Political Roundtable Part XXXIII

[Bonscott]

i for one am shocked that a bruins fan is terrified at the idea of another black president.

I'm not terrified of another black president,I just don't want 4 more years of stupidity
Although the democrat way is to be ignorant and pull the race card at every damn thing,you fools need to open your eyes to reality about the idiots you put in DC

[DCZards]

I'm not terrified of another black president,I just don't want 4 more years of stupidity
Although the democrat way is to be ignorant and pull the race card at every damn thing,you fools need to open your eyes to reality about the idiots you put in DC

Oh…like the idiot who sucks up to Putin and other tyrants…or the one who wanted to execute 5 innocent men because he KNEW they were guilty…or the one who told us that disinfectant would cure covid…or the idiot who had his followers storm the Capitol after he lost an election. Got ya!

[dckingsfan]

The point? Until we have a medium that educates, we will have an ignorant voting population. And anger (and the dinosaur brain in us) wins.

Yes, a medium that educates would help…but only so much. People have to want to be educated. That starts with an open mind.

Oftentimes, it is easier to believe charlatans like Trump and embrace their lies and half-truths when what that are spewing aligns with your current view of the world and your opinion of people who don’t look, talk, dress, or worship like you.

Sigh.

The Medium is what allows Trump, MAGA, state actors, etc. to broadcast the message that gets those folks you mention to vote.

But it also suppresses those that might vote for you because it is so difficult to be educated on the various issues.

Note that the vote count was down not up due to apathy and our ignorant voters which was primarily drive by the medium.

Point? Ds will continue to lose until the Medium changes or they adapt to the Medium. It isn't about the messaging and it isn't about those that don't have an open mind. It is about reaching those that do - and the Ds don't have a strategy on this (not even a bad one). Hence, their tactics and logistics that support the tactics don't work.

Or as Sun Tzu would say, tactics without strategy is just the noise before defeat.

[closg00]

Something to keep an eye on, swings states used Elon’s Starlink and he supposedly said that votes could be changed with one line code.

Read on Twitter

[doclinkin]

Something to keep an eye on, swings states used Elon’s Starlink and he supposedly said that votes could be changed with one line code.

Read on Twitter

Right. And I’m the misguided paranoid one. You will never need to vote again.

[Kanyewest]

This interview at 37 min in is a must listen

Astead reveals a lot about what happened after the 2022 midterm

https://www.youtube.com/live/6JpCR9HEzHs?si=uzRWvzdxWmKiota9

Interesting that in the 2020 primary that someone's top 2 choices were Sanders and Bloomberg given how diametrically opposed they were.

[dobrojim]

Bonscott has a very selective memory. The list of completely inappropriate and harmful things
Golfy McBonespurs did in his first term... too hard to remember them all.
2 of the worst although it's hard to choose:
1. Trusting Putin/Russia more than our intelligence services
2. His response to covid. He didn't want testing because it would make him look bad.

Bonscot is either being paid by Rooskies, a mentally defective
(malignant narcissist like Golfy) or both.

I think George Conway is right. Golfy wants to destroy us.
His cabinet picks are pretty clear evidence of such.
The scariest part about this is how reliant we are on complete
toadies and sycophants to mitigate the damage.

Go to the end of this vid (last minute)

Watch on YouTube

Too bad everything I posted is completely true,facts suck don't they Einstein ?

for the record, here is what you wrote that we (I) were specifically responding to-

Democrats want black power,if someone else thinks they just want the best person for the job then democrats label them racist
You democrats need to wake up as to why Trump is moving back in to the White House
Harris was installed by the democrats after one of the worst 4 years in modern history,democrats waited far too long to figure out that Trump would beat Biden so there were no primaries,they just forced her one the people
I'm not a Trump lover I didn't even vote for him in the primaries(oh right democrats don't know what primaries are)
It was an easy choice who to vote for,this country doesn't need 4 more years of this

You simply claimed these things as facts. You never provided any documentation for any of it.

1. Democrats want "black power". if someone else thinks they just want the best person for the job then democrats label them racist

Which democrats said this? Which other dems supported this? Please give an example of this happening. Does the GOP
think Gaetz, Gabbard, RFKjr or Hegseth (to name a few) are the "best people for the job"?

2.Harris was installed by the democrats after one of the worst 4 years in modern history,democrats waited far too long to figure out that Trump would beat Biden so there were no primaries,they just forced her one the people.

It's true that Biden should have withdrawn earlier to enable a normal process.
It's also true that as far as cognitive decline goes, there is an abundance of evidence
from the campaign in spite of much sane-washing that all is not well with the pres-elect
based on things he said and did during the campaign ie the weave, and playing a playlist
for nearly 40 minutes at a rally.

The 'worst 4 years in modern history' would be a tight race between the last 2 GOP presidents
with Golfy getting the nod based his combination of ignorant things he believed ie incompetence
and inexperience and/or tried to do while president and the corruption he oversaw. He presided over
the most corrupt administration in our 240 year history measured by the number of Cab secretaries that
resigned in disgrace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations


He was the first president in about 100 years to preside over net job losses due to his
narcissistic approach to covid (don't test, it'll make me look bad), inject bleach, put lights inside
the body, use of proven ineffective treatments/cures. The economy was in shambles by
the time he left office after first trying to effect a coup (unprecedented in our history).
In trying not to 'look bad', he facilitated a much worse disaster than was necessary
resulting in an estimated increase in mortality of several hundred thousand.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy

https://progressive.org/latest/donald-trumps-actual-record-on-covid19-lueders-20240405/

This URL includes a timeline of what Golfy actually did

January 2017: Days before Trump’s Inauguration, members of his administration are briefed by outgoing Obama Administration officials on the need to prepare for a pandemic. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross reportedly dozes off; others grouse about having to attend.

May 2018: Trump disbands the White House agency charged with planning for a pandemic and reassigns its top official. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” says one Trump team member.

January to August 2019: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services conducts a training exercise for a hypothetical respiratory virus that begins in China and spreads rapidly to the United States. A draft report identified multiple failings in the government’s ability to respond. Nothing is done about it.

January 10, 2020: Former Homeland Security Adviser Tom Bossert, sacked by President Donald Trump in 2018, warns in a tweet: “We face a global health threat,” imploring the nation to “Coordinate!”

January 11: Chinese scientists post the genome of the new coronavirus, and within a week German virologists produce the first diagnostic test for the disease.

January 18: Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar briefs Trump in a phone call on the potential seriousness of COVID-19.

January 22: Asked at a press conference if he is worried about a pandemic, Trump replies, “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control.”

the record doesn't get better after that.

Fact check gave him credit for a couple good things but the overall record was not good.

The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

The economy lost 2.7 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%.
Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.4% after inflation.
After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 36.3% from 2016.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 25%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.3%.*
Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

* I should confess that these were actually good things even if they were the opposite of
what he had promised to do. They were caused by market forces.

[montestewart]

You got more patience than me, Jim. I’ve had it with debating subjective stream-of-Trumpian-consciousness spews. Free of facts, freed from facts, and immune to facts, all that’s left is hurt feelings and pumped up “in your face” gloating.

Walking around the mall yesterday, I saw a pickup truck with 3-4 frat bro types yelling through a megaphone. The part I caught was making fun of a visiting family in a really lame faux-Indian accent (the family looked South Asian, don’t know where they were from). These guys thought they were hilarious. Maybe just a coincidence, but I don’t recall seeing such a thing around the mall. We’ll probably be seeing more of it.

[pancakes3]

an economist on NPR projected increased interest rates for the next 4 years because it's forecasted that under a Harris administration the national debt would increase by ~3-4 trillion (based on gov spending expanding infrastructure bill, CHIPS, IRA, and forays into GND) and under Trump it would increase by ~7 trillion (based on expanding TCJA, military spending, and repealing ACA).

for context, debt was increasing at ~3 trillion for Obama 2 and went up to 7.5 trillion under Trump 1 ($4T for 2019-2020 alone). Went up ~ 10 trillion under Biden, $800B of which was PPP loans alone.

[dobrojim]

Right 'cakes

We've known for some time that pubs hate govt (deficit) spending when they are
out of power and love govt deficit spending spending when they are in power.
This was true going back at least as far as Ronnie Raygun who famously hated taxes but
loved spending more.

The last POTUS to have a budget surplus was Slick. The first dumb thing Frat boy did was
eliminate the surplus before being busy clearing brush or reading to kindergartners while
we were being attacked.

[Zonkerbl]

I think for the Dems to fully buy into the kayfabe game the Republicans are playing, they need to really lean in to being faces to Democrats but heels to Republicans. Absolutely embrace all the things the Republicans accuse them of. Roll out trans leaders to be the representative of the party. Loudly and publicly support defunding the police, loudly and publicly condemn NetenyaTrump, loudly and publicly support whatever evil thing the Republicans accuse them of. Eating cats. Whatever. Just cartoonishly throw whatever it is back in their face and be like "yeah we're the evil bad guys who eat cats!!! What are you going to do about it??!?!?! MWUHAHAHAHAAA"

[Wizardspride]

https://newrepublic.com/post/188284/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-election-obligations

Putin Aide Issues Ominous Warning About Trump’s New “Obligations”


Speaking with Russian state media on Monday, Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev noted that while the U.S. election may be over, Trump is still beholden to “certain forces.”

“To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations,” Patrushev told the business daily Kommersant in response to a question about whether the outcome of the presidential election would bode well for Russia. “As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”

That statement was elevated by Tass, the Russian news agency.

[AFM]

"As a responsible person"

[Zonkerbl]

lol the gerrymandered super majority in Ohio is going to get rid of the income tax entirely and replace it with consumption tax - basically a huge transfer of cash from the poor to the rich. Congratulations, idiots who just voted for Trump - the trans member of Congress can't go to the bathroom! Hope it's worth getting your pocket picked!

[AFM]

That's good though. Something about owning the libs.

[dobrojim]

Gaetz withdraws as per NYT.

Fingers crossed his resignation from Congress was non-rescindable.

Of course the next nominee will also be horrible.
And the next congressperson from that district will also be horrible,
assuming Gaetz has left and is replaced.

[Zonkerbl]

Gaetz withdraws as per NYT.

Fingers crossed his resignation from Congress was non-rescindable.

Of course the next nominee will also be horrible.
And the next congressperson from that district will also be horrible,
assuming Gaetz has left and is replaced.

Am I appropriating black culture by saying "Bye Felicia!"?

DeSantis has to order a special election. Gaetz will get the seat back eventually.

[TGW]

lol the gerrymandered super majority in Ohio is going to get rid of the income tax entirely and replace it with consumption tax - basically a huge transfer of cash from the poor to the rich. Congratulations, idiots who just voted for Trump - the trans member of Congress can't go to the bathroom! Hope it's worth getting your pocket picked!

I'm not an economist, but isn't a consumption tax going to push poor people to save more and spend less on frivoulous crap?

As long as it's a japanese style consumption tax (exceptions for necessities such as food), I don't see the problem.

[closg00]

Dump will hook Gaetz up with another high profile position that does not require him going-through the confirmation process, that or he’ll end-up on Fox News like racist Detective Mark Furmam did after the OJ trial.

[AFM]

Gaetz literally looks like a Dick Tracy villain maybe Terd can hire him to come out at halftime and get shot in the face by G Wiz with a T Shirt cannon