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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#581 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:10 pm

Iceman36 wrote:Come on guys! It's way too much negativity in here. Go away with stupid trade proposals. It is a star driven league and EVERY team struggles, when 2 of your 3 best players or 3 of your S5 are out several games. It all depends on luck. Cavs are really healthy until now. So you just have to get through this phases of a season. I like our team this year.

My feeling exactly

After a pretty good start, we're 1-4 in the last 5 game against good teams and with my decades of basketball watching experience, I've come to the the super hot take conclusion that.......we're not the same team without Kevin Durant and Brad Beal.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#582 » by Slim Charless » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:16 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:Damn near everyone is a max or near max player these days if they show even some hint of elite potential. Given Chet's impact, potential and youth, he's absolutely a max player in today's NBA. FWIW, he did play 82 games last season which is also pretty rare in today's NBA.


We won't get Chet but speaking of other centers........not saying that I'd do this but wanted to gauge the room:

Booker for Embiid?

Ty Jones
Beal
Dunn
KD
Embiid

Is a team who's parts fit better and maybe a change of scenery is what's needed for Biid. Playing with KD would be awesome for both of them on paper, at least. I think Philly would jump all over that deal personally.

Thoughts?

No


Counter point:

Yes.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#583 » by Slim Charless » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:22 pm

sunsbum wrote:
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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Or Booker on the Suns!


Yeah. That's what I was thinking, that Embiid wants out. Nothing over there seems like this vibes and it could be both sides wanna change.

As for Booker, going to Philly would get him in a bigger market, which he'll like and he'll still have his own team. Him and Maxey could be a pairing for the next decade.

For us, the fit is easy and just better. Provided our elite medical staff can still work their magic.
That's actually not a bad trade for us. I don't think the sixers have any reason to want Book with PG/Maxey there. Feels like trading Booker just for the sake of it though.


I kinda felt that a Booker and Maxey combo would be awesome. Both young dudes too. Pg13 as the 3rd wheel and mismatch. That team could give Boston and NYK alot of trouble imo.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#584 » by sunsbum » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:29 pm

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Yeah. That's what I was thinking, that Embiid wants out. Nothing over there seems like this vibes and it could be both sides wanna change.

As for Booker, going to Philly would get him in a bigger market, which he'll like and he'll still have his own team. Him and Maxey could be a pairing for the next decade.

For us, the fit is easy and just better. Provided our elite medical staff can still work their magic.
That's actually not a bad trade for us. I don't think the sixers have any reason to want Book with PG/Maxey there. Feels like trading Booker just for the sake of it though.


I kinda felt that a Booker and Maxey combo would be awesome. Both young dudes too. Pg13 as the 3rd wheel and mismatch. That team could give Boston and NYK alot of trouble imo.
Whoa, Maxey just requested a trade, did anyone see this? Edit: Nevermind, I guess theres a fake shams twitter that just randomly popped up in my feed.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#585 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:40 pm

sunsbum wrote:
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sunsbum wrote: That's actually not a bad trade for us. I don't think the sixers have any reason to want Book with PG/Maxey there. Feels like trading Booker just for the sake of it though.


I kinda felt that a Booker and Maxey combo would be awesome. Both young dudes too. Pg13 as the 3rd wheel and mismatch. That team could give Boston and NYK alot of trouble imo.
Whoa, Maxey just requested a trade, did anyone see this?

No? Where? I've only seen him call out Embiid
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#586 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:55 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Damn near everyone is a max or near max player these days if they show even some hint of elite potential. Given Chet's impact, potential and youth, he's absolutely a max player in today's NBA. FWIW, he did play 82 games last season which is also pretty rare in today's NBA.


We won't get Chet but speaking of other centers........not saying that I'd do this but wanted to gauge the room:

Booker for Embiid?

Ty Jones
Beal
Dunn
KD
Embiid

Is a team who's parts fit better and maybe a change of scenery is what's needed for Biid. Playing with KD would be awesome for both of them on paper, at least. I think Philly would jump all over that deal personally.

Thoughts?

The Sixers will not trade Embiid. They would trade him ONLY if he wants out... similar to KD on the Nets.


He is also always injured and said he will not play in b2bs anymore. We have 16 of those. That's a lot of games to just not play.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#587 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:02 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
We won't get Chet but speaking of other centers........not saying that I'd do this but wanted to gauge the room:

Booker for Embiid?

Ty Jones
Beal
Dunn
KD
Embiid

Is a team who's parts fit better and maybe a change of scenery is what's needed for Biid. Playing with KD would be awesome for both of them on paper, at least. I think Philly would jump all over that deal personally.

Thoughts?

The Sixers will not trade Embiid. They would trade him ONLY if he wants out... similar to KD on the Nets.


He is also always injured and said he will not play in b2bs anymore. We have 16 of those. That's a lot of games to just not play.

Embiid is approaching Kawhi territory, if he's not there already. Either unavailable or playing hurt in the playoffs is getting to be the norm for them. No B2B's, load managed all season long and unlike Kawhi, Embiid hasn't even gotten out of the 2nd round. To me, at least Kawhi has 2 titles and 2 Finals MVP's, and has at least earned the load management
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#588 » by Slim Charless » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:12 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:The Sixers will not trade Embiid. They would trade him ONLY if he wants out... similar to KD on the Nets.


He is also always injured and said he will not play in b2bs anymore. We have 16 of those. That's a lot of games to just not play.

Embiid is approaching Kawhi territory, if he's not there already. Either unavailable or playing hurt in the playoffs is getting to be the norm for them. No B2B's, load managed all season long and unlike Kawhi, Embiid hasn't even gotten out of the 2nd round. To me, at least Kawhi has 2 titles and 2 Finals MVP's, and has at least earned the load management


That's as the main guy. Here he'd be the 2nd option behind KD. I think it'll be a different situation for us.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#589 » by Qwigglez » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:23 am

Slim Charless wrote:We won't get Chet but speaking of other centers........not saying that I'd do this but wanted to gauge the room:

Booker for Embiid?

Ty Jones
Beal
Dunn
KD
Embiid

Is a team who's parts fit better and maybe a change of scenery is what's needed for Biid. Playing with KD would be awesome for both of them on paper, at least. I think Philly would jump all over that deal personally.

Thoughts?



Absolutely not, and I could not see Ishbia trading Booker. But... I'd do Beal for Embiid. :lol:
Embiid would have to request a trade specifically to Phoenix, Beal would have to waive his no-trade clause. And we'd have to probably part ways with our beloved Nurkic (maybe for Kelly Oubre as two separate deals). Likely have to include Dunn as a filler for Embiid too, along with the Suns 2031 1st round pick (again... probably a separate deal, for whoever makes less than Dunn).

Ty Jones
Booker
Oubre
KD
Embiid

Monte
Grayson
Royce
Plumlee
Oso
Okogie
Bol

I don't think we can trade Booker or Beal for Embiid though since Embiid makes slightly more money than either of them. I think Silver will probably adjust the luxury tax threshold because if players started demanding a trade request, it may get ugly where these players can't go to the destination that they want to go to.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#590 » by Slim Charless » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:29 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:We won't get Chet but speaking of other centers........not saying that I'd do this but wanted to gauge the room:

Booker for Embiid?

Ty Jones
Beal
Dunn
KD
Embiid

Is a team who's parts fit better and maybe a change of scenery is what's needed for Biid. Playing with KD would be awesome for both of them on paper, at least. I think Philly would jump all over that deal personally.

Thoughts?



Absolutely not, and I could not see Ishbia trading Booker. But... I'd do Beal for Embiid. :lol:
Embiid would have to request a trade specifically to Phoenix, Beal would have to waive his no-trade clause. And we'd have to probably part ways with our beloved Nurkic (maybe for Kelly Oubre as two separate deals). Likely have to include Dunn as a filler for Embiid too, along with the Suns 2031 1st round pick (again... probably a separate deal, for whoever makes less than Dunn).

Ty Jones
Booker
Oubre
KD
Embiid

Monte
Grayson
Royce
Plumlee
Oso
Okogie
Bol

I don't think we can trade Booker or Beal for Embiid though since Embiid makes slightly more money than either of them. I think Silver will probably adjust the luxury tax threshold because if players started demanding a trade request, it may get ugly where these players can't go to the destination that they want to go to.


Check your PMs.....speaking of trades.






As to this post, there's no way Philly agrees to Beal for Biid. On paper, Booker for him makes sense. Kinda.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#591 » by sunsbg » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:27 am

When do we start making trades for players who are not made of glass ?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#592 » by Slim Charless » Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:23 am

sunsbg wrote:When do we start making trades for players who are not made of glass ?


This is very true and the biggest problem with the trade. The idea of Embiid, Beal and KD all being healthy at the same time and for a playoff run is....daunting to say the least lol.

That said, the ceiling of that team is higher than our current team's ceiling. At Ieast I think.
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Post#593 » by Frank Lee » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:40 pm

Good luck trying to trade any of our 150 million $ trio. Just don’t see any landing points that make sense or yield a positive return. This is the bed that was made by impulsive buy me a ring GMing. Are we good…? Yeah…. Are we a contender…? Not really. Will we be better next year…? Unlikely. Too much riding on a spindly 38 yr old with very few options to improve the supporting cast. We are slow, small, and fragile.

We essentially have GAllen and RONeal to trade, may be Okogie….sure we could move one of the rooks, but the restrictions from the salcap rules limit the return. May be we just swap some minimum deals? Why would opposing teams do this? We cant sprinkle in draft picks nor combine young prospect toss ins.

I’m guessing we just ride this out, more so from necessity than desire.





The only trades I’ve been able to come up with is GAllen for KOlynyck or TimeLord…..and why would either team do it? Allen is good but unless he just kills it from three, he’s just another chucker.
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Post#594 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Good luck trying to trade any of our 150 million $ trio. Just don’t see any landing points that make sense or yield a positive return. This is the bed that was made by impulsive buy me a ring GMing. Are we good…? Yeah…. Are we a contender…? Not really. Will we be better next year…? Unlikely. Too much riding on a spindly 38 yr old with very few options to improve the supporting cast. We are slow, small, and fragile.

We essentially have GAllen and RONeal to trade, may be Okogie….sure we could move one of the rooks, but the restrictions from the salcap rules limit the return. May be we just swap some minimum deals? Why would opposing teams do this? We cant sprinkle in draft picks nor combine young prospect toss ins.

I’m guessing we just ride this out, more so from necessity than desire.

The only trades I’ve been able to come up with is GAllen for KOlynyck or TimeLord…..and why would either team do it? Allen is good but unless he just kills it from three, he’s just another chucker.


Yeah, we are where we are, and Ish is extremely unlikely to alter the course. Even though you can see these teams that built through the draft which I have always advocated for because the teams who draft well and build from within are the sustainable ones, like OKC, Houston, the new Spurs, GS and what they did before (and now), Denver, Cleveland, at least with Mobley and Garland, with nice trades for younger players, Utah now has a ton of assets and Ainge drafts well, Boston built their core with trades, and added the right vet pieces around them.

The teams trading for aging stars like us, both LA teams, Miami, and what Brooklyn did twice, have shown that it doesn't work, at least not for long.

One the plus side, our team, IF they can stay healthy, is pretty solid with great depth, and we did add very very solid rookies.

However, when we made the KD trade which I hated, giving up the future for a very injury prone aging star, might have helped us short term, but we were never going to be any sort of a clear cut finals favorite...just at best, in the mix. Had we kept our young guys and picks, we could have retooled around them with hopefully solid picks. The Haliburton miss stings, and of course the Ayton pick earlier, but I don't see us really competing for a championship any time soon, and likely won't be a contender until we get a chance to rebuild, which won't start until the early 30s, unless we nail very late picks in 26, 28 and 30.

And if KD continues to be injured or declines, Book I imagine, will want out not long after...though that won't necessarily be a bad thing at that point, though the teams that may want him then, are not likely the young and up coming teams, but they ones like the LA teams who go for aging stars rather than rookie contracts and building through the draft. Unless a team like Denver wants to pair him with Jokic. But the teams that are more likely to want him would likely be devoid of draft picks.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#595 » by sunsbg » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:30 pm

Based on the quotes from Ishbia in KD thread he'll throw 120M at KD even if he misses rest of the season with injury or the team fails miserably again. Once KD and Beal's contracts are off 27/28 could be a rebuild year or Ishbia will just throw money at next big name on the market.
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Post#596 » by kwsqd » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:37 pm

I'm not sure where to post this, but I'm hoping someone here can help me. I'm looking at going to a Suns game next week and I found seats that are attractive in the 100 level, row 24. My only issue is that the seats are aisle seats next to the tunnel/entrance where fans enter the lower level from the concourse. Does anyone have any experience with seats like these or know if the views are blocked/obstructed by the entrance? I'm hoping they won't be, but I figured I'd ask here in case someone has sat in similar seats before. Thank you in advance.
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Post#597 » by Saberestar » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:28 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Too much riding on a spindly 38 yr old with very few options to improve the supporting cast.

KD is 36.
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Post#599 » by sunsbum » Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:37 pm

I just realized nurk is literally untradable. Between salary matching and need. Bummer.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#600 » by garrick » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:21 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Good luck trying to trade any of our 150 million $ trio. Just don’t see any landing points that make sense or yield a positive return. This is the bed that was made by impulsive buy me a ring GMing. Are we good…? Yeah…. Are we a contender…? Not really. Will we be better next year…? Unlikely. Too much riding on a spindly 38 yr old with very few options to improve the supporting cast. We are slow, small, and fragile.

We essentially have GAllen and RONeal to trade, may be Okogie….sure we could move one of the rooks, but the restrictions from the salcap rules limit the return. May be we just swap some minimum deals? Why would opposing teams do this? We cant sprinkle in draft picks nor combine young prospect toss ins.

I’m guessing we just ride this out, more so from necessity than desire.

The only trades I’ve been able to come up with is GAllen for KOlynyck or TimeLord…..and why would either team do it? Allen is good but unless he just kills it from three, he’s just another chucker.


Yeah, we are where we are, and Ish is extremely unlikely to alter the course. Even though you can see these teams that built through the draft which I have always advocated for because the teams who draft well and build from within are the sustainable ones, like OKC, Houston, the new Spurs, GS and what they did before (and now), Denver, Cleveland, at least with Mobley and Garland, with nice trades for younger players, Utah now has a ton of assets and Ainge drafts well, Boston built their core with trades, and added the right vet pieces around them.

The teams trading for aging stars like us, both LA teams, Miami, and what Brooklyn did twice, have shown that it doesn't work, at least not for long.

One the plus side, our team, IF they can stay healthy, is pretty solid with great depth, and we did add very very solid rookies.

However, when we made the KD trade which I hated, giving up the future for a very injury prone aging star, might have helped us short term, but we were never going to be any sort of a clear cut finals favorite...just at best, in the mix. Had we kept our young guys and picks, we could have retooled around them with hopefully solid picks. The Haliburton miss stings, and of course the Ayton pick earlier, but I don't see us really competing for a championship any time soon, and likely won't be a contender until we get a chance to rebuild, which won't start until the early 30s, unless we nail very late picks in 26, 28 and 30.

And if KD continues to be injured or declines, Book I imagine, will want out not long after...though that won't necessarily be a bad thing at that point, though the teams that may want him then, are not likely the young and up coming teams, but they ones like the LA teams who go for aging stars rather than rookie contracts and building through the draft. Unless a team like Denver wants to pair him with Jokic. But the teams that are more likely to want him would likely be devoid of draft picks.


Brooklyn has a ton of picks now so they would make the ideal trade partner for Booker who is the most tradable asset out of the big 3.

However hopefully they have learned not to throw big money at players and they instead choose to draft wisely with all the picks they got back for the KD and Mikail trades.

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