wHatS WrOnG w/ bRuNsoN??

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aggo, KnicksGmen, Najeem, KnicksChrist AND even BUZZ can go EAD!

Brunson is adjusting to a new role and new teammates and has done a great job. The passing in particular has been really good. We are beyond blessed to have him! Ultimate leader!

[kNicksGmen]

lol thanks for the call out. i'm hopeful he can continue to get back on track after an uneven start to the year. teams putting big wings on him has definitely been a tough challenge to overcome. to me the bigger thing was I wanted to see the offense flowing more and the 2 man game with Kat being unlocked - which has looked very good at times against certain defenses.

after last season brunson was propelled into MVP - top 10 status. this comes with elevated and sometimes unfair expectations. it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with fans showing concern or frustration when he plays poorly and the team loses. it's part of fandom and is far more healthy than the "my fav player can do no wrong" types.

[Wildcat]

People are commenting on the eye test. Only issue I have with JB is the amount of open 3's he's missing. He should be automatic.

[mpharris36]

how does Green Satan take no shrapnel in this thread?

But in all seriousness Brunson is too talented, too hard working, to much of a heady basketball player not to figure it out. He's gotta think more because its not just score score score this year. It was always going to be the biggest adjustment for him playing with new teammates and playing with a stretch 5.

We don't have the same OFF rebounding team to bail out our offense so we use to just hunt ok to good shots knowing we could just beat teams on the glass...now we need to hunt good to great shots because of how talented our roster is offensively.

[gavran]

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aggo, KnicksGmen, Najeem, KnicksChrist AND even BUZZ can go EAD!

Brunson is adjusting to a new role and new teammates and has done a great job. The passing in particular has been really good. We are beyond blessed to have him! Ultimate leader!

He was less then 20 PPG scorer on sub 30 3PT% his first season during the same strech. Yeah, I'm worried.

[Spree2Houston]

Brunson went Super Sayian God Mode in the playoffs and people were expecting that going forward lol

[The KnicksFix]

Brunson went Super Sayian God Mode in the playoffs and people were expecting that going forward lol

Bro was rolling off 40 point games that only he and Jordan did, league and fans were like, we need this nightly bruh

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's funny watching fans say it's fair to have unrealistic expectations. There was nothing wrong with him at all. I would take aggo off the list though. He has joined the buzz hive this year with his posts. Patience is a virtue!

I kept trying to tell people to calm down but, whatever. They were simply wrong about things. Which is fine. We are all Knicks fans and we have a team to enjoy watching and talking about together. That's all that matters in the end. No need to keep harping on it but, thanks for the perspective that people refused to see.

[Jalen Bluntson]

how does Green Satan take no shrapnel in this thread?

But in all seriousness Brunson is too talented, too hard working, to much of a heady basketball player not to figure it out. He's gotta think more because its not just score score score this year. It was always going to be the biggest adjustment for him playing with new teammates and playing with a stretch 5.

We don't have the same OFF rebounding team to bail out our offense so we use to just hunt ok to good shots knowing we could just beat teams on the glass...now we need to hunt good to great shots because of how talented our roster is offensively.

I don't know if our OREB is the same but, Hart/KAT are killing it on the boards in general. Would be interesting to see the actual stat comps on those numbers.

[Jalen Bluntson]

lol thanks for the call out. i'm hopeful he can continue to get back on track after an uneven start to the year. teams putting big wings on him has definitely been a tough challenge to overcome. to me the bigger thing was I wanted to see the offense flowing more and the 2 man game with Kat being unlocked - which has looked very good at times against certain defenses.

after last season brunson was propelled into MVP - top 10 status. this comes with elevated and sometimes unfair expectations. it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with fans showing concern or frustration when he plays poorly and the team loses. it's part of fandom and is far more healthy than the "my fav player can do no wrong" types.

Except no one was doing that. He was not playing poorly. That's the part people kept ignoring. Expecting him to play any better than he was with an entirely new team in a new system was unrealistic.

[Capn'O]

Early on Brunson was putting up numbers but he wasn't as confident choosing his spots to take over and the offense looked a little out of sync as he was learning everyone else's best spots. I always expected those kinks to work themselves out. Like, he was doing stuff like looking for KAT where he used to find Randle on the wings but KAT's not as effective in those spots. He can't face up and create. Hit him dead center above the arc and he's dominant rolling to the rim or taking the shot. Likewise, he's learned to find Mikal either in the corners or around the elbows. Beyond that, Hart's been great as a second facilitator to give Brunson some second action looks, where the defense is less queued in. The Randle role, but Hart is less of a hub in and of himself and more of an initiator who takes what's there and makes good reads.

[thebuzzardman]

How did I get dragged into this slandering?

[rajajackal]

for the first several games brunson was hogging the ball while being defended extremely physically and costing the team possessions. now he is making the adjustments people hoped he would and the team looks great. this is an unearned victory lap

[NiceLikeChrist]

it was never about stats. it was his approach and his lack of adjustments through the first 10 games of the season. teams putting bigger, longer guys on him and he wants to go at them all game instead of finding ways to work an offense because lord knows thibs aint helping

hardly any 2-man game with him and kat. missing kat wide open a bunch of times. lack of 3pt attempts. think back to how many times we said "that was brunsons worst game with us" this season. there have been like 3 games where that has been a common sentiment.

looks like he is starting to figure it out hopefully things continue on an upward trajectory

[kNicksGmen]

lol thanks for the call out. i'm hopeful he can continue to get back on track after an uneven start to the year. teams putting big wings on him has definitely been a tough challenge to overcome. to me the bigger thing was I wanted to see the offense flowing more and the 2 man game with Kat being unlocked - which has looked very good at times against certain defenses.

after last season brunson was propelled into MVP - top 10 status. this comes with elevated and sometimes unfair expectations. it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with fans showing concern or frustration when he plays poorly and the team loses. it's part of fandom and is far more healthy than the "my fav player can do no wrong" types.

Except no one was doing that. He was not playing poorly. That's the part people kept ignoring. Expecting him to play any better than he was with an entirely new team in a new system was unrealistic.

agree to disagree. he played poorly in several games both shooting and distributing by the standards I expect from him. if you look at the totality of it - it wasn't "poor" but certainly far below expected standards of what we've all considered him to be now which is an MVP 1A guy. i don't think you can simultaneously say he's a top 5-10 MVP player but he has "unrealistic expectations". having off shooting games isn't a big deal but that wasn't the main issue - it was how he looked running the offense and just clearly not finding the balance of being aggressive and distributing

it was never about stats. it was his approach and his lack of adjustments through the first 10 games of the season. teams putting bigger, longer guys on him and he wants to go at them all game instead of finding ways to work an offense because lord knows thibs aint helping

hardly any 2-man game with him and kat. missing kat wide open a bunch of times. lack of 3pt attempts. think back to how many times we said "that was brunsons worst game with us" this season. there have been like 3 games where that has been a common sentiment.

looks like he is starting to figure it out hopefully things continue on an upward trajectory

exactly this. it's funny people in here acting celebratory as if anyone was ever rooting against brunson. we all want him to ball the F out and carry us to a title.

[moocow007]

How did I get dragged into this slandering?

[Jalen Bluntson]

lol thanks for the call out. i'm hopeful he can continue to get back on track after an uneven start to the year. teams putting big wings on him has definitely been a tough challenge to overcome. to me the bigger thing was I wanted to see the offense flowing more and the 2 man game with Kat being unlocked - which has looked very good at times against certain defenses.

after last season brunson was propelled into MVP - top 10 status. this comes with elevated and sometimes unfair expectations. it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with fans showing concern or frustration when he plays poorly and the team loses. it's part of fandom and is far more healthy than the "my fav player can do no wrong" types.

Except no one was doing that. He was not playing poorly. That's the part people kept ignoring. Expecting him to play any better than he was with an entirely new team in a new system was unrealistic.

agree to disagree. he played poorly in several games both shooting and distributing by the standards I expect from him. if you look at the totality of it - it wasn't "poor" but certainly far below expected standards of what we've all considered him to be now which is an MVP 1A guy. i don't think you can simultaneously say he's a top 5-10 MVP player but he has "unrealistic expectations". having off shooting games isn't a big deal but that wasn't the main issue - it was how he looked running the offense and just clearly not finding the balance of being aggressive and distributing

it was never about stats. it was his approach and his lack of adjustments through the first 10 games of the season. teams putting bigger, longer guys on him and he wants to go at them all game instead of finding ways to work an offense because lord knows thibs aint helping

hardly any 2-man game with him and kat. missing kat wide open a bunch of times. lack of 3pt attempts. think back to how many times we said "that was brunsons worst game with us" this season. there have been like 3 games where that has been a common sentiment.

looks like he is starting to figure it out hopefully things continue on an upward trajectory

exactly this. it's funny people in here acting celebratory as if anyone was ever rooting against brunson. we all want him to ball the F out and carry us to a title.

So by having unrealistic expectations you're right and everyone else is wrong? Nice try but, no. It was an ENTIRELY NEW LINEUP playing in an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM compared to the last couple of years. Running 6.5 man rotations that led to losses is not on him. His numbers show he didn't play poorly at all. He actually played better distribution wise after THIRTEEN games. Did it click on day one? No. It NEVER does given the situation. How long did the Heat take to get it together before winning multiple titles? That was with HOF level players.

You guys acting like he was not playing well took no time to consider the facts of the situation. People were complaining from the jump. So being unrealistic is on you. It was shortsighted and lazy. The numbers support that.

[rajajackal]

Except no one was doing that. He was not playing poorly. That's the part people kept ignoring. Expecting him to play any better than he was with an entirely new team in a new system was unrealistic.

agree to disagree. he played poorly in several games both shooting and distributing by the standards I expect from him. if you look at the totality of it - it wasn't "poor" but certainly far below expected standards of what we've all considered him to be now which is an MVP 1A guy. i don't think you can simultaneously say he's a top 5-10 MVP player but he has "unrealistic expectations". having off shooting games isn't a big deal but that wasn't the main issue - it was how he looked running the offense and just clearly not finding the balance of being aggressive and distributing

it was never about stats. it was his approach and his lack of adjustments through the first 10 games of the season. teams putting bigger, longer guys on him and he wants to go at them all game instead of finding ways to work an offense because lord knows thibs aint helping

hardly any 2-man game with him and kat. missing kat wide open a bunch of times. lack of 3pt attempts. think back to how many times we said "that was brunsons worst game with us" this season. there have been like 3 games where that has been a common sentiment.

looks like he is starting to figure it out hopefully things continue on an upward trajectory

exactly this. it's funny people in here acting celebratory as if anyone was ever rooting against brunson. we all want him to ball the F out and carry us to a title.

So by having unrealistic expectations you're right and everyone else is wrong? Nice try but, no. It was an ENTIRELY NEW LINEUP playing in an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM compared to the last couple of years. Running 6.5 man rotations that led to losses is not on him. His numbers show he didn't play poorly at all. He actually played better distribution wise after THIRTEEN games. Did it click on day one? No. It NEVER does given the situation. How long did the Heat take to get it together before winning multiple titles? That was with HOF level players.

You guys acting like he was not playing well took no time to consider the facts of the situation. People were complaining from the jump. So being unrealistic is on you. It was shortsighted and lazy. The numbers support that.

i think the disconnect here is that you think saying he was playing poorly in his role for a few games is saying he is a poor player. yes it was realistically going to take time to figure it out. that doesn't mean "he didn't play poorly at all". it means he played poorly to start the season, which can be true at the same time as him being an elite nba player

everybody here has seen 2 seasons of brunson being a phenomenal leader, a steady hand, and a major scoring talent using fundamental skills. nobody but a troll would say that he isn't a great knick. nobody even doubted he'd iron it out. they just wanted him to hurry up and do so asap because they are fans of the team and want to watch great winning basketball

[Jalen Bluntson]

agree to disagree. he played poorly in several games both shooting and distributing by the standards I expect from him. if you look at the totality of it - it wasn't "poor" but certainly far below expected standards of what we've all considered him to be now which is an MVP 1A guy. i don't think you can simultaneously say he's a top 5-10 MVP player but he has "unrealistic expectations". having off shooting games isn't a big deal but that wasn't the main issue - it was how he looked running the offense and just clearly not finding the balance of being aggressive and distributing
exactly this. it's funny people in here acting celebratory as if anyone was ever rooting against brunson. we all want him to ball the F out and carry us to a title.

So by having unrealistic expectations you're right and everyone else is wrong? Nice try but, no. It was an ENTIRELY NEW LINEUP playing in an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM compared to the last couple of years. Running 6.5 man rotations that led to losses is not on him. His numbers show he didn't play poorly at all. He actually played better distribution wise after THIRTEEN games. Did it click on day one? No. It NEVER does given the situation. How long did the Heat take to get it together before winning multiple titles? That was with HOF level players.

You guys acting like he was not playing well took no time to consider the facts of the situation. People were complaining from the jump. So being unrealistic is on you. It was shortsighted and lazy. The numbers support that.

i think the disconnect here is that you think saying he was playing poorly in his role for a few games is saying he is a poor player. yes it was realistically going to take time to figure it out. that doesn't mean "he didn't play poorly at all". it means he played poorly to start the season, which can be true at the same time as him being an elite nba player

everybody here has seen 2 seasons of brunson being a phenomenal leader, a steady hand, and a major scoring talent using fundamental skills. nobody but a troll would say that he isn't a great knick. nobody even doubted he'd iron it out. they just wanted him to hurry up and do so asap because they are fans of the team and want to watch great winning basketball

No. The disconnect is that people weren't even trying to be patient at all. I was having this discussion with several people. Patience. That's all. We aren't even 1/4 of the way through the season yet and the complaints were rolling in after two or three games. It wasn't until the second Nets game that people started to calm down.

I never said he wasn't off to a slow start or that he didn't struggle at times. I just put the context in that people were ignoring. New team new system no bench. It didn't matter. Now they wanna act like they were right for being impatient and expecting things to hum along as they were? No. It was silly then and it will remain silly long after the team is firing on all cylinders. Patience.

Like I have said repeatedly, none of it matters that much. We are all Knicks fans with a great team to root for. That's the part we need to focus on.

[rajajackal]

So by having unrealistic expectations you're right and everyone else is wrong? Nice try but, no. It was an ENTIRELY NEW LINEUP playing in an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM compared to the last couple of years. Running 6.5 man rotations that led to losses is not on him. His numbers show he didn't play poorly at all. He actually played better distribution wise after THIRTEEN games. Did it click on day one? No. It NEVER does given the situation. How long did the Heat take to get it together before winning multiple titles? That was with HOF level players.

You guys acting like he was not playing well took no time to consider the facts of the situation. People were complaining from the jump. So being unrealistic is on you. It was shortsighted and lazy. The numbers support that.

i think the disconnect here is that you think saying he was playing poorly in his role for a few games is saying he is a poor player. yes it was realistically going to take time to figure it out. that doesn't mean "he didn't play poorly at all". it means he played poorly to start the season, which can be true at the same time as him being an elite nba player

everybody here has seen 2 seasons of brunson being a phenomenal leader, a steady hand, and a major scoring talent using fundamental skills. nobody but a troll would say that he isn't a great knick. nobody even doubted he'd iron it out. they just wanted him to hurry up and do so asap because they are fans of the team and want to watch great winning basketball

No. The disconnect is that people weren't even trying to be patient at all. I was having this discussion with several people. Patience. That's all. We aren't even 1/4 of the way through the season yet and the complaints were rolling in after two or three games. It wasn't until the second Nets game that people started to calm down.

I never said he wasn't off to a slow start or that he didn't struggle at times. I just put the context in that people were ignoring. New team new system no bench. It didn't matter. Now they wanna act like they were right for being impatient and expecting things to hum along as they were? No. It was silly then and it will remain silly long after the team is firing on all cylinders. Patience.

Like I have said repeatedly, none of it matters that much. We are all Knicks fans with a great team to root for. That's the part we need to focus on.

again, there's a disconnect, because saying people should be more patient is different than saying that brunson was playing well to start the year. all i'm saying. i think it's okay to comment on things as they are happening in real time and also maintain a zoomed out wider perspective on them