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Post#1581 » by raferfenix » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:35 am

So...who are we chasing with our 2031 pick?

Jake Fischer is pretty definitive that's what we're offering around the league at the moment:

The Bucks right now are continuing to, I’ve been told from various teams, call around the league and look for perimeter defensive adjustments and reinforcements right now. That’s kind of been the theme in Milwaukee dating back to last trade deadline.

So I’m not surprised to hear that from various sources and various teams around the league the Bucks. The Bucks were canvassing last year as we discussed about the potential of a Bobby Portis/Pat Connaughton package and what that salary could have gotten. We reported they were looking at Bruce Brown in Toronto and Dejounte Murray back in Atlanta before he was traded. Now the Bucks can’t aggregate any salary...

However I do know that this 2031 first round pick the Bucks do have access to is the piece that Milwaukee is dangling out there and trying to see what they could potentially get.

I'm seeing the comments asking about Brook Lopez. He is a name we have talked about in this space of course as well. He is someone who Milwaukee was starting to gauge the interest on his trade value this past summer. I don’t think you necessarily can trade him right now being that defensive shortcomings are arguably, and seems to be objectively, the clear shortcoming with this Bucks team. And if you are so sure about shoring up your perimeter defense you probably don’t want to be moving on from your defensive player of the year candidate of years past who is an absolute wall in the interior.

I have not heard Brook Lopez’s name come up this season, that is more something that was being bandied about this past summer, I think when the Bucks were in more of an exploratory phase.

This 2031 first round pick the Bucks have to play with here -- they are valuing this quite highly. Even if they are able to retain Giannis long term he will be 37 come 2031.

Which, look, in today’s NBA when Steph Curry is doing what he’s doing at 37 years old and LeBron James is playing at his level at 40, what can Giannis Antetokoumpo this freak athlete, whose freak is in his nickname of course, what can he be doing at 37? Who is to say.

But there is some value in that 2031 pick the Bucks are correctly assessing. You get access to that pick who is to say what type of pick that can be?

Could this be a Nets pick that the Celtics got in return for KG and Paul Pierce when those guys aged out and those picks ended up becoming Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown and so on and so forth. The Utah Jazz wanted to prioritize future picks down the line from all of my reporting when they sent out Donovan Mitchell. The Knicks had all these picks in 2024 and 2025, Cleveland was the team that met Utah’s asking price when they sent picks later into this decade. At the time there was some hope on Utah’s side Donovan wouldn't be with Cleveland past the first two years of his contract, before he signed this extension to say with the Cavs this season, and of course now it’s all honkey dory with the Cavs off to one of the greatest starts in NBA history.

But there is definite precedent to say all this where a team would definitely value a future pick far off down the road as opposed to something that could help you right now. So I understand why Milwaukee is looking at that.
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Post#1582 » by emunney » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:42 am

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Yeah that was too far. If you think about top 5 all time and start to realize how many guys are in *that* conversation...



I probably should have looked this up 1st... Dame only has 7 All NBA and the 13-15 type guys like West, Julius, Oscar have 11 or 12... Steph has only 6, but he has those 3 rings.

Try something though, if you limit it to PGs then you just have Oscar, Steph, Magic in the top 20, right? Now you're looking at Isaiah who has only 5 All NBA but 2 rings, Iverson who also has 7 All NBA but 1 ring, and Chris Paul 10 All NBA no rings. Win a ring with Giannis and he's right in that conversation of top 5 PG of all time. Yall want to trade him for a draft pick plus scrubs that will never sniff a top 1000 ever list.


I don't disagree with your overall point, obviously, since it was mine, but out of curiosity, where'd you look it up? Steph has 4 rings and 10 all-NBA teams.

I agree with you that it opens up after Magic, Oscar, Steph, but I'd be hard pressed to put Dame over Kidd, Paul, Stockton, Nash, Isiah. I may be forgetting somebody but I could slot Dame in there or not long after. He could climb into that 2nd tier potentially.
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Post#1583 » by Frank Nova » Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:02 am

Okay, so if we’re actually gonna trade the 2031 1st, who’s the best realistic target?

Is Brandin Podziemski really available in GSW? Is he a POA defender or more of an 1 way offensive player? Hes trending on fanspo as the #1 player being involved in trade suggestions. Would he be a good target?
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Post#1584 » by KidA24 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:11 am

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Yeah that was too far. If you think about top 5 all time and start to realize how many guys are in *that* conversation...



I probably should have looked this up 1st... Dame only has 7 All NBA and the 13-15 type guys like West, Julius, Oscar have 11 or 12... Steph has only 6, but he has those 3 rings.

Try something though, if you limit it to PGs then you just have Oscar, Steph, Magic in the top 20, right? Now you're looking at Isaiah who has only 5 All NBA but 2 rings, Iverson who also has 7 All NBA but 1 ring, and Chris Paul 10 All NBA no rings. Win a ring with Giannis and he's right in that conversation of top 5 PG of all time. Yall want to trade him for a draft pick plus scrubs that will never sniff a top 1000 ever list.


I don't disagree with your overall point, obviously, since it was mine, but out of curiosity, where'd you look it up? Steph has 4 rings and 10 all-NBA teams.

I agree with you that it opens up after Magic, Oscar, Steph, but I'd be hard pressed to put Dame over Kidd, Paul, Stockton, Nash, Isiah. I may be forgetting somebody but I could slot Dame in there or not long after. He could climb into that 2nd tier potentially.


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Post#1585 » by -Jragon- » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:41 am

emunney wrote:
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Yeah that was too far. If you think about top 5 all time and start to realize how many guys are in *that* conversation...



I probably should have looked this up 1st... Dame only has 7 All NBA and the 13-15 type guys like West, Julius, Oscar have 11 or 12... Steph has only 6, but he has those 3 rings.

Try something though, if you limit it to PGs then you just have Oscar, Steph, Magic in the top 20, right? Now you're looking at Isaiah who has only 5 All NBA but 2 rings, Iverson who also has 7 All NBA but 1 ring, and Chris Paul 10 All NBA no rings. Win a ring with Giannis and he's right in that conversation of top 5 PG of all time. Yall want to trade him for a draft pick plus scrubs that will never sniff a top 1000 ever list.


I don't disagree with your overall point, obviously, since it was mine, but out of curiosity, where'd you look it up? Steph has 4 rings and 10 all-NBA teams.

I agree with you that it opens up after Magic, Oscar, Steph, but I'd be hard pressed to put Dame over Kidd, Paul, Stockton, Nash, Isiah. I may be forgetting somebody but I could slot Dame in there or not long after. He could climb into that 2nd tier potentially.


General Google got me ..... I'm also looking at trajectory.. Dame isn't dropping off yet... there are some realistic "ifs" that get him in the top 5 conversation...he'd still need to seperate himself from the guys you mentioned.. trading this caliber guy because KM will need more shots and Giannis needs to barrel into MFers more often is ridiculous.. we should be riding this Dame train and playing off the ridiculous gravity all over the court as soon as he crosses mid-court..

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Post#1586 » by Plossum » Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:24 am

We should not be trading that pick. We’ve got a lot more problems than trading that pick can solve.
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Post#1587 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:00 pm

Frank Nova wrote:Okay, so if we’re actually gonna trade the 2031 1st, who’s the best realistic target?

Is Brandin Podziemski really available in GSW? Is he a POA defender or more of an 1 way offensive player? Hes trending on fanspo as the #1 player being involved in trade suggestions. Would he be a good target?


He wasn't booked as a defender at draft time, but I was shocked at how well he defended the POA. Loved his offense in the draft but didn't like his fit for us because I didn't believe in the defense, but I do now.

He's has had a slow start this year, and his minutes are way down, but I'd still be surprised if he's available. If he is, I'd love to land him. Steve Kerr had always been a Portis fan, but making the money work is tricky because all of GSWs mid sized contracts are getting good minutes there.
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Post#1588 » by German Athens » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:26 pm

Donte has had a rough start in Minny.

I wonder if we could pry him free with that 1st.
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Post#1589 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:28 pm

Horst won't be here in 2031, hell our owners probably won't be either. That pick will be traded. I disapprove.
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Post#1590 » by German Athens » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:34 pm

An all nba perimeter defender could help us quite a bit, particularly one that’s versatile, but just seeing “perimeter defender” does make me worried that we’re misdiagnosing our biggest issues.

Ajax has been quite solid defensively to start the year. If we trade for someone who’s marginally better at the point of attack, but doesn’t offer us more versatility beyond Ajax, I’d be bummed.

We desperately need a rangy forward - Eason, Jaden mcdaniels, toumani, etc. - or a versatile big - Isaac.
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Post#1591 » by soxperry » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:14 pm

Plossum wrote:We should not be trading that pick. We’ve got a lot more problems than trading that pick can solve.


Its already gone, bruh

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Post#1592 » by Ron Swanson » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:18 pm

Fine with trading the pick but you better be putting at least Top-5 protection on it.
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Post#1593 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:20 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Horst won't be here in 2031, hell our owners probably won't be either. That pick will be traded. I disapprove.


Let the fans in Nashville deal with it.

But no, I don’t want them dealing the pick.
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Post#1594 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:33 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Fine with trading the pick but you better be putting at least Top-5 protection on it.


The value of the pick skyrockets if it's unprotected. Better get a young player on the rise with it though.
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Post#1595 » by Frank Nova » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:38 pm

Horst just seems like he’s chasing the magic dragon with this draft pick. Who’s the needle moving POA defender that plays on a team that doesn’t want him? Seems more like a fairy tale to me. We could’ve taken a chance on Dyson Daniels or something a long those lines but with Horst being so bad at drafting, do you trust him to evaluate break out candidates on other teams? I’m just not buying it….

I hope he surprises us and does something miraculous that all the fans universally are excited about AND pans out on the floor but I’m highly skeptical to say the least.
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Post#1596 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:45 pm

Team has to prove they can play ball at a .600 clip (48 win pace) or better before doing any win now stuff.
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Post#1597 » by crowhead76 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:02 pm

Pat and the 2031 2nd for Paul Reed.

Reed is eligible to be traded on 11/20 I believe.

Bucks in: Nesmith, Reed
Pistons in: Portis, Pat, Isaiah Jackson, Bucks 2031 2nd
Pacers in: Beef Stew, Marjon

Bucks sign Ryan Rollins to open roster spot

Dame | Rollins | Wright | Johnson
Nesmith | GTJ | Green
Middleton | AJJ | Livingston
Giannis | Prince | Smith
Lopez | Reed

I believe this might also get them under the 2nd apron
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Post#1598 » by German Athens » Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:07 pm

Some guys who have been recently traded for 1 first:

Josh Hart (lottery protected + thybulle), pj Washington (top 2 protected) but got back 2 2nds as well, Daniel gafford (knew at the time that it would be a pick after 25), Terry rozier (lottery protected)

Derrick white was traded for a first (at the time very likely to be outside the lottery) and a swap, and was one of the biggest steals of the last 5 years.
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Post#1599 » by PG Graveyard » Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:06 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Horst won't be here in 2031, hell our owners probably won't be either. That pick will be traded. I disapprove.


We all probably won’t be here. For the right player I say go for it. We need to find a Derrick White type somehow
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Post#1600 » by soxperry » Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:36 pm

Its still pretty early. Id like to give it 30 games before we trade that pick for something that could already be on the team. Id also like to see what happens with Khris.

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