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ConstableGeneva wrote:
I don't understand any of this but Tatum is the best player in the universe.
(Derrick White a top 10 player except we already knew that.)
Bar Fight wrote:
return2glory wrote:Bar Fight wrote:
He is the least clutch superstar that I have ever seen. I've big saying for years that Tatum chokes in big moments of close games in the 4th quarter. I want White and Jrue to take those shots. Once in a while, Brown.
return2glory wrote:Bar Fight wrote:Spoiler:
He is the least clutch superstar that I have ever seen. I've been saying this for years that Tatum chokes in big moments of close games in the 4th quarter. I want White and Jrue to take those shots. Once in a while, Brown.
bisme37 wrote:Just stumbled upon this GB gem from a few years ago haha. What exactly makes Tatum more talked about/ranked higher than Pascal Siakim??
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1810891
bisme37 wrote:return2glory wrote:Bar Fight wrote:Spoiler:
He is the least clutch superstar that I have ever seen. I've been saying this for years that Tatum chokes in big moments of close games in the 4th quarter. I want White and Jrue to take those shots. Once in a while, Brown.
If you've been saying that for years you've been wrong.
bisme37 wrote:return2glory wrote:Bar Fight wrote:Spoiler:
He is the least clutch superstar that I have ever seen. I've been saying this for years that Tatum chokes in big moments of close games in the 4th quarter. I want White and Jrue to take those shots. Once in a while, Brown.
If you've been saying that for years you've been wrong.
While Tatum’s shot electrified TD Garden and his teammates, it’s nothing new for the five-time All-Star.
JT The Closer: Since the 2019-20 season, Tatum has hit seven game-winning shots in the last five seconds of a game (regular season and Playoffs)
His seven game-winners in the final five seconds are the most by any NBA player in that span, followed by Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (6), Luka Dončić (5) and Ja Morant (5)
bisme37 wrote:Another game winner from the least clutch superstar we've ever seen.While Tatum’s shot electrified TD Garden and his teammates, it’s nothing new for the five-time All-Star.
JT The Closer: Since the 2019-20 season, Tatum has hit seven game-winning shots in the last five seconds of a game (regular season and Playoffs)
His seven game-winners in the final five seconds are the most by any NBA player in that span, followed by Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (6), Luka Dončić (5) and Ja Morant (5)
ConstableGeneva wrote:bisme37 wrote:Another game winner from the least clutch superstar we've ever seen.While Tatum’s shot electrified TD Garden and his teammates, it’s nothing new for the five-time All-Star.
JT The Closer: Since the 2019-20 season, Tatum has hit seven game-winning shots in the last five seconds of a game (regular season and Playoffs)
His seven game-winners in the final five seconds are the most by any NBA player in that span, followed by Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (6), Luka Dončić (5) and Ja Morant (5)Spoiler:
Not surprised with how some Celtics fans view him as un-clutch.
This is what happens. JT gets the ball a lot in those situations. We watch a ton of his games, for some all of his games. We naturally will see more misses than makes (it literally happens with *name any superstar here*). We then DON'T watch every game of other superstars. We only see highlights of them making clutch shots from YT or social media or whatever. In our mind, those superstars make more of these types of shots when in reality, they miss a ton of them too.
Anyone with a paid subscription from Stathead can look up any particular clutch scenario they want. JT does fine in the clutch relative to his peers.
bisme37 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:bisme37 wrote:Another game winner from the least clutch superstar we've ever seen.Spoiler:
Not surprised with how some Celtics fans view him as un-clutch.
This is what happens. JT gets the ball a lot in those situations. We watch a ton of his games, for some all of his games. We naturally will see more misses than makes (it literally happens with *name any superstar here*). We then DON'T watch every game of other superstars. We only see highlights of them making clutch shots from YT or social media or whatever. In our mind, those superstars make more of these types of shots when in reality, they miss a ton of them too.
Anyone with a paid subscription from Stathead can look up any particular clutch scenario they want. JT does fine in the clutch relative to his peers.
I swear some people just seem to look at his face and think he's wuss or something. And then when watching him play they filter it through that bias and only notice the bad plays instead of the good ones. I love the kid so I probably do the opposite haha. But I mean, the stats and results and the stats and results. He's clutch.
ConstableGeneva wrote:Not surprised with how some Celtics fans view him as un-clutch.
This is what happens. JT gets the ball a lot in those situations. We watch a ton of his games, for some all of his games. We naturally will see more misses than makes (it literally happens with *name any superstar here*). We then DON'T watch every game of other superstars. We only see highlights of them making clutch shots from YT or social media or whatever. In our mind, those superstars make more of these types of shots when in reality, they miss a ton of them too.
Anyone with a paid subscription from Stathead can look up any particular clutch scenario they want. JT does fine in the clutch relative to his peers.
return2glory wrote:bisme37 wrote:return2glory wrote:
He is the least clutch superstar that I have ever seen. I've been saying this for years that Tatum chokes in big moments of close games in the 4th quarter. I want White and Jrue to take those shots. Once in a while, Brown.
If you've been saying that for years you've been wrong.
Not wrong. I said close games in the 4th quarter. As in 4th quarter in general, especially the last 6 minutes of close games in the 4th quarter. But thanks for your effort in going all out to try to prove someone wrong by presenting weak stats that fit your narrative. Watch the games. Every Celtic game and you will see what I'm talking about. Including the game tonight vs the Raptors, were in was scoreless in the 4th and bricked a game winning shot. Luckily he redeemed himself with a game winner. That game winner was also a bad shot, with the game tied and he takes a 26 footer. I will take it. Gave Boston the win and hopefully he gains confidence on big shots in the 4th quarter of close games going forward.
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Not surprised with how some Celtics fans view him as un-clutch.
This is what happens. JT gets the ball a lot in those situations. We watch a ton of his games, for some all of his games. We naturally will see more misses than makes (it literally happens with *name any superstar here*). We then DON'T watch every game of other superstars. We only see highlights of them making clutch shots from YT or social media or whatever. In our mind, those superstars make more of these types of shots when in reality, they miss a ton of them too.
Anyone with a paid subscription from Stathead can look up any particular clutch scenario they want. JT does fine in the clutch relative to his peers.
It's the same reason people think their franchise players is inconsistent compared to the other stars. They only ever hear about guys on other teams when they have monster games/make big shots but they see all the good, bad and ugly games from their own team. It's a classic example of survivorship bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias).return2glory wrote:bisme37 wrote:
If you've been saying that for years you've been wrong.
Not wrong. I said close games in the 4th quarter. As in 4th quarter in general, especially the last 6 minutes of close games in the 4th quarter. But thanks for your effort in going all out to try to prove someone wrong by presenting weak stats that fit your narrative. Watch the games. Every Celtic game and you will see what I'm talking about. Including the game tonight vs the Raptors, were in was scoreless in the 4th and bricked a game winning shot. Luckily he redeemed himself with a game winner. That game winner was also a bad shot, with the game tied and he takes a 26 footer. I will take it. Gave Boston the win and hopefully he gains confidence on big shots in the 4th quarter of close games going forward.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around what you are trying to say. Tatum is a bad clutch player except in the clutchest situtations where he posts excellent numbers. Is that the gist of it ?
