Week 11: Seahawks @ 49ers

[Jikkle]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

[Big J]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

The D held them to 20 points. That's damn good. The O only scoring 17 points was the issue.

[thesack12]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

Disgustingly un-clutch.

Unfortunately it goes beyond this season. Offense took the lead on its final 3 possessions in the Super Bowl. Defense coughed up the lead on its final 4 possessions.

But yes, its sure looking Sorenson is not him. That guy just runs the same crap regardless of situation or down and distance. He's either unwilling or unable to make adjustments.

[Jikkle]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

The D held them to 20 points. That's damn good. The O only scoring 17 points was the issue.

The offense has its share of the blame for sure but regardless of how many points they scored the D was handed a 4-point lead at the end of the game. You can't allow them to drive down 80 yards with 11 plays with 2:38 to go to win the game. That's just not what good defenses do.

It would be easier to forgive if this wasn't a consistent trend but the defense has had frequent problems in 4th quarters this season. In fact the only game we won where the defense closed it out was the Dallas game. All the other wins have the game was decided by the end or in the case of the Bucs game it was still a defensive meltdown the offense just got the ball last and was able to kick the FG to win.

It's like having a closer in baseball blow a 1-0 lead in the 9th. Sure you should've scored more runs but you have a good closer to win those tight games.

[Big J]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

The D held them to 20 points. That's damn good. The O only scoring 17 points was the issue.

The offense has its share of the blame for sure but regardless of how many points they scored the D was handed a 4-point lead at the end of the game. You can't allow them to drive down 80 yards with 11 plays with 2:38 to go to win the game. That's just not what good defenses do.

It would be easier to forgive if this wasn't a consistent trend but the defense has had frequent problems in 4th quarters this season. In fact the only game we won where the defense closed it out was the Dallas game. All the other wins have the game was decided by the end or in the case of the Bucs game it was still a defensive meltdown the offense just got the ball last and was able to kick the FG to win.

It's like having a closer in baseball blow a 1-0 lead in the 9th. Sure you should've scored more runs but you have a good closer to win those tight games.

I guess. They were exhausted from carrying the load all game and plus Bosa was on the sidelines for that drive.

[RIPskaterdude]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

The D held them to 20 points. That's damn good. The O only scoring 17 points was the issue.

Seattle is a terrible team, why is holding them to 20 good?

[Big J]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

The D held them to 20 points. That's damn good. The O only scoring 17 points was the issue.

Seattle is a terrible team, why is holding them to 20 good?

Because they average 23 points per game. We held them under that.

[clyde21]

this D has too many decent players to be this **** bad situationally and in the clutch, over and over and over again. not just a Sorenson issue, these gaps existed last season as well with Wilks but the offense made up for a lot of it and this season it's gotten worse. just total lack of focus and discipline and that's 100% on coaching.

maybe it's the brain drain on that side of the ball with Saleh and Ryans leaving back to back, and general lack of detail plaguing all units...maybe at this point we really should just use to get everyone healthy and better draft picks and try to bring back Saleh for next season.

[CrimsonCrew]

The team has been super sloppy all year. Not doing the little things. In this one, we had so many penalties on offense just killing drives. It's awfully tough to convert 1st and 25s. It seemed like every time we got a little momentum, we'd have some mistake that just blew things.

OL was AWFUL in this one, committing about five big holding penalties and a couple false starts to boot. Deebo and Pearsall did nothing. I'd have to re-watch the play, but on the INT, Deebo completely loafed on his motion, clearly demonstrating that he was a decoy only. If he ran hard toward the sideline and actually executed a viable fake, maybe he draws the defenders over a bit and it opens things up for McCaffrey.

Obviously losing Bosa hurts, but we've got to be able to beat that team even with injuries. They have one of the worst OLs in football, were missing their best tackle and their starting center, and we still couldn't stop them when it counted.

[thesack12]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

To further expand on this....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42455676/49ers-blow-lead-suffer-latest-infuriating-loss-seahawks

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the 49ers have three divisional losses when leading in the final two minutes of regulation, which is tied for the most such losses by a team in a season since the 1970 merger.

San Francisco's three late-game letdowns have come in just four chances, and the Niners are tied with the 2001 Carolina Panthers, 2000 Los Angeles Chargers, 1996 Baltimore Ravens and 1994 Washington Commanders as the only teams to have that many defeats in those situations on the résumé.

We have entered historic levels of choke jobs.

This sure is a damn depressing season.

[49er4life1979]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

To further expand on this....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42455676/49ers-blow-lead-suffer-latest-infuriating-loss-seahawks

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the 49ers have three divisional losses when leading in the final two minutes of regulation, which is tied for the most such losses by a team in a season since the 1970 merger.

San Francisco's three late-game letdowns have come in just four chances, and the Niners are tied with the 2001 Carolina Panthers, 2000 Los Angeles Chargers, 1996 Baltimore Ravens and 1994 Washington Commanders as the only teams to have that many defeats in those situations on the résumé.

We have entered historic levels of choke jobs.

This sure is a damn depressing season.

Depressing season indeed. The holdouts, players getting shot, injuries. Just not our season. At this point, as much as I want them to win and will always cheer for them, I also would not mind the best draft pick possible. And I really truly hope that we didnt pay the wrong receiver (Aiyuk instead of Jennings). With more playing time, Jennings has shown to be a beast. I guess time will tell. But in the offseason they need to draft/sign a C and a RT. Enough is enough with makeshift players at key positions. Also a DT is a pressing need obviously. As for yesterday's game:

1. Jordan Mason should definitely have gotten more carries. Splitting caries with CMC. CMC just doesnt have his legs back yet, though he did look better yesterday than last week. Mason will be a RFA in the off-season. Do they tender him? They are already paying CMC.

2. Runs/jet sweeps to Deebo do not work anymore. They do not fool anyone anymore. They havent since 2021. Why Kyle is still calling them is beyond me.

3. Need more speed at WR position to take the top off defenses. Jacob Cowing needs to get more playing time down the stretch especially if we lose a couple more.

4. Juszczyk is holding back this offense. Go with CMC and either Mason/Guerendo in the same backfield. Show something new.

[zman1]

Some thoughts:  everyone is understandably ripping the d for giving up the game losing drive, but isn't that awfully common in today's NFL?  Give a team 2:38 and 2 timeouts and they are too likely to score. Analysts are always saying that you can't give them the ball back with too much time left.

Solution:  keep the ball by committing to a 4 down drive in that situation.   We ran on first down, lost a yard, needed to throw to get a first down.   But not so much if you look at as first and 11 with 3 tries to get there.  Even if we failed on 4th and 6, they only net an extra 22 yards on the exchange.   On the other hand,  if we get it we almost certainly win. There was an article today saying our punt by analytics was very cowardly, one of worst of the year.

Special teams failed again there at the end.  Any punter who is getting paid should have been able to drop that last punt inside the 10, not into the end zone.

CMC is not helping the offense yet, averaging 3.7 per carry.   Mason should have been in there at the end.  Deebo is averaging 2.9 yards per run. Enough of that.

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[zman1]

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That's not even including the near miss they had against the Cowboys in the 4th quarter where they allowed back to back 70 yard TD drives with CeeDee completely torching them.

To further expand on this....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42455676/49ers-blow-lead-suffer-latest-infuriating-loss-seahawks

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the 49ers have three divisional losses when leading in the final two minutes of regulation, which is tied for the most such losses by a team in a season since the 1970 merger.

San Francisco's three late-game letdowns have come in just four chances, and the Niners are tied with the 2001 Carolina Panthers, 2000 Los Angeles Chargers, 1996 Baltimore Ravens and 1994 Washington Commanders as the only teams to have that many defeats in those situations on the résumé.

We have entered historic levels of choke jobs.

This sure is a damn depressing season.

Depressing season indeed. The holdouts, players getting shot, injuries. Just not our season. At this point, as much as I want them to win and will always cheer for them, I also would not mind the best draft pick possible. And I really truly hope that we didnt pay the wrong receiver (Aiyuk instead of Jennings). With more playing time, Jennings has shown to be a beast. I guess time will tell. But in the offseason they need to draft/sign a C and a RT. Enough is enough with makeshift players at key positions. Also a DT is a pressing need obviously. As for yesterday's game:

1. Jordan Mason should definitely have gotten more carries. Splitting caries with CMC. CMC just doesnt have his legs back yet, though he did look better yesterday than last week. Mason will be a RFA in the off-season. Do they tender him? They are already paying CMC.

2. Runs/jet sweeps to Deebo do not work anymore. They do not fool anyone anymore. They havent since 2021. Why Kyle is still calling them is beyond me.

3. Need more speed at WR position to take the top off defenses. Jacob Cowing needs to get more playing time down the stretch especially if we lose a couple more.

4. Juszczyk is holding back this offense. Go with CMC and either Mason/Guerendo in the same backfield. Show something new.

Agreed, just not our year.

How about jet sweeps to Pearsall or Cowing? Pearsall's one went for 40 yards. Kyle is not really adapting well to changed results.

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[clyde21]

i honestly don't know where to begin w/ this team...single worst unit in the NFL which is our STs., injuries all over the place, an OL that has regressed across the board and its best player is 36 years old, complete brain drain on defense with our 4th DC in 4 years, general lack of discipline and focus across the entire org.

just one of those years from hell and maybe we need this year to happen for the org to regroup and refigure priorities. sometimes teams have to take a step back to take two forward.

[49er4life1979]

To further expand on this....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42455676/49ers-blow-lead-suffer-latest-infuriating-loss-seahawks



We have entered historic levels of choke jobs.

This sure is a damn depressing season.

Depressing season indeed. The holdouts, players getting shot, injuries. Just not our season. At this point, as much as I want them to win and will always cheer for them, I also would not mind the best draft pick possible. And I really truly hope that we didnt pay the wrong receiver (Aiyuk instead of Jennings). With more playing time, Jennings has shown to be a beast. I guess time will tell. But in the offseason they need to draft/sign a C and a RT. Enough is enough with makeshift players at key positions. Also a DT is a pressing need obviously. As for yesterday's game:

1. Jordan Mason should definitely have gotten more carries. Splitting caries with CMC. CMC just doesnt have his legs back yet, though he did look better yesterday than last week. Mason will be a RFA in the off-season. Do they tender him? They are already paying CMC.

2. Runs/jet sweeps to Deebo do not work anymore. They do not fool anyone anymore. They havent since 2021. Why Kyle is still calling them is beyond me.

3. Need more speed at WR position to take the top off defenses. Jacob Cowing needs to get more playing time down the stretch especially if we lose a couple more.

4. Juszczyk is holding back this offense. Go with CMC and either Mason/Guerendo in the same backfield. Show something new.

Agreed, just not our year.

How about jet sweeps to Pearsall or Cowing? Pearsall's one went for 40 yards. Kyle is not really adapting well to changed results.

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Pearsall and Cowing would definitely be better on jet sweeps than Deebo. Guy is slower and past his prime. Definitely not part of our future core.

[CrimsonCrew]

I think a lot goes back to coaching decisions. I still support Kyle as HC, but we need to see some pretty major changes this offseason unless we have an improbable turnaround this season (and we would probably have to run the table to do that). STs and D coodinators need to go. We need an overhaul of the dropback passing game. We need an overhaul of the defense.

We're just way too predictable at this point. The defense does the same thing over, and over, and over even though it doesn't work. We had them facing 3rd and 12 with a real chance to put the game away, and we gave up a big play yet again. Later, let them convert a 3rd and 4 to take the lead initially. Then we barely had any resistance on the final drive. Dumb TO on the first down pass to Metcalf.

For those saying the defense wore down, we won TOP by about six minutes. They ran more plays, but barely (57 to 59). No excuse for the D to be lagging, and no excuse not to try to mix things up and make a play. And we can't stop the run when it counts. It's a shame, because I thought Gross-Matos actually had a nice game, but we need him to complement Bosa, not be out there by himself.

On offense, we're so easy to defend at this point. You can literally put your worst coverage DB in man against Deebo and you render him useless. Jennings is great, but he's not a big play guy. When Kittle isn't there, it's even worse. I'd love to see more of Pearsall and Cowing to get some explosiveness out there, but Pearsall got a lot of snaps and no looks in this one. OL...no words in this one. They were appalling.

[Jikkle]

Defensive scheme needs to be completely scrapped. All you have to do is look at Carroll's last few seasons with the Seahawks to see our defense is heading if not already in that spot of being consistently mediocre. Scheme is amazing when you have enough high-end talent to run it but it's just not realistic to maintain that level of high-end defensive talent for an extended length of time. Not to mention the scheme has been floating around for over a decade and offenses have long adapted to beat it.

Biggest issue with this defense as I see it is it does very little to stress offenses mentally. We straight up rush 4 guys 90% of the time and usually when they do blitz they line up a 5th on the line that's easy for the offense to pick up. Look at our offensive line vs the Vikings and Bucs and see how much pressure they created by confusing our offensive line and look at opposing offenses against our defense where nobody is stressed or confused as to what they are seeing out there.

Offensively Shanahan has got to do an autopsy of his offense. It's not irredeemably broken but defenses have completely crippled the offense by shutting down the middle of the field which is hurting the running game and killing the passing game because the middle is where Shanahan wants the ball to go.

The passing attack is designed to scheme guys open and get the ball in their hands to get YAC. Deebo has lost a step but his skillset has always been getting schemed open and becoming dangerous with the ball in his hand and room to run. So Shanahan's passing game needs to learn some new tricks and might need a WR overhaul to get guys less YAC monsters and more pure WRs that can themselves open.

I'll be massively disappointed in Shanahan this offseason if his only move is to fire the ST coach and carry on as usual. My fear is he's just got that kind of personality where he doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing but guys just aren't executing it the way they should.

[Pattersonca65]

Defensive scheme needs to be completely scrapped. All you have to do is look at Carroll's last few seasons with the Seahawks to see our defense is heading if not already in that spot of being consistently mediocre. Scheme is amazing when you have enough high-end talent to run it but it's just not realistic to maintain that level of high-end defensive talent for an extended length of time. Not to mention the scheme has been floating around for over a decade and offenses have long adapted to beat it.

Biggest issue with this defense as I see it is it does very little to stress offenses mentally. We straight up rush 4 guys 90% of the time and usually when they do blitz they line up a 5th on the line that's easy for the offense to pick up. Look at our offensive line vs the Vikings and Bucs and see how much pressure they created by confusing our offensive line and look at opposing offenses against our defense where nobody is stressed or confused as to what they are seeing out there.

Offensively Shanahan has got to do an autopsy of his offense. It's not irredeemably broken but defenses have completely crippled the offense by shutting down the middle of the field which is hurting the running game and killing the passing game because the middle is where Shanahan wants the ball to go.

The passing attack is designed to scheme guys open and get the ball in their hands to get YAC. Deebo has lost a step but his skillset has always been getting schemed open and becoming dangerous with the ball in his hand and room to run. So Shanahan's passing game needs to learn some new tricks and might need a WR overhaul to get guys less YAC monsters and more pure WRs that can themselves open.

I'll be massively disappointed in Shanahan this offseason if his only move is to fire the ST coach and carry on as usual. My fear is he's just got that kind of personality where he doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing but guys just aren't executing it the way they should.

The think is you don't need to scheme much when you have that high level of talent. Seattle and even SF during their best years kept scheming fairly simple and focused on sure tackling and minimizing making mistakes. That is why Mike Nolan looked like a good coordinator while he was with the Baltimore Ravens and flopped everywhere else.

[CrimsonCrew]

Defensive scheme needs to be completely scrapped. All you have to do is look at Carroll's last few seasons with the Seahawks to see our defense is heading if not already in that spot of being consistently mediocre. Scheme is amazing when you have enough high-end talent to run it but it's just not realistic to maintain that level of high-end defensive talent for an extended length of time. Not to mention the scheme has been floating around for over a decade and offenses have long adapted to beat it.

Biggest issue with this defense as I see it is it does very little to stress offenses mentally. We straight up rush 4 guys 90% of the time and usually when they do blitz they line up a 5th on the line that's easy for the offense to pick up. Look at our offensive line vs the Vikings and Bucs and see how much pressure they created by confusing our offensive line and look at opposing offenses against our defense where nobody is stressed or confused as to what they are seeing out there.

Offensively Shanahan has got to do an autopsy of his offense. It's not irredeemably broken but defenses have completely crippled the offense by shutting down the middle of the field which is hurting the running game and killing the passing game because the middle is where Shanahan wants the ball to go.

The passing attack is designed to scheme guys open and get the ball in their hands to get YAC. Deebo has lost a step but his skillset has always been getting schemed open and becoming dangerous with the ball in his hand and room to run. So Shanahan's passing game needs to learn some new tricks and might need a WR overhaul to get guys less YAC monsters and more pure WRs that can themselves open.

I'll be massively disappointed in Shanahan this offseason if his only move is to fire the ST coach and carry on as usual. My fear is he's just got that kind of personality where he doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing but guys just aren't executing it the way they should.

Yeah, Shanahan's arrogance is an Achilles' heel. This team needs a lot of work, but I don't think he ascribes much of that to himself. I wish someone would just be straight with him and tell him that his offense needs an overhaul - as does the defense and STs. If this team misses the playoffs, we need to see some pretty dramatic changes in coaching staff and personnel. The good news is that we should have some draft picks to try to pick up some impact players if we miss the playoffs. And given our remaining schedule, I think 7-10 or 8-9 is very realistic this year. We should beat Chicago, but that's not a given. Maybe Miami. I'm not at all confident that we can beat anyone else the way this team has played this year.

[Pattersonca65]

Defensive scheme needs to be completely scrapped. All you have to do is look at Carroll's last few seasons with the Seahawks to see our defense is heading if not already in that spot of being consistently mediocre. Scheme is amazing when you have enough high-end talent to run it but it's just not realistic to maintain that level of high-end defensive talent for an extended length of time. Not to mention the scheme has been floating around for over a decade and offenses have long adapted to beat it.

Biggest issue with this defense as I see it is it does very little to stress offenses mentally. We straight up rush 4 guys 90% of the time and usually when they do blitz they line up a 5th on the line that's easy for the offense to pick up. Look at our offensive line vs the Vikings and Bucs and see how much pressure they created by confusing our offensive line and look at opposing offenses against our defense where nobody is stressed or confused as to what they are seeing out there.

Offensively Shanahan has got to do an autopsy of his offense. It's not irredeemably broken but defenses have completely crippled the offense by shutting down the middle of the field which is hurting the running game and killing the passing game because the middle is where Shanahan wants the ball to go.

The passing attack is designed to scheme guys open and get the ball in their hands to get YAC. Deebo has lost a step but his skillset has always been getting schemed open and becoming dangerous with the ball in his hand and room to run. So Shanahan's passing game needs to learn some new tricks and might need a WR overhaul to get guys less YAC monsters and more pure WRs that can themselves open.

I'll be massively disappointed in Shanahan this offseason if his only move is to fire the ST coach and carry on as usual. My fear is he's just got that kind of personality where he doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing but guys just aren't executing it the way they should.

Yeah, Shanahan's arrogance is an Achilles' heel. This team needs a lot of work, but I don't think he ascribes much of that to himself. I wish someone would just be straight with him and tell him that his offense needs an overhaul - as does the defense and STs. If this team misses the playoffs, we need to see some pretty dramatic changes in coaching staff and personnel. The good news is that we should have some draft picks to try to pick up some impact players if we miss the playoffs. And given our remaining schedule, I think 7-10 or 8-9 is very realistic this year. We should beat Chicago, but that's not a given. Maybe Miami. I'm not at all confident that we can beat anyone else the way this team has played this year.

The problem is people with arrogant personalities often refuse to take advice from others or believe they are the cause of problems. Al Davis is an extreme example of that. IDK if Shanahan is that kind of person. He appears more reasonable. We would hope a year like this where the wheels come off would convince Shanahan major changes are necessary to right the ship