Game 14 : PHX at MIN

[shrink]

Joe Ingles was +3 this game in only two seconds of work.

Make him a starter and give him 30 minutes, he’d be +2700 each game!

[El Hespiritu]

Joe Ingles was +3 this game in only two seconds of work.
Make him a starter and give him 30 minutes, he’d be +2700 each game!

(trnsl)
Ol' Man played exactly 02'7 seconds.
More than enough to sum 1 assist and a plus-minus of +3
Immediate productivity. He doesn't even need to warm up.


Great Minds Think Alike.

[Klomp]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

We should be negative. The vibe should be critical.
The coaches need to do better. This team is capable of doing good things. We are playing like absolute trash.

[Klomp]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

We should be negative. The vibe should be critical.
The coaches need to do better. This team is capable of doing good things. We are playing like absolute trash.

Sorry, I just don't see the world that way.

[shrink]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

We should be negative. The vibe should be critical.
The coaches need to do better. This team is capable of doing good things. We are playing like absolute trash.

Do you think the team or coaches read these boards?

I don’t see what the purpose of those posts are, except to use us to vent your emotions on?

[Basti]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if social media has led to people leaving comments there rather than signing up for message boards.

And also I reckon a lot of old time posters simply have kind of learned their lesson and not spend as much time following the Wolves knowing that there's always a chance for the organization to screw things up. In my case, I still watch a lot of games (or rather have started to watch them again) but I can't stay up all night watching them live.

Also, the Wolves board isn't the only place this has happened. I distinctly can recall reading a post by a Celtics fan saying similar things. Their board was buzzing with activity when the Celtics were bad, yet when they got better traffic slowed down a lot.

[TimberKat]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if social media has led to people leaving comments there rather than signing up for message boards.

And also I reckon a lot of old time posters simply have kind of learned their lesson and not spend as much time following the Wolves knowing that there's always a chance for the organization to screw things up. In my case, I still watch a lot of games (or rather have started to watch them again) but I can't stay up all night watching them live.

Also, the Wolves board isn't the only place this has happened. I distinctly can recall reading a post by a Celtics fan saying similar things. Their board was buzzing with activity when the Celtics were bad, yet when they got better traffic slowed down a lot.

The 2009 team was playing for Derrick Williams sweepstakes and all the hopes was on when Rubio will come over. We got the steal of the draft in Johnny Flynn (who needs Curry?). We are set with the twin towers front court. Things were looking great two years down the road.

In 2024, we just made what many is still considered a very bad Towns trade for Johnathan Isaac and DDV right before the season starts. Didn't even draft a backup big to prep for it. We are expected to win 50 games but on pace to win 40. Gobert and Conley aren't getting younger. JMcD and Naz aren't getting any better. What can we feel good about? The presidental election?

[Klomp]

In 2024, we just made what many is still considered a very bad Towns trade for Johnathan Isaac and DDV right before the season starts. Didn't even draft a backup big to prep for it. We are expected to win 50 games but on pace to win 40. Gobert and Conley aren't getting younger. JMcD and Naz aren't getting any better. What can we feel good about? The presidental election?

8-6 is a 46/47-win pace, not sub-.500.

[Dalvin]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

I think some context matter here. The year before the 2009-10 team, we were really bad and at rock bottom. So nowhere but to go up and have a positive outlook.
Last year, we were on a high and we seem to be a bit stepped down to start this season. Hence, the more negative outlook currently. Hopefully they're able to turn it around sometime in the season so we can have a positive outlook by the end.

[Baseline81]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

What do you expect when the team reaches its first Western Conference Finals in 20 years only for the front office to trade one of the key components. Connelly threw out continuity and cohesiveness with such a move. And wouldn't you know it, the beginning of this season hasn't gone as one would hope.

[Klomp]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

I think some context matter here. The year before the 2009-10 team, we were really bad and at rock bottom. So nowhere but to go up and have a positive outlook.
Last year, we were on a high and we seem to be a bit stepped down to start this season. Hence, the more negative outlook currently. Hopefully they're able to turn it around sometime in the season so we can have a positive outlook by the end.

We were on a high thanks to a historic defense. That historic defense covered up a lot of offensive deficiencies.

By nature of something being historic, it's not likely to be repeated. The offense needed improvement, which we've seen early positive signs.

[Klomp]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

What do you expect when the team reaches its first Western Conference Finals in 20 years only for the front office to trade one of the key components. Connelly threw out continuity and cohesiveness with such a move. And wouldn't you know it, the beginning of this season hasn't gone as one would hope.

I think I would equate this to the Boston Celtics reworking their team after their 2021-22 Finals run. They traded Marcus Smart, a former DPOY, their longest tenured player, and labeled "the heart and soul" of the team. They struggled out of the gate going 4-3 the next year and falling short of the Finals, but I'd argue last season went decently well.

[TimberKat]

In 2024, we just made what many is still considered a very bad Towns trade for Johnathan Isaac and DDV right before the season starts. Didn't even draft a backup big to prep for it. We are expected to win 50 games but on pace to win 40. Gobert and Conley aren't getting younger. JMcD and Naz aren't getting any better. What can we feel good about? The presidental election?

8-6 is a 46/47-win pace, not sub-.500.

You are correct. I just exercise the creative freedom of include schedule strength to create a better story.

[TimberKat]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

What do you expect when the team reaches its first Western Conference Finals in 20 years only for the front office to trade one of the key components. Connelly threw out continuity and cohesiveness with such a move. And wouldn't you know it, the beginning of this season hasn't gone as one would hope.

I think I would equate this to the Boston Celtics reworking their team after their 2021-22 Finals run. They traded Marcus Smart, a former DPOY, their longest tenured player, and labeled "the heart and soul" of the team. They struggled out of the gate going 4-3 the next year and falling short of the Finals, but I'd argue last season went decently well.

2022 Celtics off season trades:

In: Jrue Holiday, Kristaps Porzingis, Jordan Walsh, 6 second round picks, 1 second round pick swap

Out: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, Danilo Gallinari, Mike Muscala, Celtics 2029 1st round pick, 35th pick in the 2023 draft

The best players were Holiday and Porzingis. They traded up. Tatum and Brown were always Heart and Soul of Celtics. It was closer to the Gobert trade and doesn't look like Towns trade as Towns was the best player. Maybe if we traded Naz for Randle or Celtics traded Brown instead of Smart then would be more equal to Towns trade.

[Baseline81]

2022 Celtics off season trades:

In: Jrue Holiday, Kristaps Porzingis, Jordan Walsh, 6 second round picks, 1 second round pick swap

Out: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, Danilo Gallinari, Mike Muscala, Celtics 2029 1st round pick, 35th pick in the 2023 draft

The best players were Holiday and Porzingis. They traded up. Tatum and Brown were always Heart and Soul of Celtics. It was closer to the Gobert trade and doesn't look like Towns trade as Towns was the best player. Maybe if we traded Naz for Randle or Celtics traded Brown instead of Smart then would be more equal to Towns trade.

You have to remind yourself that Klomp is an eternal optimist when it comes to this team. He still doesn't believe Ryan Saunders was at fault.

[Shaka_Zulu]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

Wait you watched us throw away game completely in final minutes with dumb mistakes, then follow that up with 2 losses (3rd) in a row vs a tanking Portland?

And then expected people to be immediately positive in outlook in same week for winning only two games in a row?

[Shaka_Zulu]

Game threads for both weekend games looks about as I expected it to look.

Seriously, I feel like this board had a more positive outlook about the 2009-10 Timberwolves than we've had this year.

We should be negative. The vibe should be critical.
The coaches need to do better. This team is capable of doing good things. We are playing like absolute trash.

Sorry, I just don't see the world that way.

Its not the world, it's basketball games. You see us get absolutely punked by Portland rookies twice in a row and throw away several other winnable games in end of games this season. And your conclusion isn't that's friggin bad? For a team that was in western conference finals last season?

[Klomp]

We should be negative. The vibe should be critical.
The coaches need to do better. This team is capable of doing good things. We are playing like absolute trash.

Sorry, I just don't see the world that way.

Its not the world, it's basketball games. You see us get absolutely punked by Portland rookies twice in a row and throw away several other winnable games in end of games this season. And your conclusion isn't that's friggin bad? For a team that was in western conference finals last season?

I wasn't talking about the Portland games. I was talking about the games against Sacramento and Phoenix.

[Klomp]

2022 Celtics off season trades:

In: Jrue Holiday, Kristaps Porzingis, Jordan Walsh, 6 second round picks, 1 second round pick swap

Out: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, Danilo Gallinari, Mike Muscala, Celtics 2029 1st round pick, 35th pick in the 2023 draft

The best players were Holiday and Porzingis. They traded up. Tatum and Brown were always Heart and Soul of Celtics. It was closer to the Gobert trade and doesn't look like Towns trade as Towns was the best player. Maybe if we traded Naz for Randle or Celtics traded Brown instead of Smart then would be more equal to Towns trade.

You have to remind yourself that Klomp is an eternal optimist when it comes to this team. He still doesn't believe Ryan Saunders was at fault.

Optimist, sure.

I view each game and season on its own individually. Sure, streaks can happen, but I don't think a current game should be perceived based on the games before it. Seasons as well. If this team goes to the second round of the playoffs, that's not a colossal failure in my mind. Sure it's disappointing, but last season didn't create some sort of ultimatum in my mind that we have to get to the WCF or Finals or win 56 regular season games.