right now. Plenty of Olympic medalists lose within 10 fights against journeymen that aren't really much different from Jake because. I don't rate Olympic fighters unless they're Eastern Europeans or Central Asian nowadays, the amateur/Olympic style is just too different from pro boxing now and it's why so many Cuban greats don't amount to anything as pros when they defect here.


I haven't bought into the Jake hype, I just don't think highly of that type of boxing and if he's smart he calls out a 2020-2024 Olympic fighter who doesn't have many fights

paul has real power and solid technique and hand speed. his combinations are pro style, as you say. he's got some creativity to his game, which is why i do want to see him work the pro ladder. even if it's that low level top rank **** to start. that's how you know where you are. and fighters come in at that level from golden gloves and club all the time to see what they've got, even in their late twenties. but it's now or never if paul really wants to do that.

i completely understand continued disdain for him if all he does are these stunts. it's fine to do that. but you also can't ask for that same kind of respect that "real" fighters get. and, as most of us agree, what he's doing is spectacle but still fighting, so it shouldn't ever be completely devoid of respect. mike tyson could have landed a single blow or combo last night to stop him. that risk and danger were always really there. so it's not nothing. lol

it's all fascinating to me. so i was entertained even though the fight wasn't ****. glad no one got hurt.

[j4remi]

Imagine Jake trying to fight Andy Ruiz or Deontay Wilder?

Lmao. That would be funny, but extremely dangerous

strong possibility of death

Right. Putting him in front of either guy would be horrible

I mean Wilder once marveled over the fact that boxing is the only way that he can legally kill another human being without repercussions. I think he'd try to legit unalive the guy

To this day, Wilder vs Stiverne 2 is probably the funniest fight I've ever witnessed. Stiverne talked a bunch of trash, pissed Wilder off, and this was the result:

Spoiler:

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

I doubt Jake would place in a Golden Gloves tournament. He's not good, and fighting at a size where he'd have to be a MUCH better defensive boxer to avoid getting his head taken off.

The average amateur / Olympic level boxer is terrible, what I will give Jake is that he's trained in a pro style where as amateur / Olympic level boxers fight to win in 3-5roundo on points and rarely sit down on their punches. I hate amateur boxing for the most part.

He's going to lose against anyone in his age range that's been a pro. But they can cherry pick and find equally as bad "pros" out there that are semi legitimate boxers that don't have power, or are too small for their weight class like a blown up middleweight making cruiserweight to fight him because the money is too good.

The average Amateur-level boxer isn't placing in a Golden Gloves tournament. My point is, sure, he can find low-level pros to beat But you can also find amateurs boxing in virtually every state that will smoke him. I've seen teen-aged volume punchers that could corner and bury him, who stopped boxing to focus on academics.

True about Jake looking for severely undersized fighters to give some fake legitimacy too. Even fighters on the undercard that Jake's team wants to promote are booking undersized opponents on short notice to run up their stats. Though, in fairness to Jake, that's not exactly an uncommon practice.

He's going to cherry pick and find someone with credibility that cant really hurt him. If I were part of his team I'd be looking to get him to fight a recent Olympian that hasn't had many pro fights yet and hasn't had a 6 round fight. I'd do that rather than having him fight a similar aged pro or journeyman, even if it's a blown up guy from a lower weight class that's still dangerous. And you never know with journeymen, they may save the performance of their lives for that night against you If it's about trying to legitimize him then that's the only real way to do it, go after the young guys still trying to figure out how to fight as pros.


He wants to win a belt at cruiserweight, some bs sanctioning body will probably help him and find the right opponent to do it against.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I can't put him on an Olympic level. I haven't seen anything from him that leads me to believe that he's even remotely that skilled.

But yeah, again, it takes guts to get into the ring and fight. I cannot take that away from him. But this is carnival barker boxing.

A low level Olympic boxer is awful in pro style fights, a recent Olympic boxer would probably lose to him in a fight right now. Plenty of Olympic medalists lose within 10 fights against journeymen that aren't really much different from Jake because. I don't rate Olympic fighters unless they're Eastern Europeans or Central Asian nowadays, the amateur/Olympic style is just too different from pro boxing now and it's why so many Cuban greats don't amount to anything as pros when they defect here.


I haven't bought into the Jake hype, I just don't think highly of that type of boxing and if he's smart he calls out a 2020-2024 Olympic fighter who doesn't have many fights

paul has real power and solid technique and hand speed. his combinations are pro style, as you say. he's got some creativity to his game, which is why i do want to see him work the pro ladder. even if it's that low level top rank **** to start. that's how you know where you are. and fighters come in at that level from golden gloves and club all the time to see what they've got, even in their late twenties. but it's now or never if paul really wants to do that.

i completely understand continued disdain for him if all he does are these stunts. it's fine to do that. but you also can't ask for that same kind of respect that "real" fighters get. and, as most of us agree, what he's doing is spectacle but still fighting, so it shouldn't ever be completely devoid of respect. mike tyson could have landed a single blow or combo last night to stop him. that risk and danger were always really there. so it's not nothing. lol

it's all fascinating to me. so i was entertained even though the fight wasn't ****. glad no one got hurt.

He has nowhere left to go now, outside of calling out Taylor Swift and getting her in the ring nothing can top the spectacle of this especially not with how bad Mike looked. It's time for Jake to at least start fighting guys his own age, because the net result of this fight will be people losing interest in watching him beat up old men. If he can beat an old legendary boxer why would anyone watch him fight go back to fighting old MMA guys?

He's boxed himself into a corner now, and he'll need to find a new angle.

[j4remi]

He's going to cherry pick and find someone with credibility that cant really hurt him. If I were part of his team I'd be looking to get him to fight a recent Olympian that hasn't had many pro fights yet and hasn't had a 6 round fight. I'd do that rather than having him fight a similar aged pro or journeyman, even if it's a blown up guy from a lower weight class that's still dangerous. If it's about trying to legitimize him then that's the only real way to do it, go after the young guys still trying to figure out how to fight as pros.


He wants to win a belt at cruiserweight, some bs sanctioning body will probably help him and find the right opponent to do it against.

The problem is finding a payday that can cover all bases. If he wanted a path to legitimacy, an amateur Olympian or a pro with a genuine 6-10 fights on his belt would be the best and most realistic possibility.

But Jake got 40 million dollars to fight a 60-year-old man last night. I can't picture him taking a dangerous opponent that won't draw half what Tyson did. I can't even picture him taking on a middle-aged former quality opponent. Tony Bellew seems to want the payday, but I doubt Jake would want that smoke.

Watch him switch to MMA gimmick fights soon. He's already laid groundwork for it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He's going to cherry pick and find someone with credibility that cant really hurt him. If I were part of his team I'd be looking to get him to fight a recent Olympian that hasn't had many pro fights yet and hasn't had a 6 round fight. I'd do that rather than having him fight a similar aged pro or journeyman, even if it's a blown up guy from a lower weight class that's still dangerous. If it's about trying to legitimize him then that's the only real way to do it, go after the young guys still trying to figure out how to fight as pros.


He wants to win a belt at cruiserweight, some bs sanctioning body will probably help him and find the right opponent to do it against.

The problem is finding a payday that can cover all bases. If he wanted a path to legitimacy, an amateur Olympian or a pro with a genuine 6-10 fights on his belt would be the best and most realistic possibility.

But Jake got 40 million dollars to fight a 60-year-old man last night. I can't picture him taking a dangerous opponent that won't draw half what Tyson did. I can't even picture him taking on a middle-aged former quality opponent. Tony Bellew seems to want the payday, but I doubt Jake would want that smoke.

I would guess he takes the Tommy Fury rematch next, they can market it as avenging his only loss. After that, there's nowhere left for him to go, nothing can top the spectacle that they had with this. Well, actually one fight could, but the weight difference may be too drastic, Floyd senses must be tingling at how much money Jake and Mike made.


Bellew would be in the best shape of his life and isn't too far removed from boxing to kill him

[j4remi]

The problem is finding a payday that can cover all bases. If he wanted a path to legitimacy, an amateur Olympian or a pro with a genuine 6-10 fights on his belt would be the best and most realistic possibility.

But Jake got 40 million dollars to fight a 60-year-old man last night. I can't picture him taking a dangerous opponent that won't draw half what Tyson did. I can't even picture him taking on a middle-aged former quality opponent. Tony Bellew seems to want the payday, but I doubt Jake would want that smoke.

I would guess he takes the Tommy Fury rematch next, they can market it as avenging his only loss. After that, there's nowhere left for him to go, nothing can top the spectacle that they had with this. Well, actually one fight could, but the weight difference may be too drastic, Floyd senses must be tingling at how much money Jake and Mike made.


Bellew would be in the best shape of his life and isn't too far removed from boxing to kill him

Fury rematch is a good idea. Then Floyd or an absolute joke of a Conor McGregor fight would be all he has left to market.

He's got contracts with the PFL as a promoter of sorts. So, I could picture him doing the "fight an undersized, past his prime, popular guy" path to another payday or two, if he needed to.

You've nailed the reason I named Bellew. Bellew's a legitimate pro with an impressive resume, but more than half a decade removed from fighting competitively. Jake should be able to walk through him, and he could market it as "this guy fought Usyk, the top HW alive, when he last fought." But Bellew's only 41, which is a little too threatening for Jake

[Capn'O]

I can't put him on an Olympic level. I haven't seen anything from him that leads me to believe that he's even remotely that skilled.

But yeah, again, it takes guts to get into the ring and fight. I cannot take that away from him. But this is carnival barker boxing.

A low level Olympic boxer is awful in pro style fights, a recent Olympic boxer would probably lose to him in a fight right now. Plenty of Olympic medalists lose within 10 fights against journeymen that aren't really much different from Jake because. I don't rate Olympic fighters unless they're Eastern Europeans or Central Asian nowadays, the amateur/Olympic style is just too different from pro boxing now and it's why so many Cuban greats don't amount to anything as pros when they defect here.


I haven't bought into the Jake hype, I just don't think highly of that type of boxing and if he's smart he calls out a 2020-2024 Olympic fighter who doesn't have many fights

paul has real power and solid technique and hand speed. his combinations are pro style, as you say. he's got some creativity to his game, which is why i do want to see him work the pro ladder. even if it's that low level top rank **** to start. that's how you know where you are. and fighters come in at that level from golden gloves and club all the time to see what they've got, even in their late twenties. but it's now or never if paul really wants to do that.

i completely understand continued disdain for him if all he does are these stunts. it's fine to do that. but you also can't ask for that same kind of respect that "real" fighters get. and, as most of us agree, what he's doing is spectacle but still fighting, so it shouldn't ever be completely devoid of respect. mike tyson could have landed a single blow or combo last night to stop him. that risk and danger were always really there. so it's not nothing. lol

it's all fascinating to me. so i was entertained even though the fight wasn't ****. glad no one got hurt.

Correct. Anyone wondering what it says about Paul or looking for a good fight was looking at the wrong thing. Paul provided the spectacle but otherwise who cares about him or his future. The fight was about whether Mike could do Mike things for even an instant and we all knew the opponent wasn't the real deal. It looked like he was sizing him up Old George style in the first two rounds and then he ran out of gas. He was nimble and aggressive at first. But after that, he couldn't do Mike things.

Father Time never loses. Bummer.



Paul seems more like a promoter who also fights a bit. He's not gonna work his way up the professional ladder. He just made $20 mil. But I could see him being an event around better fights. Basically what he did last night.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

strong possibility of death

Right. Putting him in front of either guy would be horrible

I mean Wilder once marveled over the fact that boxing is the only way that he can legally kill another human being without repercussions. I think he'd try to legit unalive the guy

To this day, Wilder vs Stiverne 2 is probably the funniest fight I've ever witnessed. Stiverne talked a bunch of trash, pissed Wilder off, and this was the result:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

gave him that gangsta lean

[Capn'O]

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Right but this is like clips of Mitch hitting 3s in practice. The work is getting close enough to a bigger fighter to get those punches off without exposing yourself. Watch the first two rounds - he tried to get in to get those combos off... then he had one last push in the 5th round where he got in with that uppercut. He was mostly playing defense to see if Paul made a mistake and he didn't make many.

It's the legs. Prime Mike was so much faster. He would have gotten in there easily and then chopped liver.

[Rich Rane]

The problem is finding a payday that can cover all bases. If he wanted a path to legitimacy, an amateur Olympian or a pro with a genuine 6-10 fights on his belt would be the best and most realistic possibility.

But Jake got 40 million dollars to fight a 60-year-old man last night. I can't picture him taking a dangerous opponent that won't draw half what Tyson did. I can't even picture him taking on a middle-aged former quality opponent. Tony Bellew seems to want the payday, but I doubt Jake would want that smoke.

I would guess he takes the Tommy Fury rematch next, they can market it as avenging his only loss. After that, there's nowhere left for him to go, nothing can top the spectacle that they had with this. Well, actually one fight could, but the weight difference may be too drastic, Floyd senses must be tingling at how much money Jake and Mike made.


Bellew would be in the best shape of his life and isn't too far removed from boxing to kill him

Fury rematch is a good idea. Then Floyd or an absolute joke of a Conor McGregor fight would be all he has left to market.

Paul got around $5-7 million dollars to fight Ryan Bourland. Don't know who Ryan Bourland is? Doesn't matter, Paul got $5-7 million to fight him. He might not be getting the $40 million he got for Tyson again (although who knows), but he's still collecting paychecks and will continue to against aging or retired MMA fighters or boxers that were underpaid when they were active. For whatever we all think of him, the son of a bitch is marketable (not to me personally) and people do pay to see him (or for the chance he gets his ass knocked out).

[j4remi]

I would guess he takes the Tommy Fury rematch next, they can market it as avenging his only loss. After that, there's nowhere left for him to go, nothing can top the spectacle that they had with this. Well, actually one fight could, but the weight difference may be too drastic, Floyd senses must be tingling at how much money Jake and Mike made.


Bellew would be in the best shape of his life and isn't too far removed from boxing to kill him

Fury rematch is a good idea. Then Floyd or an absolute joke of a Conor McGregor fight would be all he has left to market.

Paul got around $5-7 million dollars to fight Ryan Bourland. Don't know who Ryan Bourland is? Doesn't matter, Paul got $5-7 million to fight him. He might not be getting the $40 million he got for Tyson again (although who knows), but he's still collecting paychecks and will continue to against aging or retired MMA fighters or boxers that were underpaid when they were active. For whatever we all think of him, the son of a bitch is marketable (not to me personally) and people do pay to see him (or for the chance he gets his ass knocked out).

Could Jake make a decent paycheck by reverting to lesser names? Sure. But do you really think Jake Paul is going to accept a fraction of the paycheck he just made for a lesser known opponent, that's a bigger threat to beat him and hurt his marketability?

He doesn't take that Bourland fight if not for losing to Fury.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The problem is finding a payday that can cover all bases. If he wanted a path to legitimacy, an amateur Olympian or a pro with a genuine 6-10 fights on his belt would be the best and most realistic possibility.

But Jake got 40 million dollars to fight a 60-year-old man last night. I can't picture him taking a dangerous opponent that won't draw half what Tyson did. I can't even picture him taking on a middle-aged former quality opponent. Tony Bellew seems to want the payday, but I doubt Jake would want that smoke.

I would guess he takes the Tommy Fury rematch next, they can market it as avenging his only loss. After that, there's nowhere left for him to go, nothing can top the spectacle that they had with this. Well, actually one fight could, but the weight difference may be too drastic, Floyd senses must be tingling at how much money Jake and Mike made.


Bellew would be in the best shape of his life and isn't too far removed from boxing to kill him

Fury rematch is a good idea. Then Floyd or an absolute joke of a Conor McGregor fight would be all he has left to market.

He's got contracts with the PFL as a promoter of sorts. So, I could picture him doing the "fight an undersized, past his prime, popular guy" path to another payday or two, if he needed to.

You've nailed the reason I named Bellew. Bellew's a legitimate pro with an impressive resume, but more than half a decade removed from fighting competitively. Jake should be able to walk through him, and he could market it as "this guy fought Usyk, the top HW alive, when he last fought." But Bellew's only 41, which is a little too threatening for Jake

I don't think the Connor fight is viable now, because anyone with a brain will just say Jake just beat Tyson, so what threat does Connor pose as a boxer when he's much smaller. The Floyd fight is the last circus fight he could make, but I don't think Floyd will do that unless the money is really obscene.



The WBC is going to rank him soon, which is absolutely hilarious since he hasn't actually fought anyone, but the money is too big to not do it. He will never step into the ring with Bellew, just entirely too dangerous of a fight and one Jake would lose even. He claims he wants to fight Canelo, because he'd have the weight and size advantage over him, but that's a fight he would be brutalized in, so I hope that happens. Whatever he's doing I think he's getting close to cashing out, if he actually does fight Canelo he would get destroyed, since Canelo has fought at light heavyweight.

[Capn'O]

If I'm a betting man, he'll pick somebody who can beat him the first time but not seriously hurt him, bill that with a much better fight, and then you get to hype the rematch.

[Rich Rane]

Fury rematch is a good idea. Then Floyd or an absolute joke of a Conor McGregor fight would be all he has left to market.

Paul got around $5-7 million dollars to fight Ryan Bourland. Don't know who Ryan Bourland is? Doesn't matter, Paul got $5-7 million to fight him. He might not be getting the $40 million he got for Tyson again (although who knows), but he's still collecting paychecks and will continue to against aging or retired MMA fighters or boxers that were underpaid when they were active. For whatever we all think of him, the son of a bitch is marketable (not to me personally) and people do pay to see him (or for the chance he gets his ass knocked out).

Could Jake make a decent paycheck by reverting to lesser names? Sure. But do you really think Jake Paul is going to accept a fraction of the paycheck he just made for a lesser known opponent, that's a bigger threat to beat him and hurt his marketability?

He doesn't take that Bourland fight if not for losing to Fury.

I think we both know the gameplan. Fight opponents where he stands little to no chance of losing (cherry picking). I think he would take a lesser paycheck to fight somebody he has a better chance at winning. I think he would take a lesser paycheck to duck someone a lot more worthy.

[j4remi]

Could Jake make a decent paycheck by reverting to lesser names? Sure. But do you really think Jake Paul is going to accept a fraction of the paycheck he just made for a lesser known opponent, that's a bigger threat to beat him and hurt his marketability?

He doesn't take that Bourland fight if not for losing to Fury.

I think we both know the gameplan. Fight opponents where he stands little to no chance of losing (cherry picking). I think he would take a lesser paycheck to fight somebody he has a better chance at winning. I think he would take a lesser paycheck to duck someone a lot more worthy.

I think the gameplan is to cashout soon, not to move backwards. I don't disagree that he's going to duck anyone that's a legitimate threat, except MAYBE Canelo since the payday would be astronomical.

But the gameplan is to take a lesser opponent but maximize the payday. He's not going to risk losing for 5 million dollars if he can chase a bigger name, similar or smaller risk for 50. The reason, I think he's almost done is because he's at the point of diminishing returns outside of a handful of possibilities.