Maxey Challenged Embiid in Team Meeting

[Murray_17]

What isn't normal however and is highly unusual is that the centerpiece of the team and its highest-paid player is being identified as the problem. That player should be providing an example of excellence and should be calling other players out if need be, if the team sucks.

You heard one quote of the meeting, you don't know if he was identified as the main problem or wasn't, we only have one quote. Meetings like this are harsh because the team suck.

Does he deserve the criticism? absolutely. There is a lot of difference between both things tho.

Not that weird coming from the guy who thought confidence intervals were quantum physics

[GoSixersBro]

Yawn. Embiid is no angel, but this likely will be a distant memory in 2-3 weeks. This core actually will play together soon and we'll be knocking on the 8 seed well before Christmas. When you get to your mid-thirties you don't fall for Philly sports drama as easily.

[Ferry Avenue]

What isn't normal however and is highly unusual is that the centerpiece of the team and its highest-paid player is being identified as the problem. That player should be providing an example of excellence and should be calling other players out if need be, if the team sucks.

You heard one quote of the meeting, you don't know if he was identified as the main problem or wasn't, we only have one quote. Meetings like this are harsh because the team suck.

The centerpiece of the team and its highest-paid player should be leading the charge in a team meeting that addresses the team's sucking. He should be fault free in such a meeting. He should be the guy calling the meeting and making other players accountable, not the guy hanging his head as he's accused of being a slacker.

Sorry guy, you got it backwards.

[Murray_17]

The centerpiece of the team and its highest-paid player should be leading the charge in a team meeting that addresses the team's sucking. He should be fault free in such a meeting. He should be the guy calling the meeting and making other players accountable, not the guy hanging his head as he's accused of being a slacker.

You don't know any of those things besides not calling the meeting because nothing other than one quote was leaked.

You cannot be this dense, for god sake.

[Ferry Avenue]

The centerpiece of the team and its highest-paid player should be leading the charge in a team meeting that addresses the team's sucking. He should be fault free in such a meeting. He should be the guy calling the meeting and making other players accountable, not the guy hanging his head as he's accused of being a slacker.

You don't know any of those things besides not calling the meeting because nothing other than one quote was leaked.

You cannot be this dense, for god sake.

No apparently you are. This is open and shut.

[Iverson Armband]

Hopefully, this lights a fire under his ass.

If not, please shut him down for the year, draft Flagg and explore trade options in the summer.

I've done the tankathon draft simulator 10 times and the 76ers only got the #1 pick once. We are not getting Flag.

Forget Flagg. A top 3 pick works almost just as well.

[sixers hoops]

could be a multitude of things

1.Wanting it to go public to hammer it in to Biid

2. Soft launching trading him with no backlash lol

3. Shifting blame from FO

4. Reggie Jackson's revenge lol

5. We are a clownshoes organization...i mean our past GM had multiple burners

I don’t know how successful they would be trading him. The guy could barely jump in the playoffs, so Morey decided to give him three more years and lock him up through 2029. He can’t play consistently for two weeks without knee pain and Morey figured locking him up for five seasons with salaries rising to $70 million was prudent.

[Jailblazers7]

Honestly, it’s kind of refreshing that this is finally being aired out. Joel has skated by for years because of his talent & there was always a more obvious place to point the finger because of the organizational dysfunction. But now he’s fully under the microscope & deserves every bit of criticism he’s receiving.

[WentzerWuver]

also what the **** is Nurse even here for lol

he was hired to be this hard nose no nonsense tactician

and yet apparently he has just be Doc Rivers who plays the guitar

Yes but the coach can rock!!!

https://youtu.be/QCwjW7oq8a0?si=5lo1G3zRXBuJ96Cr

[Black Mage]

Seems like a positive development. Jo and Tyrese don't have an antagonistic relationship.

I don't think this is a very good sign at all. Maxey isn't a confrontational guy. The fact he spoke up means things Joel was doing have gotten so bad that Maxey felt it had to be said and he had to confront Joel.

Second, the fact it got leaked is an even bigger red flag. Whoever leaked it clearly either felt Joel wasn't taking it serious or the frustration was so high they risked breaking lockerroom code in order to give Joel a "kick in the a**" in hopes that it motivates him.

One thing I do know, Joel does not respond positive to being humiliated or insulted. I could be wrong, but I think within the next 5 games we are going to see Joel go one of two ways. He will either care about his image and try to get better or he'll shut it all down mentally and effort wise in a very public display of pouting. I have loved Joel from day one, but also feel I know his personality well enough at this point to know his response will be to pout.

If he pouts, Morey should have a meeting with Maxey/Joel/Jared/PG. Basically tell them that mathematically it's going to be nearly impossible to dig out of the hole and that the team will shut Joel down and work to get his health right and PG can let them know if he's in or out and if he's out they will try to trade him by the deadline.

[eyeatoma]

Seems like a positive development. Jo and Tyrese don't have an antagonistic relationship.

I don't think this is a very good sign at all. Maxey isn't a confrontational guy. The fact he spoke up means things Joel was doing have gotten so bad that Maxey felt it had to be said and he had to confront Joel.

Second, the fact it got leaked is an even bigger red flag. Whoever leaked it clearly either felt Joel wasn't taking it serious or the frustration was so high they risked breaking lockerroom code in order to give Joel a "kick in the a**" in hopes that it motivates him.

One thing I do know, Joel does not respond positive to being humiliated or insulted. I could be wrong, but I think within the next 5 games we are going to see Joel go one of two ways. He will either care about his image and try to get better or he'll shut it all down mentally and effort wise in a very public display of pouting. I have loved Joel from day one, but also feel I know his personality well enough at this point to know his response will be to pout.

If he pouts, Morey should have a meeting with Maxey/Joel/Jared/PG. Basically tell them that mathematically it's going to be nearly impossible to dig out of the hole and that the team will shut Joel down and work to get his health right and PG can let them know if he's in or out and if he's out they will try to trade him by the deadline.

Eh, Jo has been someone who has always been first to criticize himself, and usually he does get better. So I'm not sure about the not liking to be humiliated part. I don't think anyone likes to be called out though, but I think like you said it will probably go one of two ways you mentioned. Although I put a lot of blame on him, Nurse has done a horrible job and Joel has only played 3 games this season. So not sure you can blame him for the other losses. How is that on him? That he was unavailable, okay I agree, but what if his knee is completely ****. Not trying to play devils advocate here. I'm pretty much done with this organization. But this is a responsiblity of everyone and not just Jo

[76ciology]

It seems like there might be a disconnect between Embiid and Nick Nurse, which could explain why Embiid seems uninterested, late to team activities, or even unsure about the team’s direction. These behaviors hint at a lack of alignment, but it’s also important to note that this is speculative for my part.

When it comes to managing Embiid, I often find myself torn between two perspectives. Emotionally, after tough losses—like playoff eliminations or embarrassing regular-season performances—I feel inclined to consider trading him. However, the calmer, more rational side suggests sticking it out and making the best of the current situation. Right now, I believe the latter approach is wiser. We’re essentially in the middle of the ocean and can’t afford to switch ships—we have to ride this out for now.

A balanced approach is necessary. Embiid must step up with greater maturity, responsibility, and urgency, especially this season. Simultaneously, the team needs to adjust. Simplifying the offense could help—not abandoning Nick Nurse’s system entirely, but incorporating more straightforward sets (Doc River’s offense) that makes it more balanced. Nurse’s current schemes sometimes resemble Eddie Jordan’s Princeton offense, with too much circular motion leading to stumbling on drives. This might not just be Embiid’s issue with Nick’s scheme, as Paul George and Tyrese Maxey are also struggling within the system.

Lastly, Embiid needs to understand that this season could define his future chances at a championship. If these issues continue and lead to a wasted season, it will be much harder to attract veteran players willing to sign for cheap next year. Veterans want to join a team where they see stability, and if they perceive dysfunction or a lack of leadership, they’re likely to look elsewhere.

[Black Mage]

Seems like a positive development. Jo and Tyrese don't have an antagonistic relationship.

I don't think this is a very good sign at all. Maxey isn't a confrontational guy. The fact he spoke up means things Joel was doing have gotten so bad that Maxey felt it had to be said and he had to confront Joel.

Second, the fact it got leaked is an even bigger red flag. Whoever leaked it clearly either felt Joel wasn't taking it serious or the frustration was so high they risked breaking lockerroom code in order to give Joel a "kick in the a**" in hopes that it motivates him.

One thing I do know, Joel does not respond positive to being humiliated or insulted. I could be wrong, but I think within the next 5 games we are going to see Joel go one of two ways. He will either care about his image and try to get better or he'll shut it all down mentally and effort wise in a very public display of pouting. I have loved Joel from day one, but also feel I know his personality well enough at this point to know his response will be to pout.

If he pouts, Morey should have a meeting with Maxey/Joel/Jared/PG. Basically tell them that mathematically it's going to be nearly impossible to dig out of the hole and that the team will shut Joel down and work to get his health right and PG can let them know if he's in or out and if he's out they will try to trade him by the deadline.

Eh, Jo has been someone who has always been first to criticize himself, and usually he does get better. So I'm not sure about the not liking to be humiliated part. I don't think anyone likes to be called out though, but I think like you said it will probably go one of two ways you mentioned. Although I put a lot of blame on him, Nurse has done a horrible job and Joel has only played 3 games this season. So not sure you can blame him for the other losses. How is that on him? That he was unavailable, okay I agree, but what if his knee is completely ****. Not trying to play devils advocate here. I'm pretty much done with this organization. But this is a responsiblity of everyone and not just Jo

There is a big difference between self-awareness and him feeling owning his failures and overcoming them is what he wants the public to see. It's completely different having your image trashed by someone in a closed door team only meeting leaking the humiliating image of a 24 yr old player calling out the MVP caliber player for being lazy. Telling is that Joel after the meeting tried to make it a joke rather than answer it was positive, I have to play better and we all will work as a team to get better. That is something he has said in the past and he clearly chose not to fall back on that.

Buckle up.

[DCasey91]

I disagree about the reasons why on Embiid's disinterest. Quite a lot actually

The individual has to take responsibility for their own maturity and well being. Stop the coddling its obvious there's internal problems for good or bad.

What's maddening to me is that he had the off season to get good and proper, Olympics happen with the turn around

Knees no good. Honesty is best policy. Take 2 months off, 3 months but be transparent about it. It's just not professional

And some point in time you have to realise the big oaf is what he is. How many passes are you going to give him?

It's very bittersweet to me personally

Also it's just not logical to gun for the playoffs or play ins

Instead of starting at base (beginning of a season) with less I'd rather start next season with as many horses in the stable along with extra pick chance or capable youngsters so to speak.

What good is struggling to make playoffs get bounced like Groundhog Day and PG/Embiid are worse for wear. That's the definition of being a mad person. That's the definition of a treadmill

But this season to me is all gas not doom and gloom. Look at the better avenues available rather than thinking were sh*t. Yes we are sh*t but good things may happen the next season. Sports fortunes go super quick

It's time for Embiid to grow up. He said he's a changed man, no use for words it's the actions that count.

[WentzerWuver]

Seems like a positive development. Jo and Tyrese don't have an antagonistic relationship.

I don't think this is a very good sign at all. Maxey isn't a confrontational guy. The fact he spoke up means things Joel was doing have gotten so bad that Maxey felt it had to be said and he had to confront Joel.

Second, the fact it got leaked is an even bigger red flag. Whoever leaked it clearly either felt Joel wasn't taking it serious or the frustration was so high they risked breaking lockerroom code in order to give Joel a "kick in the a**" in hopes that it motivates him.

One thing I do know, Joel does not respond positive to being humiliated or insulted. I could be wrong, but I think within the next 5 games we are going to see Joel go one of two ways. He will either care about his image and try to get better or he'll shut it all down mentally and effort wise in a very public display of pouting. I have loved Joel from day one, but also feel I know his personality well enough at this point to know his response will be to pout.

I think it was Jimmy via Kyle, which was likely the whole point for the meeting right after the game as a favor to exposed him in Philly.

https://youtube.com/shorts/oMvrgg5hWQk?si=1zHtNtPWnJxhJGy1

[Iverson Armband]

It seems like there might be a disconnect between Embiid and Nick Nurse, which could explain why Embiid seems uninterested, late to team activities, or even unsure about the team’s direction. These behaviors hint at a lack of alignment, but it’s also important to note that this is speculative for my part.

When it comes to managing Embiid, I often find myself torn between two perspectives. Emotionally, after tough losses—like playoff eliminations or embarrassing regular-season performances—I feel inclined to consider trading him. However, the calmer, more rational side suggests sticking it out and making the best of the current situation. Right now, I believe the latter approach is wiser. We’re essentially in the middle of the ocean and can’t afford to switch ships—we have to ride this out for now.

A balanced approach is necessary. Embiid must step up with greater maturity, responsibility, and urgency, especially this season. Simultaneously, the team needs to adjust. Simplifying the offense could help—not abandoning Nick Nurse’s system entirely, but incorporating more straightforward sets (Doc River’s offense) that makes it more balanced. Nurse’s current schemes sometimes resemble Eddie Jordan’s Princeton offense, with too much circular motion leading to stumbling on drives. This might not just be Embiid’s issue with Nick’s scheme, as Paul George and Tyrese Maxey are also struggling within the system.

Lastly, Embiid needs to understand that this season could define his future chances at a championship. If these issues continue and lead to a wasted season, it will be much harder to attract veteran players willing to sign for cheap next year. Veterans want to join a team where they see stability, and if they perceive dysfunction or a lack of leadership, they’re likely to look elsewhere.

A lot of these same justifications were used to try to keep Simmons around when it was getting pretty clear the end of the road was near. Just saying.

[Black Mage]

Seems like a positive development. Jo and Tyrese don't have an antagonistic relationship.

I don't think this is a very good sign at all. Maxey isn't a confrontational guy. The fact he spoke up means things Joel was doing have gotten so bad that Maxey felt it had to be said and he had to confront Joel.

Second, the fact it got leaked is an even bigger red flag. Whoever leaked it clearly either felt Joel wasn't taking it serious or the frustration was so high they risked breaking lockerroom code in order to give Joel a "kick in the a**" in hopes that it motivates him.

One thing I do know, Joel does not respond positive to being humiliated or insulted. I could be wrong, but I think within the next 5 games we are going to see Joel go one of two ways. He will either care about his image and try to get better or he'll shut it all down mentally and effort wise in a very public display of pouting. I have loved Joel from day one, but also feel I know his personality well enough at this point to know his response will be to pout.

I think it was Jinmy from Lowry, which was the whole point for the meeting right after the game as a favor for what they did to him in Philly.

https://youtube.com/shorts/oMvrgg5hWQk?si=1zHtNtPWnJxhJGy1

I don't think it's a coincidence that this leaks after Joel's response to was the team meeting "positive" and he snarked he didn't even know there was a meeting. I think that had a lot to do with someone in the org deciding to leak it. It also is why I don't think Joel responds in the way they hope.

The tank for Flagg/Ace/Tre/Egin will be real before Thanksgiving.

[Black Mage]

I was listening to Spike Eskin when talking to Sharp and he said ownership wouldn't agree to a tank for 2024 because they need Joel and a playoff team to sell tickets for a new stadium.

I think Spike is dead wrong. The City is turning on Joel, we're exhausted with this story. The only excitement this team has is Maxey and now McCain. Tanking to get a core of under 25 elite players is much more valuable for ownership whose new stadium wouldn't be ready anyway until Joel is on the wrong side of 33. Tanking now gives this team the best "bridge" to a turnaround team that the City can be excited for.

[ProcessDoctor]

Embiid being late for team activities on top of not producing on the court is a really bad look. Get it together man. You've been in the league for 10 years, it's time to start acting like an adult. Whenever things go awry he always gets like this. Start doing your job and start playing better.

Dude he’s 30 years old and his free throw routine involves sniffing his ass before he shoots. He is who he is at this point and there’s no reason to expect him to ever act mature.

It’s shaping up to be his last year in Philly anyways.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think this is going to be hard to turn around. We've got the talent, but I think the rest of the league has gotten better. Teams we used to feast on in the regular season like Detroit, Charlotte, and Orlando are all better. I think it's a combination of that and the fact that we limped into this season injured and unprepared. We're also basically a brand new roster and there is zero continuity right now. These guys don't know each other, Joel has set an awful example, PG looks disinterested, and Maxey has been hurt. I want to see this team at full health before I make a final call on the season (from my perspective). If we are still struggling to score 90 points with a fully healthy roster, then I'll be all for tanking for a top pick. It'll be worth it if we somehow ended up with Flagg or Ace.