Fake Trade Thread #6

[JMAC3]

Cam Whitmore is still one of my top targets. He would give us another scorer that can mix in with Miller, Martin and Green on the wing.

He has been terrible this year and is out of the rotation so might not be as expensive as some think.

What are we offering?

I like Whitmore, but feels like he will be used as a piece for Houston down the line for a major trade.

We would probably have to add a future 1st to any deal for Whitmore.

For the 20th pick who is out of the rotation? That is like us expecting a 1st for Nick Smith Jr.

Realistically what I would hope Whitmore to be is a guy that can get hot and score 15 points every 5 games but otherwise he is probably a 15 mins per night depth wing.

I hardly doubt Whitmore is some needle moving piece for a superstar, he is a pretty flawed young guy. I view him more as a Tre Mann buy low then some surefire prospect worth a first.

[JustBuzzin]

Cam Whitmore is still one of my top targets. He would give us another scorer that can mix in with Miller, Martin and Green on the wing.

He has been terrible this year and is out of the rotation so might not be as expensive as some think.

What are we offering?

I like Whitmore, but feels like he will be used as a piece for Houston down the line for a major trade.

We would probably have to add a future 1st to any deal for Whitmore.

For the 20th pick who is out of the rotation? That is like us expecting a 1st for Nick Smith Jr.

Realistically what I would hope Whitmore to be is a guy that can get hot and score 15 points every 5 games but otherwise he is probably a 15 mins per night depth wing.

I hardly doubt Whitmore is some needle moving piece for a superstar, he is a pretty flawed young guy. I view him more as a Tre Mann buy low then some surefire prospect worth a first.

So are we ignoring what we saw last season?

You want him for a reason. This guy can flat out get buckets. Sure he's on the bench, but Houston still will hold him in high regard. Maybe he's on the bench for his defensive effort or maybe he's just in the doghouse with Udoka.

What are you offering as a realistic trade?

[JMAC3]

So are we ignoring what we saw last season?

You want him for a reason. This guy can flat out get buckets. Sure he's on the bench, but Houston still will hold him in high regard. Maybe he's on the bench for his defensive effort or maybe he's just in the doghouse with Udoka.

What are you offering as a realistic trade?

Ignoring it? no, but even last year was a small sample size. He was 10th in Rockets in minutes. 22nd among his draft class in mins since being drafted 20th. It wasn't like he was a 1st team all rookie last year.

If Tre Mann wasn't in the rotation this year for us, I doubt teams would be valuing what he did last year over this year. Or Vasa for that matter, us trying to sell teams on what he did last year won't hold much weight because he looks bad this year.

The longer Whitmore sits the more his value will go down, so if you are Houston and you can move him for some positive value assets now that are going to sustain their value long-term then it probably is something they consider, because if Whitmore is still out of the rotation at the trade deadline he will be worth less than he is as of today.

Whitmore, Landale and Tate all are interesting depth adds that could be getting minutes for the current Hornets. I would offer something like Micic and 3-4 2nds for Tate and Whitmore.

Houston adds to their pick pile which will hold their value in the next 6-18 months if they are trying to do a star trade.

Hornets add some more wing size and see if they can get a Tre Mann type of asset out of Whitmore. Hornets also take the chance that Whitmore might just not be that good and end up wasting the picks.

[JMAC3]

Also, this kind of response cheapens the discourse of trade talks that many of us enjoy.

You're capable of counter proposals. You do it all day long in the common trade forum. So why just shoot down my opening bid here with like some absolutist when you're proven not to be one?

It's cheap and you can do better.

I hate Richards just as much as you do.

We seem to be on the right page to start.

So, if Portis feels like an appropriate target from our end as a stretch big who can complement Mark & Diabeté while backing PF thus giving Salaun the full 2 years he needs in GL, what do you think the Bucks would demand for Portis from us?

We have plenty of trade capital for you to select from, I believe.

boi you posted a trade where the Bucks trade two very quality rotation players for two players who are currently worse than dudes that are chilling in free agency right now. Fix your trade proposals then we can talk about "cheapening discourse" or whatever

Won't respond to you any further. Enjoy punching down.

I think you need to take some deep breaths. This is the 4th or 5th post you are getting pissy with people for simply disagreeing, there is really no need to threaten to stop posting on the board multiple times a week. It's online forum and most of the best chats come from people disagreeing.

You got weird with me for simply pointing out Portis isn't a good defender the other day- that was it.

[JMAC3]

So are we ignoring what we saw last season?

You want him for a reason. This guy can flat out get buckets. Sure he's on the bench, but Houston still will hold him in high regard. Maybe he's on the bench for his defensive effort or maybe he's just in the doghouse with Udoka.

What are you offering as a realistic trade?

Ignoring it? no, but even last year was a small sample size. He was 10th in Rockets in minutes. 22nd among his draft class in mins since being drafted 20th. It wasn't like he was a 1st team all rookie last year.

If Tre Mann wasn't in the rotation this year for us, I doubt teams would be valuing what he did last year over this year. Or Vasa for that matter, us trying to sell teams on what he did last year won't hold much weight because he looks bad this year.

The longer Whitmore sits the more his value will go down, so if you are Houston and you can move him for some positive value assets now that are going to sustain their value long-term then it probably is something they consider, because if Whitmore is still out of the rotation at the trade deadline he will be worth less than he is as of today.

Whitmore, Landale and Tate all are interesting depth adds that could be getting minutes for the current Hornets. I would offer something like Micic and 3-4 2nds for Tate and Whitmore.

Houston adds to their pick pile which will hold their value in the next 6-18 months if they are trying to do a star trade.

Hornets add some more wing size and see if they can get a Tre Mann type of asset out of Whitmore. Hornets also take the chance that Whitmore might just not be that good and end up wasting the picks.

Also, just 1 game but Rockets won by 40 last night and played 14 guys. Cam Whitmore still got a dnp. That seems weird to me.

[KembaWalker]

So are we ignoring what we saw last season?

You want him for a reason. This guy can flat out get buckets. Sure he's on the bench, but Houston still will hold him in high regard. Maybe he's on the bench for his defensive effort or maybe he's just in the doghouse with Udoka.

What are you offering as a realistic trade?

Ignoring it? no, but even last year was a small sample size. He was 10th in Rockets in minutes. 22nd among his draft class in mins since being drafted 20th. It wasn't like he was a 1st team all rookie last year.

If Tre Mann wasn't in the rotation this year for us, I doubt teams would be valuing what he did last year over this year. Or Vasa for that matter, us trying to sell teams on what he did last year won't hold much weight because he looks bad this year.

The longer Whitmore sits the more his value will go down, so if you are Houston and you can move him for some positive value assets now that are going to sustain their value long-term then it probably is something they consider, because if Whitmore is still out of the rotation at the trade deadline he will be worth less than he is as of today.

Whitmore, Landale and Tate all are interesting depth adds that could be getting minutes for the current Hornets. I would offer something like Micic and 3-4 2nds for Tate and Whitmore.

Houston adds to their pick pile which will hold their value in the next 6-18 months if they are trying to do a star trade.

Hornets add some more wing size and see if they can get a Tre Mann type of asset out of Whitmore. Hornets also take the chance that Whitmore might just not be that good and end up wasting the picks.

Also, just 1 game but Rockets won by 40 last night and played 14 guys. Cam Whitmore still got a dnp. That seems weird to me.

that would point to either one of his predraft red flags, crappy attitude or crappy knee

not sure which one is worse but our roster is fully covered on either category

[MPM]

Funny - no real clarity from Udoka: https://www.si.com/nba/rockets/news/houston-rockets-forward-cam-whitmore-lack-of-playing-time-explained

This speaks to his 1-18 start from 3 for the season: https://www.si.com/nba/rockets/news/why-houston-rockets-sent-cam-whitmore-to-g-league

Either way, nothing definitive or even hinting at deeper physical/mental issues. I'd take a gamble on him - agree - buy low guy that could pay dividends (or not).

[JMAC3]

Any interest in trading for Jimmy Butler? Probably will be a lot cheaper than most think because of his contract situation and age. He has a Player option for 52 million next year that he could or couldn't opt into.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Any interest in trading for Jimmy Butler? Probably will be a lot cheaper than most think because of his contract situation and age. He has a Player option for 52 million next year that he could or couldn't opt into.

Given his age and lack of contract control it seems like an easy no. Miami aren't giving him away for free and he would possibly play us out of a first round pick this year, only to almost certainly leave in the offseason.

[Diop]

i think Houston are waiting to catch a big fish, like Giannis or Durant in the offseason.

i can't see them doing anything until something big cranks up.

[JustBuzzin]

Any interest in trading for Jimmy Butler? Probably will be a lot cheaper than most think because of his contract situation and age. He has a Player option for 52 million next year that he could or couldn't opt into.

Depends on what Miami would want back.

If they looking for multiple picks probably not given his age and contract.

I would love him on this team though. He brings toughness and maybe that rubs off on the younger guys.

[Liver_Pooty]

I want to obtain more assets and picks not go all in for an older player. We aren't there yet.

[HornetJail]

Any interest in trading for Jimmy Butler? Probably will be a lot cheaper than most think because of his contract situation and age. He has a Player option for 52 million next year that he could or couldn't opt into.

i'd rather have Miami's 2028 1st for when that team inevitably crashes and burns

[Braggins]

I agree with YB's post about trades this season. Although, I do think they should be on the look out for young prospects who need an opportunity to poach off other teams. Players like that usually aren't going to positively affect your wins initially and may even help their lottery odds for the next draft.

I'm skeptical Houston would really want to come off Whitmore at this point, but that would be a good example of the type of trade I would be interested in them making. There is actually a sensible framework for multiple different trade options between Charlotte/Houston.

Josh Green + Nick Richards == Cam Whitmore + Steven Adams

I assume their would be pick action involved, but I think it could make sense just in terms of looking at how the players swapped affect both teams.

Charlotte
starters: LaMelo ~ Martin ~ Miller ~ Bridges ~ Mark
bench5: Mann ~ Whitmore ~ Salaun ~ Grant ~ Adams

Houston
starters: FVV ~ JalenG ~ Brooks ~ Smith ~ Sengun
bench5: Reed ~ JoshG ~ Amen ~ Eason ~ Richards

[Diop]

I agree with YB's post about trades this season. Although, I do think they should be on the look out for young prospects who need an opportunity to poach off other teams. Players like that usually aren't going to positively affect your wins initially and may even help their lottery odds for the next draft.

I'm skeptical Houston would really want to come off Whitmore at this point, but that would be a good example of the type of trade I would be interested in them making. There is actually a sensible framework for multiple different trade options between Charlotte/Houston.

Josh Green + Nick Richards == Cam Whitmore + Steven Adams

I assume their would be pick action involved, but I think it could make sense just in terms of looking at how the players swapped affect both teams.

Charlotte
starters: LaMelo ~ Martin ~ Miller ~ Bridges ~ Mark
bench5: Mann ~ Whitmore ~ Salaun ~ Grant ~ Adams

Houston
starters: FVV ~ JalenG ~ Brooks ~ Smith ~ Sengun
bench5: Reed ~ JoshG ~ Amen ~ Eason ~ Richards

i dont see Houston doing that. They traded for Adams to be the bench vet, Josh Green has had a very meh start to justify his contract.
You're really trying to sell them a turd rolled in glitter here

[Liver_Pooty]

I think our Miami first rounder is one of the more valuable assets in the league. In 1 or 2 years if we want to swing for the fences we dangle that. But we're not even close now. And honestly I wouldn't mind keeping that to see what happens.

[Braggins]

Spoiler:

I agree with YB's post about trades this season. Although, I do think they should be on the look out for young prospects who need an opportunity to poach off other teams. Players like that usually aren't going to positively affect your wins initially and may even help their lottery odds for the next draft.

I'm skeptical Houston would really want to come off Whitmore at this point, but that would be a good example of the type of trade I would be interested in them making. There is actually a sensible framework for multiple different trade options between Charlotte/Houston.

Josh Green + Nick Richards == Cam Whitmore + Steven Adams

I assume their would be pick action involved, but I think it could make sense just in terms of looking at how the players swapped affect both teams.

Charlotte
starters: LaMelo ~ Martin ~ Miller ~ Bridges ~ Mark
bench5: Mann ~ Whitmore ~ Salaun ~ Grant ~ Adams

Houston
starters: FVV ~ JalenG ~ Brooks ~ Smith ~ Sengun
bench5: Reed ~ JoshG ~ Amen ~ Eason ~ Richards

i dont see Houston doing that. They traded for Adams to be the bench vet, Josh Green has had a very meh start to justify his contract.
You're really trying to sell them a turd rolled in glitter here

There would need to be pick action involved for there to be any chance of it happening, but I didn't want to speculate about that aspect of it and was just looking at it in terms of the players involved.

Houston is in position to make a playoff run this season and they would get two players that would be upgrades for their rotation this season. Adams has been bad and has barely been able to play because of injuries. Whitmore hasn't been playing at all.

I also don't really think they are looking to get rid of Whitmore yet tbh, so I'm also skeptical a deal could get done, but its the type of deal I would be interested in.

[Liver_Pooty]

While I'm on a rant we obviously got that first rounder for Rozier who is slowly starting to show the mileage on his body as well. Let alone Butler being old. Bam is still young and I'm sure Miami will load back up once Butlers ridiculous contract expires. But who knows.

[Rich4114]

Butler would be nice here, but we wouldn't be able to put together a package that matches contracts without further decimating our depth. It gets interesting around Mid-Jan which is when I believe Miles can be included though.

[NCHeels2008]

While I'm on a rant we obviously got that first rounder for Rozier who is slowly starting to show the mileage on his body as well. Let alone Butler being old. Bam is still young and I'm sure Miami will load back up once Butlers ridiculous contract expires. But who knows.

Mitch did us right on the way out