Is Jamal Murray washed?

[jokeboy86]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

Who would want him now with his contract? Its hillarious how they saw him play in multiple big tournaments and still decided to give him 50 mil a season extension instead of getting rid of him...

Small market title syndrome. Denver felt they had to be loyal to the 2nd best player on their championship team no matter his skill level especially since they drafted him. Bucks are in the same boat with Middleton. They should've traded Middleton but resigned him last year even with all his injury issues and now they're probably stuck with him because they're afraid that Giannis will throw a fit if they get rid of him at this point.

[Wolfgang630]

Booker hasn’t been good. Please trade Booker for Murray…..too bad the Suns will say no.

[QPR]

Even at his athletic peak his shot diet was way too skewed towards taking tough jumpers.

[The High Cyde]

Booker hasn’t been good. Please trade Booker for Murray…..too bad the Suns will say no.

What really? Booker is that bad this season?

[AleksandarN]

So Murray played like crap last game he then thought it was a good idea to go to New York the night before the next game in Memphis tomorrow to watch mma. Wtf Jamal.

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[Exp0sed]

6 months ago, before the injury, he was playing great.
too early to know if this is his new normal or what

He was never playing great. He was just hot in a couple of playoff games where his dumb shots kept falling in. He was always a slow, dumb chucker that hit a lucky streak.

that was after his injury. post ASG he average 22.6/6.6 with .61ts.
if Denver get 90% of that Murray back, they are a tier 1 contender

Last season the league average TS% was 58% and that includes bench players and scrubs

Seeing as Murray is a below average passer, rebounder, defender etc and volume scoring is his only above average skill i'd argue that 22 pts on 61 ts% is nothing to write home about and most def isn't worth a max or anywhere near that

You could plug in 50 different replacement level type PG\SG combo guards who could score 22 on 61% next to Jokic, including ones that can be retained for a fraction of what Murray costs

Doing what he did in those two playoff runs, 25-30\6\6 on good efficiency - that's def valuable but 22 on 61 is pretty easy to replace and at less cost

Not to mention if you can replicate say..80% of that production at 20% cost then you could divert the saved cap space to improve the team in areas of need and the net effect would far exceed what rs Murray brings to the table for the Nuggets


Horrible extention that immediately became an albatross contract. No Nba team is touching that contract with a 10 ft. pole

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[Exp0sed]

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

I am not the Nuggs FO either, but try to look it from the other perspective.
Imagine being the GM of any team that might want Murray. What team is that? What would you offer?
If Denver is trading him, that automatically tanks his value. Why should I bet on him when his own team doesn't believe he can recover? That would be basically a salary dump.

Hmm well yes you are correct from the other sides perspective. That is true for many teams, but it’s not like it’s never happened before, maybe Murray is wanted to become a low key tank commander, cause I don’t think he’d lead a team anywhere, he’s just not good enough consistently and is injury prone. This other team would want to rebuild somehow. Maybe the Hawks with Trae? I could maybe see Lillard if Milwaukee wants to reset, they barely have anything else to trade. The options are slim for sure, its why I said it would take some magic to make it happen. Murray would for sure have to play better here to remotely make any of this happen.

But really, this is on the Nugs front office for handing him that extension, it’s just too much. You could say Murray is money in the playoffs, but I don’t think you can bank on that, he’s injured too often. I don’t know, it seems the franchise is stuck with him. Best you can hope for is he stays healthy long enough with good to great production in the regular season, and turning it up in the postseason.

It's ludicrous to argue that he's "money" in the playoffs seeing as just this summer, he posted 20\4\6 on a putrid 47 ts%, dude got to the line two times per game and that's over 39 mpg!

[KingFox]

Playing with a guy like Jokic typically makes everyone’s life a lot easier. Shooting 39 percent from the field is crazy

[Ryoga Hibiki]

He was never playing great. He was just hot in a couple of playoff games where his dumb shots kept falling in. He was always a slow, dumb chucker that hit a lucky streak.

that was after his injury. post ASG he average 22.6/6.6 with .61ts.
if Denver get 90% of that Murray back, they are a tier 1 contender

Last season the league average TS% was 58% and that includes bench players and scrubs

Seeing as Murray is a below average passer, rebounder, defender etc and volume scoring is his only above average skill i'd argue that 22 pts on 61 ts% is nothing to write home about and most def isn't worth a max or anywhere near that

You could plug in 50 different replacement level type PG\SG combo guards who could score 22 on 61% next to Jokic, including ones that can be retained for a fraction of what Murray costs

Doing what he did in those two playoff runs, 25-30\6\6 on good efficiency - that's def valuable but 22 on 61 is pretty easy to replace and at less cost

Not to mention if you can replicate say..80% of that production at 20% cost then you could divert the saved cap space to improve the team in areas of need and the net effect would far exceed what rs Murray brings to the table for the Nuggets


Horrible extention that immediately became an albatross contract. No Nba team is touching that contract with a 10 ft. pole

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no, you can't. there are likely 10 and they require a max slot... assuming they are available, when they obviously wouldn't.
Look, if Murray is the Murray of the second part of last season he's a borderline all star and the Nuggets are going to be more than fine. Even at that price.
If he isn't the Nuggets are cooked, whatever happens. They would have had zero chances to sign a second star, at this point.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

So Murray played like crap last game he then thought it was a good idea to go to New York the night before the next game in Memphis tomorrow to watch mma. Wtf Jamal.

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I mean the head coach is allowed to miss games to go watch a volleyball game so I can’t really blame Murray here. He’s not missing the game like Malone. I realize it’s his daughter but I don’t recall a coach missing a game for something like that before.

[guynumber45]

Jokic is really wasting one of the best primes we've seen in league history on this clownshow of an organization. Tragic that he's gonna end his career like Dirk. He's got his one championship and now has to watch his organization tear about that championship team with stupid decisions every offseason.

[Alatan]

So Murray played like crap last game he then thought it was a good idea to go to New York the night before the next game in Memphis tomorrow to watch mma. Wtf Jamal.

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I mean the head coach is allowed to miss games to go watch a volleyball game so I can’t really blame Murray here. He’s not missing the game like Malone. I realize it’s his daughter but I don’t recall a coach missing a game for something like that before.

I think that Malone just wanted to dodge the criticism for not winning against scrubs without Jokic.

[zimpy27]

Jokic is really wasting one of the best primes we've seen in league history on this clownshow of an organization. Tragic that he's gonna end his career like Dirk. He's got his one championship and now has to watch his organization tear about that championship team with stupid decisions every offseason.

Nuggets have done better than most to assemble talent.

On plenty of other organisations he never wins a ring.

[uncleduck13]

Jamal Murray was always a CJ McCollum level player who just so happened to have a couple of playoff runs where he performed beyond his level and was elevated to the status of a star despite never coming close to making an All-Star / All-NBA team. He’s a streaky player who can get hot at the right time, against the right matchups, and look like something he’s not for a 2 month stretch.

[dc]

Jokic is really wasting one of the best primes we've seen in league history on this clownshow of an organization. Tragic that he's gonna end his career like Dirk. He's got his one championship and now has to watch his organization tear about that championship team with stupid decisions every offseason.

When you win a title with relatively young guys, you have to pay them even if they're not quite as good as their new salary (Warriors with Poole for ex.) Just kind of how it is. Jokic has been so good making people around him better that he's made them "look" better than they actually are. Then they won it all, so the Nugz had to pay up.

Murray is looking like he's not quite as good as we thought, but at least the guy made legit contributions when it mattered.

And it's also the reality of how the NBA/salary cap works. If the Nugz decided not to pay Murray, it's not as if they'd easily have a better replacement lined up. Bucks overpaid in a lot of peoples' eyes to keep Middleton because they didn't have a viable alternative to it. They ended up winning a title.

[Zadeh]

no, you can't. there are likely 10 and they require a max slot... assuming they are available, when they obviously wouldn't.
Look, if Murray is the Murray of the second part of last season he's a borderline all star and the Nuggets are going to be more than fine. Even at that price.
If he isn't the Nuggets are cooked, whatever happens. They would have had zero chances to sign a second star, at this point.

Yes we can, actually I already did before

I wonder Butlers stats with Jokic and Murray stats without Jokic. Probably Butler stats goes up %50 pct, murray's goes down to 50% at least. +-10


Stefen Curry (55)
Tyrese Maxey (35)
LaMelo Ball (35)
Trae Young (43)
Damian Lillard (48)
Bradley Beal (50)
Luka Doncic(43)
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (35)
Devin Booker (49)
Cade Cunningham (14)
Dennis Schroder (13)
Kyrie Irving (41)
Zach Lavine (43)
Jalen Brunson (24)
Tyler Herro (29)
De'Aaron Fox (34)
Jaden Ivey (8)
Derrick White (20)
Ja Morant (36)
Coby White (12)
Darius Garland (36)
Donovan Mitchell (35)
Tyrese Haliburton (42)
Collin Sexton (18)
Jrue Holiday (30)
D'Angelo Russell (18)
Chris Paul (10)
Fred VanFleet (42)
Anthony Edwards (42)
Desmond Bane (34)
Cj McCollum(33)

I can count at least ten more but I am boring now.

All of them much better with jokic then Murray. Only one player Curry earn more than murray.

Murray without Jokic and with SGA became is a below average bench player against much worse players.
Jokic covers all the defects of Murray. How many times in a game murray dosen't pass to ball in an offense ?
How many times in a game he lost ball with unnecessary forcing ?

Denver has a one of the all time great offensive player without selfishness. And How many times jokic return to defense without touching the ball ? because of Murray ?

And nuggets frontoffice is worst of the all time, they looses their best bench players, then replace him a average bench player, after they loose their starter then replace him average bench player, and fill their bench with worst shooter and lowest IQ player in nba.

Without Jokic denver cant win more then 15 games. And they have 50 million per year player.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Looking forward to his response to the inevitable question from the media of “Are you healthy?” Because it’s a thinly veiled way of saying “You can’t possibly be this bad right? Something else must be going on?”

[Wolfgang630]

This dude is more like Flip Murray

[Hobo4President]

Maybe, will take some time to see but if he can't turn it around Denver is screwed.

[ChuckChilly]

This dude is more like Flip Murray

Flip Murray was one of my favorite players. His handle and layup package was nasty.