Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[Scase]

5th pick in this draft still means you're getting someone like edgecombe, which would be insane lol.

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

[PhilBlackson]

Show me another player that's been #1 in two drafts. He's been vetted more than anybody in this draft.

The only thing that stands in Flagg's way of being a superstar is his jumper.

Some make an inaccurate comparison to Scottie (who's a much better passer) but Flagg is already way ahead in creating off the dribble but still his issue is he's not a reliable shooter at this point. But if (maybe when) his jumper improves he has all the other intangibles to be a star. If he can get his 3pt shooting over 36+% and have a good pull up in the mid-range then he can become a superstar, if not he should still be at least an all-star level player.

I don't know why it is people think he can't shoot. I think it's the highlight packages, they show Ace shooting a lot, and Cooper dunking.

Both are going to be 40% at some point in their career.

No one is saying he CAN'T shoot but that he must improve as a shooter, there's a difference.

IE/ Ben Simmons can't shoot, Scottie can but needs to improve (to be clear Coop is well ahead of where Scottie started).

But no you can't just lump Coop & Ace together as shooters. Ace is clearly ahead as a shooter and has shown much better range and ability to shoot off balance, from various angles and to make much more contested jumpers. Whereas Flagg is likewise ahead of Bailey as a ballhandler.

But it's not just some "narrative" I'm creating. If you actually take time to read his scouting reports and/or watch his unedited highlights of his misses, his shot is sometimes WAYYY off because his jumper isn't quite there yet and it clearly needs some work. It's not a knock to acknowledge his weakness anymore than it is to acknowledge Ace's handle. Both guys need to work on those areas if they want to become superstars.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The only thing that stands in Flagg's way of being a superstar is his jumper.

Some make an inaccurate comparison to Scottie (who's a much better passer) but Flagg is already way ahead in creating off the dribble but still his issue is he's not a reliable shooter at this point. But if (maybe when) his jumper improves he has all the other intangibles to be a star. If he can get his 3pt shooting over 36+% and have a good pull up in the mid-range then he can become a superstar, if not he should still be at least an all-star level player.

I don't know why it is people think he can't shoot. I think it's the highlight packages, they show Ace shooting a lot, and Cooper dunking.

Both are going to be 40% at some point in their career.

No one is saying he CAN'T shoot but that he must improve as a shooter, there's a difference.

IE/ Ben Simmons can't shoot, Scottie can but needs to improve (to be clear Coop is well ahead of where Scottie started).

But no you can't just lump Coop & Ace together as shooters. Ace is clearly ahead as a shooter and has shown much better range and ability to shoot off balance, from various angles and to make much more contested jumpers. Whereas Flagg is likewise ahead of Bailey as a ballhandler.

But it's not just some "narrative" I'm creating. If you actually take time to read his scouting reports and/or watch his unedited highlights of his misses, his shot is sometimes WAYYY off because his jumper isn't quite there yet and it clearly needs some work. It's not a knock to acknowledge his weakness anymore than it is to acknowledge Ace's handle. Both guys need to work on those areas if they want to become superstars.

Ace has a pleasing shot, while Flagg's shot is more functional. He uses it to initiate his drive. They shoot about the same percentages.

[ArthurVandelay]

Who do you guys like if we get the fifth pick?

Ban for negativity

How am I being negative? Most lottery sims have us dropping to fifth. I get we all want Cooper or Bailey, but I'm wondering what other players besides the top picks should we be looking at?

Dylan Harper
Egor Demin
Tre Johnson
VJ Edgecomb
Mackenzie Mgbako
JT Toppin
Noa Essengue
Asa Newell
Will Riley

In addition to Flagg and Ace, those are the guys at the top of my board early.

[DelAbbot]

Who do you guys like if we get the fifth pick?

Ban for negativity

How am I being negative? Most lottery sims have us dropping to fifth. I get we all want Cooper or Bailey, but I'm wondering what other players besides the top picks should we be looking at?

For not believing in us getting the 1st overall pick

[Mr Funk]

Knowing you'll at least get one of Flagg, Bailey, Harper, Traore, Edgecombe would make all the losing absolutely worthwhile.

What about Devin?

[Brinbe]

Knowing you'll at least get one of Flagg, Bailey, Harper, Traore, Edgecombe would make all the losing absolutely worthwhile.

What about Devin?

Demin's intruiging and definitely in the mix too. The more options, the better.

[Phezmo123]

5th pick in this draft still means you're getting someone like edgecombe, which would be insane lol.

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

who's edgecombe's player comp?

[tanuki1031]

Simmed the lottery ten times just now and Rapts won #1 2/10, #2 1/10, #4 1/10, #5 6/10.

Somehow in the same sims Pels climbing up to get both #1 & #2 picks came up twice as did 6ers getting #1 thrice

THE FIX IS IN SCREW YOU NBA

[PushDaRock]

5th pick in this draft still means you're getting someone like edgecombe, which would be insane lol.

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

Correct, even better when we lose the play in game and still win the lottery. We get the best player and everyone gets valuable experience, win win scenario.

[Scase]

5th pick in this draft still means you're getting someone like edgecombe, which would be insane lol.

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

Correct, even better when we lose the play in game and still win the lottery. We get the best player and everyone gets valuable experience, win win scenario.

Yeah, that's definitely more likely than losing the play in, getting no experience, and getting the 9th or 10th pick. Man every single team is stupid for not doing this every season.

Side note, enjoy the losses.

[Scase]

5th pick in this draft still means you're getting someone like edgecombe, which would be insane lol.

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

who's edgecombe's player comp?

I've seen Jalen Green, Westbrook, multiple Wade's, Oladipo. If that gives you any kinda idea.

[PushDaRock]

Probably best that we push for the play in, just think of how important that experience will be for the guys to develop!

Correct, even better when we lose the play in game and still win the lottery. We get the best player and everyone gets valuable experience, win win scenario.

Yeah, that's definitely more likely than losing the play in, getting no experience, and getting the 9th or 10th pick. Man every single team is stupid for not doing this every season.

Side note, enjoy the losses.

We all have our different fantasies.

[PhilBlackson]

Seeing Demin play....you legit can't lose if you get a top 3 in this draft.

[Ell Curry]

Coop’s athleticism/length isn’t really jaw dropping like the high school highlights indicate and he got stripped rather easily so i feel he may have small hands as well. I mean, nit picky stuff but obviously that makes a difference when you talk about super star or perennial star.

Show me another player that's been #1 in two drafts. He's been vetted more than anybody in this draft.

The only thing that stands in Flagg's way of being a superstar is his jumper.

Some make an inaccurate comparison to Scottie (who's a much better passer) but Flagg is already way ahead in creating off the dribble but still his issue is he's not a reliable shooter at this point. But if (maybe when) his jumper improves he has all the other intangibles to be a star. If he can get his 3pt shooting over 36+% and have a good pull up in the mid-range then he can become a superstar, if not he should still be at least an all-star level player.

It's dumb to project, but I feel like his median outcome is that he's a better but not elite scoring version of Kirilenko/Marion/Iguodala type guy who can handle like Iguodala and rebound and block shots like Marion, pass like Kirilenko (better than Marion, worse than Iggy), or in modern terms about as good as Tatum because he makes more plays on D and is tougher, but maybe without quite the same scoring ability (say a 23-25 pt guy, not a 28-30 pt guy).

I guess I'm just saying basically Scottie Pippen but better at big man stuff and worse at point guard stuff.

I know that seems like a stretch, but he's 17 and this summer some coaches at the select team were saying he's already better than Keegan Murray, Trey Murphy, Suggs and Brandon Miller and those guys are generally ranked between 50-90 or so in the league, and if you're a that good at age 17, odds are you're a top 30 guy by 20 or so and then a top 5 or at least top 10 guy in the league by your prime if you improve at a normal rate.

[Chandan]

No gonna lie this draft is feeling a bit like the tampa year draft but bit stronger.

Cade who was touted as the unanimous first pick the whole year and he had plenty of hype, then there are other hyped prospects sprinkle across the top 5 like mobley, suggs and jalen green.

[ItsDanger]

Raps are 16.5 pt dogs tonight vs Celtics. Vegas has spoken.

Since 2003, only 7 point spreads have been -20 or worse. Let's make history this season.

[Appostis]

Just need the Wizards and Jazz to get a few wins ..

It's the Pelicans that worry me

They'll eventually get healthy... hopefully.

[Clutch0z24]

Simmed the lottery ten times just now and Rapts won #1 2/10, #2 1/10, #4 1/10, #5 6/10.

Somehow in the same sims Pels climbing up to get both #1 & #2 picks came up twice as did 6ers getting #1 thrice

THE FIX IS IN SCREW YOU NBA

Yeah it is weird with the number 1 pick odds ....Even in the real NBA Lottery since they switched the odds the Number 1 pick odds tends to get screwed more often than not....Pistons had top pick odds for a couple years and only got it once in 2021....Ended up moving down to 5 most the times....

Only good thing about being 1 is you can't go lower than 5....But it seems a team in the 5-8 spots jump up more than not and take a spot in the top...Lets just hope we are the team that don't lose their spots in the top 3

[RealFaction]

Simmed the lottery ten times just now and Rapts won #1 2/10, #2 1/10, #4 1/10, #5 6/10.

Somehow in the same sims Pels climbing up to get both #1 & #2 picks came up twice as did 6ers getting #1 thrice

THE FIX IS IN SCREW YOU NBA

Yeah it is weird with the number 1 pick odds ....Even in the real NBA Lottery since they switched the odds the Number 1 pick odds tends to get screwed more often than not....Pistons had top pick odds for a couple years and only got it once in 2021....Ended up moving down to 5 most the times....

Only good thing about being 1 is you can't go lower than 5....But it seems a team in the 5-8 spots jump up more than not and take a spot in the top...Lets just hope we are the team that don't lose their spots in the top 3

Looking at Tankathon's past draft results, the last time the worst team in the league won the first pick was 2018 Suns with Ayton. That was the last year before they changed to flat odds for the top 3 worst teams. So since the 2019 draft (six drafts now), the team that finished last place hasn't won the first pick. Pistons had same odds as Rockets (14%), but they were actually 2nd last in standings and jumped from 2 to 1 in the Cade draft. Someone has to break that drought at some point, so if we somehow remain last place for the rest of the season, it might as well be us.

On the other hand, since the 2019 draft, three teams have always moved up every year since they changed the lottery from top 3 to top 4, so...