Game Thread: NY Knicks at Phoenix Suns Wed, Nov 20 10:00 PM

[dakomish23]

Tyus Jones this year
11.1 PPG 2.9 RPG 6.7 APG 0.9 SPG 0.1 BPG
44.1% on 9.7 FGA
37.0% on 5.4 3PA
80.0% on 0.7 FTA
54.5% EFG 55.6% TS

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[Wildcat]

I don't necessarily mind that Thibs is playing some starters a significant amount of minutes to start the season. They do need to build chemistry as well as confidence, and this comes by winning games.

But OG can't be treated like he's just another player. His minutes need to be capped. 36 mpg is simply too high for him. He should be playing 30-32 mpg until the playoffs come around.

There needs to be guardrails around Thibs's minutes management. For how disciplined he generally is, he's completely out of control in that area.

Argument can be made if you want to be paid like the man, you gotta play like the man. He's too impactful to miss the equivalent of a quarter of play with your 30-32 MPG. I think 36 MPG is ideal. It's those 40 minutes that concerns me.

It's about being realistic about his chances of injury and pragmatic about keeping him healthy for the playoffs.

Nothing matters if he misses the playoffs.

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

[kNicksGmen]

Will Bridges make it to the free throw line?? I'm a bit taken aback by his lack of FTA.

he's not really driving to the rim at all - just popping open middys or taking 3s.

[Chanel Bomber]

Argument can be made if you want to be paid like the man, you gotta play like the man. He's too impactful to miss the equivalent of a quarter of play with your 30-32 MPG. I think 36 MPG is ideal. It's those 40 minutes that concerns me.

It's about being realistic about his chances of injury and pragmatic about keeping him healthy for the playoffs.

Nothing matters if he misses the playoffs.

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

I think with a few players, I can.

OG, Kawhi and Embiid (not that I care about his prospects) are three of them. Some guys are just brittle.

Personally, I'm not playing any one of these guys 36 mpg if my objective is to have them 100% for a deep playoff run.

Agreed on your point about the 40 minutes by the way.

[Context]

Buzz annoys us and the Knicks annoy Buzz by winning streak, so he has to make more game threads...it's the perfect circle of trolling.

The nerve of Buzz to be traveling and starting a thread like this
Game 15- have no idea how they will play...

[spree2kawhi]

Since that slow start, here's the last 10 games for KAT

25.1 PPG 12.9 RPG 3.3 APG 0.8 SPG 0.8 BPG
55.1% on 19.8 FGA
82.5% on 5.7 FTA
50% on 6.0 3PA

This is all NBA, starter for the East output.

This shouldn't be shocking for anyone. He had multiple seasons like this in his career.

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Actually they are close in rebounding t and threes, but he’s still the best…

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Argument can be made if you want to be paid like the man, you gotta play like the man. He's too impactful to miss the equivalent of a quarter of play with your 30-32 MPG. I think 36 MPG is ideal. It's those 40 minutes that concerns me.

It's about being realistic about his chances of injury and pragmatic about keeping him healthy for the playoffs.

Nothing matters if he misses the playoffs.

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

It's too much when you go through the years and look at all-defense teams and generally speaking the elite wings his size play around 29-33mpg. The last couple years there's been a downward trend in minutes per game for defensive players.


With his injury history he should not be at a career high in MPG, he should be scaled down to 30mpg like Herb, Jrue, Jaden etc. Last night that collision with him and Hart could have ended our season, he had no business coming back into the game, that kind of thing shouldn't happen.

[The KnicksFix]

Game Thread: NY Knicks at Phoenix Suns Wed, Nov 20 10:00 PM

I'm traveling so won't have a chance to do the game thread for a while.

Knicks face real competition. Can they win?

Enjoy the loss as Thibs plays his starters 48 minutes each!

No buzz, you gotta Make these game threads, you’re the reason why things started to get going and the streak started

[Wildcat]

It's about being realistic about his chances of injury and pragmatic about keeping him healthy for the playoffs.

Nothing matters if he misses the playoffs.

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

It's too much when you go through the years and look at all-defense teams and generally speaking the elite wings his size play around 29-33mpg. The last couple years there's been a downward trend in minutes per game for defensive players.

With his injury history he should not be at a career high in MPG, he should be scaled down to 30mpg like Herb, Jrue, Jaden etc. Last night that collision with him and Hart could have ended our season, he had no business coming back into the game, that kind of thing shouldn't happen.

OG is a 2-way player. From his own lips and his numbers are backing that up. No a great comparisons.

So if we're going to discuss scaling down and comparing him to players like Jrue, 7 years ago Jrue was averaging 36 MPG when he was OG's age. All those other players are not All-Star level talents. They can get away with 26-30 MPG. OG can't. This is where we get into this weird minute police business. A career high in MPG at 36.4 is laughable when that career high is 36.0. When Mitch, Precious, and Deuce are back, he's probably going to lose a minute or two, anyway. I promise you, if the Knicks somehow lost yesterday's game while leaving in the rookies to stink up the joint, you'll be asking, "Where's OG?"

He's fine at 36 MPG.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

It's too much when you go through the years and look at all-defense teams and generally speaking the elite wings his size play around 29-33mpg. The last couple years there's been a downward trend in minutes per game for defensive players.

With his injury history he should not be at a career high in MPG, he should be scaled down to 30mpg like Herb, Jrue, Jaden etc. Last night that collision with him and Hart could have ended our season, he had no business coming back into the game, that kind of thing shouldn't happen.

OG is a 2-way player. From his own lips and his numbers are backing that up. No a great comparisons.

So if we're going to discuss scaling down and comparing him to players like Jrue, 7 years ago Jrue was averaging 36 MPG when he was OG's age. All those other players are not All-Star level talents. They can get away with 26-30 MPG. OG can't. This is where we get into this weird minute police business. A career high in MPG at 36.4 is laughable when that career high is 36.0. When Mitch, Precious, and Deuce are back, he's probably going to lose a minute or two, anyway. I promise you, if Knicks somehow lost yesterday's game while leaving in the rookies to stink up the joint, you'll be asking, "Where's OG?"

He's fine at 36 MPG.

I disagree with this completely. People also want to see the rookies play. If we lost yesterday there would be bigger problems than OG not playing 40mpg. We also have more players than just rookies to fill those minutes.

Damn it! I swore I wouldn't join this conversation this year! DAMN YOU GULLY!! Must...resist!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I can't look at 36 MPG and say he's playing too much.

It's too much when you go through the years and look at all-defense teams and generally speaking the elite wings his size play around 29-33mpg. The last couple years there's been a downward trend in minutes per game for defensive players.

With his injury history he should not be at a career high in MPG, he should be scaled down to 30mpg like Herb, Jrue, Jaden etc. Last night that collision with him and Hart could have ended our season, he had no business coming back into the game, that kind of thing shouldn't happen.

OG is a 2-way player. From his own lips and his numbers are backing that up. No a great comparisons.

So if we're going to discuss scaling down and comparing him to players like Jrue, 7 years ago Jrue was averaging 36 MPG when he was OG's age. All those other players are not All-Star level talents. They can get away with 26-30 MPG. OG can't. This is where we get into this weird minute police business. A career high in MPG at 36.4 is laughable when that career high is 36.0. When Mitch, Precious, and Deuce are back, he's probably going to lose a minute or two, anyway. I promise you, if the Knicks somehow lost yesterday's game while leaving in the rookies to stink up the joint, you'll be asking, "Where's OG?"

He's fine at 36 MPG.

Ah yes, the weird minutes police, just like last season when we said OG shouldn't be playing as much as he was after the trade, Tom kept the minutes in check for a few games then upped him to 37mpg over a stretch with several 40+mpg games and he hurts his elbow. Then the weird minutes police looked at how much he was playing the playoffs and said that wasn't sustainable and surprise surprise he hurt his hamstring. At 25 Kawhi was playing 33mpg, a guy who is injury prone should be protected, I don't understand why you're so pressed on chancing it. It would be one thing if he were some ironman, but he's injury prone and overuse injuries have happened to him in the past.


I'd rather lose a game and have everyone healthy for the playoffs, I'm not going to ask where's OG if he plays 33mpg and we lose a close one, I don't care as much about the regular season as I do about making it intact to the playoffs.

[kNicksGmen]

It's too much when you go through the years and look at all-defense teams and generally speaking the elite wings his size play around 29-33mpg. The last couple years there's been a downward trend in minutes per game for defensive players.

With his injury history he should not be at a career high in MPG, he should be scaled down to 30mpg like Herb, Jrue, Jaden etc. Last night that collision with him and Hart could have ended our season, he had no business coming back into the game, that kind of thing shouldn't happen.

OG is a 2-way player. From his own lips and his numbers are backing that up. No a great comparisons.

So if we're going to discuss scaling down and comparing him to players like Jrue, 7 years ago Jrue was averaging 36 MPG when he was OG's age. All those other players are not All-Star level talents. They can get away with 26-30 MPG. OG can't. This is where we get into this weird minute police business. A career high in MPG at 36.4 is laughable when that career high is 36.0. When Mitch, Precious, and Deuce are back, he's probably going to lose a minute or two, anyway. I promise you, if the Knicks somehow lost yesterday's game while leaving in the rookies to stink up the joint, you'll be asking, "Where's OG?"

He's fine at 36 MPG.

Ah yes, the weird minutes police, just like last season when we said OG shouldn't be playing as much as he was after the trade, Tom kept the minutes in check for a few games then upped him to 37mpg over a stretch with several 40+mpg games and he hurts his elbow. Then the weird minutes police looked at how much he was playing the playoffs and said that wasn't sustainable and surprise surprise he hurt his hamstring. At 25 Kawhi was playing 33mpg, a guy who is injury prone should be protected, I don't understand why you're so pressed on chancing it. It would be one thing if he were some ironman, but he's injury prone and overuse injuries have happened to him in the past.


I'd rather lose a game and have everyone healthy for the playoffs, I'm not going to ask where's OG if he plays 33mpg and we lose a close one, I don't care as much about the regular season as I do about making it intact to the playoffs.

i don't disagree - but most of OG's injuries were pretty flukely. the hamstring one you can probably point to as potentially an overuse injury (though i think that was disputed/debated by sports doctors).

i do think we should try to keep guys in general closer to 30 as opposed to 40 so i'm not arguing with you. just not sure most of his past injuries were really related to overuse. the elbow thing was a weird like bone spur thing. on the raptors he missed a chunk of games for a broken finger which is a flukey thing. wrist injury etc. not many lower leg or knee injuries (though he did have a torn ACL in college). edit. forgot he missed a lot of time for a calf strain back in '21.

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Game Thread: NY Knicks at Phoenix Suns Wed, Nov 20 10:00 PM

I'm traveling so won't have a chance to do the game thread for a while.

Knicks face real competition. Can they win?

Enjoy the loss as Thibs plays his starters 48 minutes each!

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I wanted this to be the Finals in 1993.

[KnicksGadfly]

We can all argue about what the right minutes are in regards to someone’s pay, but I think it’s not a situation unique to OG. We basically have max cats around the league that have their minutes managed. It’s not a radical thing.

The other thing to note is that the person who has decision making power in this situation is Thibs. He’s getting a chance that few thought he would get again: coaching a championship contender. He also has experience with Derrick Rose, and basically putting a key player in a risky situation that ended his team’s championship aspirations. He needs to learn from all that. He went on that tour a while ago to learn from all these championship coaches for that reason. It’s time for him to make that leap.