The big man rotation

[playa-hater]

Lobs aside, I wonder if Queta will always be a weak finisher. He seems to have little touch.

Sure. But he is a better finisher than Kornet
And a better rim protector and rebounder

Kornet is funnier though. And he knows the drills

Sometimes you need a fighter in the paint (IND and DET stroll to the paint games come to mind) where Queta is better suited IMO

Glad we have all of our bigs for the added versatility

And please stop using the double big lineup, unless Al is one of them

Kornet's a better defender by a pretty wide margin. Queta is regularly clueless out there. Is he better this year? We'll see. But it's not been close until now.

Also not sure what you're using to determine that Queta is a better finisher than Kornet. Luke is better by the numbers.

Is the bold a serious statement?? Saying Kornet is a better defender is wrong.. But to say by a wide Margin?? Even if the point is Kornet can recognize rotations faster than Queta doesn't count because Kornet has a huge head start that some playing time and experience will catch Queta up real fast. Queta's energy inside and outside on defense has clearly stood at more than anything Kornet has done in years. At least in my eyes.

[fallguy]

Sure. But he is a better finisher than Kornet
And a better rim protector and rebounder

Kornet is funnier though. And he knows the drills

Sometimes you need a fighter in the paint (IND and DET stroll to the paint games come to mind) where Queta is better suited IMO

Glad we have all of our bigs for the added versatility

And please stop using the double big lineup, unless Al is one of them

Kornet's a better defender by a pretty wide margin. Queta is regularly clueless out there. Is he better this year? We'll see. But it's not been close until now.

Also not sure what you're using to determine that Queta is a better finisher than Kornet. Luke is better by the numbers.

Is the bold a serious statement?? Saying Kornet is a better defender is wrong.. But to say by a wide Margin?? Even if the point is Kornet can recognize rotations faster than Queta doesn't count because Kornet has a huge head start that some playing time and experience will catch Queta up real fast. Queta's energy inside and outside on defense has clearly stood at more than anything Kornet has done in years. At least in my eyes.

Queta has played like six games for the Celtics where he was anything but a liability on defense.

Is that changing this year? Maybe. But it's not close up 'til now.

[playa-hater]

Kornet's a better defender by a pretty wide margin. Queta is regularly clueless out there. Is he better this year? We'll see. But it's not been close until now.

Also not sure what you're using to determine that Queta is a better finisher than Kornet. Luke is better by the numbers.

Is the bold a serious statement?? Saying Kornet is a better defender is wrong.. But to say by a wide Margin?? Even if the point is Kornet can recognize rotations faster than Queta doesn't count because Kornet has a huge head start that some playing time and experience will catch Queta up real fast. Queta's energy inside and outside on defense has clearly stood at more than anything Kornet has done in years. At least in my eyes.

Queta has played like six games for the Celtics where he was anything but a liability on defense.

Is that changing this year? Maybe. But it's not close up 'til now.

Liability is Not due to ability or lack thereof but experience level. In the "6 games" I have already seen a far better ceiling for Queta defensively and am surprised that there is anyone left that doesn't see it as well for Big Q..

In time this shouldn't even be a discussion.

[Gant]

AdamTaylorNBA‬‬

Luke Kornet has played 390 possessions over Boston's first 11 games. When on the court, opposing teams score 118.9 points per 100 possessions.

Neemias Queta has played 411 possessions. When on the court, opposing teams score 104.7 points per 100.

Boston is +14.2 points better defensively with Queta at the 5 than Kornet.

In terms of offense, the C's are +0.4 better with Queta than Luke...but I do think Luke is better for their rhythm -- at least for now.

Still, I thought this was a fun fact.

https://bsky.app/profile/adamtaylornba.bsky.social/post/3layd3ohzhs25

[Homerclease]

Kornet has Semi Ojeleye syndrome in which he’s a very smart positional defender and rarely out of place but does virtually nothing to impact the ballhandler when it’s time for the shot to go up. Not as much as a traffic cone as Semi was but Queta is just far more impactful when it comes to altering shots. He makes many more mistakes and is out of position much more often but the positives outweigh the negatives. They need to keep force feeding Queta minutes. Kornet can help his cause by incorporating his ability to shoot back into his game

[Bad-Thoma]

AdamTaylorNBA‬‬

Luke Kornet has played 390 possessions over Boston's first 11 games. When on the court, opposing teams score 118.9 points per 100 possessions.

Neemias Queta has played 411 possessions. When on the court, opposing teams score 104.7 points per 100.

Boston is +14.2 points better defensively with Queta at the 5 than Kornet.

In terms of offense, the C's are +0.4 better with Queta than Luke...but I do think Luke is better for their rhythm -- at least for now.

Still, I thought this was a fun fact.

https://bsky.app/profile/adamtaylornba.bsky.social/post/3layd3ohzhs25

I think this probably has to do with Q being able to guard closer to the 3pt line, the Kornet Kontest hasn't been a rousing success. I seldom agree with Playa-hater (he's from Florida and I have priniciples) but I do think that getting Q minutes is probably going to pay dividends later in the year and in the meantime he's not hurting us. With Al's age and KP's fragility it's fantastic to have them both. As 3rd and 4th bigs we couldn't ask for much more and they don't have totally redundant skillsets (defensively) so they allow for some match up manipulation as well.

[playa-hater]

AdamTaylorNBA‬‬

Luke Kornet has played 390 possessions over Boston's first 11 games. When on the court, opposing teams score 118.9 points per 100 possessions.

Neemias Queta has played 411 possessions. When on the court, opposing teams score 104.7 points per 100.

Boston is +14.2 points better defensively with Queta at the 5 than Kornet.

In terms of offense, the C's are +0.4 better with Queta than Luke...but I do think Luke is better for their rhythm -- at least for now.

Still, I thought this was a fun fact.

https://bsky.app/profile/adamtaylornba.bsky.social/post/3layd3ohzhs25

I think this probably has to do with Q being able to guard closer to the 3pt line, the Kornet Kontest hasn't been a rousing success. I seldom agree with Playa-hater (he's from Florida and I have priniciples) but I do think that getting Q minutes is probably going to pay dividends later in the year and in the meantime he's not hurting us. With Al's age and KP's fragility it's fantastic to have them both. As 3rd and 4th bigs we couldn't ask for much more and they don't have totally redundant skillsets (defensively) so they allow for some match up manipulation as well.

well we all have our Faults.. You just stated yours

EDIT - I live in Florida.. But I am originally from the Mecca of BB.. NYC!

[playa-hater]

Kornet has Semi Ojeleye syndrome in which he’s a very smart positional defender and rarely out of place but does virtually nothing to impact the ballhandler when it’s time for the shot to go up. Not as much as a traffic cone as Semi was but Queta is just far more impactful when it comes to altering shots. He makes many more mistakes and is out of position much more often but the positives outweigh the negatives. They need to keep force feeding Queta minutes. Kornet can help his cause by incorporating his ability to shoot back into his game

If there was only one word or phrase I could use on why I like Queta > Kornet you said it..

[Fierce1]

I wonder if Joe would try a triple big lineup.

KP, Al, Q, JB, and JT on the court at the same time.

[Gant]

I wonder if Joe would try a triple big lineup.

KP, Al, Q, JB, and JT on the court at the same time.

Tall ball.

[redslastlaugh]

Kornet/Queta is a little bit “shades of Theis/Rob”. I like what Queta brings to the table and prefer him to Kornet, but I was a Rob guy as well back in Brads last season coaching when Theis would get the call.

I also like Tillman, especially in certain playoff matchups. That said, it’s a little troubling that Tillman + Tatum has been net rating -11 in 43 minutes. Generally a high IQ big, even a non-shooting player, will have strong positive net ratings with JT. I think Oshae + Tatum was best two man netrating last playoffs. So it’s definitely concerning that he is stinking it up even on court with JT

[darrendaye]

Tillman's teammates can best help him get on track by improving their play to get a blowout or two this week.

Queta has a lot to clean up. I'm interested to see if he is a DNP in the next couple weeks or will Kornet, in Tillman opportunity games. I'm glad he's getting tested, for now. Happy to have Kornet play when they need a more disciplined player out there. But I hope they continue to focus on Queta's development and improving his decision making.

[Parliament10]

Kornet/Queta is a little bit “shades of Theis/Rob”. I like what Queta brings to the table and prefer him to Kornet, but I was a Rob guy as well back in Brads last season coaching when Theis would get the call.

I also like Tillman, especially in certain playoff matchups. That said, it’s a little troubling that Tillman + Tatum has been net rating -11 in 43 minutes. Generally a high IQ big, even a non-shooting player, will have strong positive net ratings with JT. I think Oshae + Tatum was best two man netrating last playoffs. So it’s definitely concerning that he is stinking it up even on court with JT

Tillman seems lost this year, so far. May have something to do with his Off-season operation?
But, he was (or is) able to switch off onto 1-5 at times.

Tillman's teammates can best help him get on track by improving their play to get a blowout or two this week.

Queta has a lot to clean up. I'm interested to see if he is a DNP in the next couple weeks or will Kornet, in Tillman opportunity games. I'm glad he's getting tested, for now. Happy to have Kornet play when they need a more disciplined player out there. But I hope they continue to focus on Queta's development and improving his decision making.

Yes. Queta is 25, Kornet is 29, born same month. Queta has a lot more upside, though he's more raw or unpolished.
Kornet just knows what to do and where to be, more so. Though, Kornet doesn't have the ability that Queta does.

Queta really does appear to be able to become a Starter in the future.

[phincsfan]

Kornet/Queta is a little bit “shades of Theis/Rob”. I like what Queta brings to the table and prefer him to Kornet, but I was a Rob guy as well back in Brads last season coaching when Theis would get the call.

I also like Tillman, especially in certain playoff matchups. That said, it’s a little troubling that Tillman + Tatum has been net rating -11 in 43 minutes. Generally a high IQ big, even a non-shooting player, will have strong positive net ratings with JT. I think Oshae + Tatum was best two man netrating last playoffs. So it’s definitely concerning that he is stinking it up even on court with JT

Tillman seems lost this year, so far. May have something to do with his Off-season operation?
But, he was (or is) able to switch off onto 1-5 at times.

Tillman's teammates can best help him get on track by improving their play to get a blowout or two this week.

Queta has a lot to clean up. I'm interested to see if he is a DNP in the next couple weeks or will Kornet, in Tillman opportunity games. I'm glad he's getting tested, for now. Happy to have Kornet play when they need a more disciplined player out there. But I hope they continue to focus on Queta's development and improving his decision making.

Yes. Queta is 25, Kornet is 29, born same month. Queta has a lot more upside, though he's more raw or unpolished.
Kornet just knows what to do and where to be, more so. Though, Kornet doesn't have the ability that Queta does.

Queta really does appear to be able to become a Starter in the future.

XMan always seemed to get minutes in Memphis. Definitely a different role this season and the emergence of Neems had alot to do with him keeping the bench warm. Stay ready crew.

[phincsfan]

How expendable does XMan become at the deadline when KP comes back? The big man rotation would be KP, AL, Neems and Luke. Can you package Springer and XMan for a salary that you can in turn waive? That's like 6.2mil. The playoff push rotation would be JT, JB, Jrue, White, AL, KP, PP, Sam, Neems, Luke, Walsh.

[Fierce1]

How expendable does XMan become at the deadline when KP comes back? The big man rotation would be KP, AL, Neems and Luke. Can you package Springer and XMan for a salary that you can in turn waive? That's like 6.2mil. The playoff push rotation would be JT, JB, Jrue, White, AL, KP, PP, Sam, Neems, Luke, Walsh.

2nd apron teams can't package players.

It has to be 1 for 1 trades with equal salaries or Boston getting a player with less salary than the player they are sending out.

[Gant]

Mazzulla says there will be more double bigs. With the versatile roster, in certain situations they might even give a guard a few less minutes by inserting an extra big guy.

With more reliable back ups this season, Horford and Porzingis could play together in games they're both active. Porzingis could be paired with pretty much anyone except probably Kornet.

Let your imagination run free.


Bobby Krivitsky-

Mazzulla: "When we're completely healthy, that allows us to play different lineups, like more double big."

Bobby Manning-

Neemias Queta is looking forward to playing with Kristaps Porzingis now that he’s back, and notes they logged minutes together last year too.

[ConstableGeneva]

While Mazzulla will try more double-big lineups, it's worth noting that lineups with Tatum were significantly more effective when there's only a single big.

SINGLE BIG
w/ Hauser: +21.3 net
no Hauser: +15.7 net

DOUBLE BIG: +1.7 net

Maybe that changes since KP is superior to any of the bigs we used in the double big configs, we'll see. All of these are small samples for now anyway. Better to rely on eye test at this point. This is the time to experiment with lineup combos. We may need to rely on a double big lineups depending on certain matchups.

[threrf23]

While Mazzulla will try more double-big lineups, it's worth noting that lineups with Tatum were significantly more effective when there's only a single big.

SINGLE BIG
w/ Hauser: +21.3 net
no Hauser: +15.7 net

DOUBLE BIG: +1.7 net

Maybe that changes since KP is superior to any of the bigs we used in the double big configs, we'll see. All of these are small samples for now anyway. Better to rely on eye test at this point. This is the time to experiment with lineup combos. We may need to rely on a double big lineups depending on certain matchups.

Not that we aren't necessarily at a disadvantage when Joe pairs Al with Queta (maybe just so Al can direct Queta on defense),

But traditionally we are simply better when Tatum is paired with lower usage role players.

You say +21.3 where Tatum is paired with a single big + Hauser, but per nba.com we are +23.7 with simply Tatum & Hauser paired together.

Looking at two big + Tatum lineups which have played more than 20 minutes together...

A. Horford - J. Holiday - J. Tatum - D. White - N. Queta = +23.7

A. Horford - J. Brown - J. Tatum - D. White - N. Queta = -8.9

Small sample sizes of course.

[Parliament10]

I think that the Big-Man Rotation/Depth Chart has shifted.

Porzingis is the obvious Lead Big-Man.
Horford comes in next, and Starts when Zinger is OUT.
Queta & Kornet seem to be situational now. Both are 3rd-Level. I'd love to see these guys take 3's, when wide open.
Tillman has dropped down to 5th on the Depth Chart. He's more of a PF, in any case. Still seems a bit hampered, from the surgery?