76ers @ Magic 11/15/2024 It's Getting Late Early

[DCasey91]

I think we’d be much better with Yabu at center

The issue is that he's horrible as a rim protector, so we basically give runs to the rim not stop when he stays there.

We need a back up center, same issue as always

Inject Double O into my veins. If we are serious and going for the playoffs (not that I think its a good idea btw) I'm moving mountains to get Sexy Eason

Maxey
Mccain
George
Eason
Embiid

Martin
Okongwu

Now... Now we are cooking with gas. But I'm still going for the moon with Flagg. If not get these two or I won't be happy at all. But yeah I've been on the Double O train for a long ass time

I wanted Payton, I wanted Brunson before 2020 playoffs, I wanted Joe to stay

Morey if you're reading this pls get one of my boys ffs.

[Negrodamus]

While I have gripes with Nurse’s rotations, him committing to McCain for huge minute is actually a breath of fresh air.

[Murray_17]

While I have gripes with Nurse’s rotations, him committing to McCain for huge minute is actually a breath of fresh air.

I'm not that impressed until he commits to it after Maxey is back, tbh.

I also think he should be the PG but i think Nurse is gonna force Maxey on that role when he's back.

Our defense sucks anyway, just say "**** it" and play both together 30 minutes

[the_process]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

He can figure it out all he wants. Math says they aren't even getting to 50 wins now. The idea they're going to "flip a switch" and make a run from the play-in is asinine. This team does not have the heart and they are not battle tested.

[blargh]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

He can figure it out all he wants. Math says they aren't even getting to 50 wins now. The idea they're going to "flip a switch" and make a run from the play-in is asinine. This team does not have the heart and they are not battle tested.

They didn’t get to 50 wins last year either: did you really think we were going to have a better regular season this year, given all the not-subtle hints about load management?

Like I said, we’re in better shape than we were before Game 1. That still doesn’t mean we’re on par with the Celtics, but we’ll have a puncher’s chance.

[the_process]

I must be the only one much more optimistic about this season than I was before Game 1.

All this other nail biting about rotations and schemes and role players is ultimately meaningless. If you hit a lottery like McCain that is an actual difference maker.

And please: Joel will figure it out. We literally have this same conversation every season about his slow starts.

He can figure it out all he wants. Math says they aren't even getting to 50 wins now. The idea they're going to "flip a switch" and make a run from the play-in is asinine. This team does not have the heart and they are not battle tested.

They didn’t get to 50 wins last year either: did you really think we were going to have a better regular season this year, given all the not-subtle hints about load management?

Like I said, we’re in better shape than we were before Game 1. That still doesn’t mean we’re on par with the Celtics, but we’ll have a puncher’s chance.

Yes, they were absolutely supposed to have a much better regular season.

Discussing having any shot against Boston, even at full strength, is ridiculous at this point.

[M2J]

While I have gripes with Nurse’s rotations, him committing to McCain for huge minute is actually a breath of fresh air.

I'm not that impressed until he commits to it after Maxey is back, tbh.

I also think he should be the PG but i think Nurse is gonna force Maxey on that role when he's back.

Our defense sucks anyway, just say "**** it" and play both together 30 minutes

Agreed... I'm not sure what he's going to do with the lineups. But Nurse has always utilized Maxey well off ball... Even tries it with Lowry for as many minutes as Kyle can stand when Joel is out.... and for that 1.5 games ran through Paul George instead of Maxey. Question is how much will Joel hold the ball so they can run their DHO game or will Nurse finally adjust his offense?

When Nurse was an assistant with Toronto that 1 year, he was essentially there to install this offense. He took Lowry and DeRozan off ball to move without and shoot more 3s and they were better for it. With of course some iso ball from demar and then kawhi.

So essentially, I think it's going to look a lot like it did in the 1st quarter where Jared wasn't very involved until the 2nd quarter when the offense became his. Which is in part why I think he'll do better off the bench where he can be less structured. But still getting 30 minutes a game

As far as Maxey with a full roster, I think he should be the guard they look for to bring the ball up considering he's a 1 man fast break. Let him try one speed pick and roll to get him down hill. If nothing is there or the defense prevents that action, get it out of his hands and get him on the move. Let McCain cook

[Murray_17]

Another point...

Our defense is already bad, there is no point in playing lineups with Caleb AND Oubre. At this point is like lineups playing Ben Simmons and a center.

You NEED to stagger them, it destroy any possible spacing

[SixthStreet]

Our defense is already bad, there is no point in playing lineups with Caleb AND Oubre. At this point is like lineups playing Ben Simmons and a center.

You NEED to stagger them, it destroy any possible spacing

I agree. McCain and Yabusele (to a lesser degree) give you the option of playing one or the other. I like Martin's floor game better so I'd reduce Oubre's minutes and make him earn them, or minimize them when he's not providing efficient enough scoring.

[youngcrev]

Another point...

Our defense is already bad, there is no point in playing lineups with Caleb AND Oubre. At this point is like lineups playing Ben Simmons and a center.

You NEED to stagger them, it destroy any possible spacing

Yeah. Honestly, Oubre might end up as trade fodder if they want a guy making around 20M or so. Drummond might too.

[Negrodamus]

I don’t think we can do much better than Yabusele without trading multiple firsts. He’s the best PF on this team and does the things Embiid and PG aren’t willing to do: effort, rebounding, play off ball. Him and McCain fix many of the rebounding issues we have with Embiid on the court. The Maxey, McCain, PG, Yabusele, Embiid lineup is the best on the team, imo and we can keep one of Maxey or McCain on the court at all times.

[M2J]

I don’t think we can do much better than Yabusele without trading multiple firsts. He’s the best PF on this team and does the things Embiid and PG aren’t willing to do: effort, rebounding, play off ball. Him and McCain fix many of the rebounding issues we have with Embiid on the court. The Maxey, McCain, PG, Yabusele, Embiid lineup is the best on the team, imo and we can keep one of Maxey or McCain on the court at all times.

Agreed on the Yabu front. Not sure a DFS type guy is needed with him being here plus his ability to put a body on guys and box out is the real fix to the rebounding. That's why it's still a bit better with Joel on the court... He puts a body on guys... even if he doesn't get it. We'll see if Yabu shooting touch maintains. Still watching the fit defensively in space. The only possible trade they clearly need (is Oubre or Martins) for a star type 3 & D. But max money Paul George could theoretically fill that role too given a reduced offensive load.

Everything can't be about space IMO, particularly when you have guys willing to take shots and can be streaky... But also willing to just score, get to the rim, and look for cuts like both Oubre and Martin. I like one of them on the court as a point of attack guy. My question is more so between both Oubre and Martin, or one of them with Yabu or one of them with Jared.

The "Big 3"when they're going is going to create a hell of a lot of space and open 3s. Which would be lethal playing 5 shooters with Yabu and McCain.... Offensively they should perfection.... But likely one of the worst defenses. Oubre proved last year when Joel and Maxey were playing, he can take advantage of that both from 2 and hitting 3s....43% from 3 I think in the playoffs when Knicks were overplaying the stars. Martin has proven to be that same type of player in big games... Again coming from a team where the stars didn't play many games until the playoffs. I would imagine it will help Yabu as well.


Joel is not even in game shape after knee swelling... Not from ramping up. But truth be told the defense had been okay in the 2 games he's played and they've been in the games until he's gassed in the late 3rd and 4th.... George gets gassed too. His offense and likely defense falls off later. Knicks didn't get many foul shots, didn't convert 3s and turned it over too. Their offense has tanked then teams run on them

So really the idea that they can't fix their defense or truly any ideas about this team and it's lineups mean nothing until you know what you have with Joel where he's saying he feels good, but is clearly out of shape. The team is and has been the years built around him not Maxey, not PG.... even if this year is an improvement.

Only things I can't take away from this season so far is. Jared is legit... Yabu is legit as a 4 primarily or 5 (5 only when he's got lengthy defenders around him AKA PG, Martin, Kelly or Council or Kenyon Martin). Nick Nurse is what I thought he was... The 2021Toronto Raptors coach