Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[stellation]

Most shot attempts in the restricted area per game:

Giannis 12.5




Zion 9.5
AD 8.5
Jokic 7.5

Giannis places few restrictions on where he should shoot from, yet he still is letting go of 12.5 of them a game? All limitations are self imposed.

I read that correctly. I know bocksketball.

[JayMKE]

Dame is more of an issue without the ball, he literally cements his feet to the floor in the corner like its a form of protest for not getting the ball. Every other great scorer becomes more efficient with better teammates who take off "the load" but Dame becomes more inefficient, "the load" being Dame's excuse for never playing defense somehow has him playing worse than ever there. If he's not pounding the ball Dame is a net negative player, its dumb having him on a team with Giannis. Doesn't create for anybody but himself, Giannis is whipping the ball all around the court when he's pounding it at least. Dame has to pound the ball enough to grift FTs and clank 3s. This team would definitely be better with Jrue, Dejounte Murray, probably even Tyler Herro if we're being honest. Total sunk cost keeping this team together. I know a contender when I see one, this aint it!

[Plossum]

Soooo, any chance Philly goes full panic mode and bites on a trade centered around Dame for Maxey?

[JayMKE]

Soooo, any chance Philly goes full panic mode and bites on a trade centered around Dame for Maxey?

would probably have better luck with Embiid

[ShootingtheJ]

I was pounding the table for us to move up and draft him in '22 lol, so there will be no Tari Eason slander on my watch. But it's also funny to try and now spin this as a "Dame can't shoot 3's anymore" problem after the last *checks notes* 3-games of basketball (Van Vleet shooting 31% on the year FYI), one of which he was severely concussed, cuz you know, goalposts. He'll erupt for 30+ while splashing pull-up 3's in one of these next couple games and it'll be crickets as usual.

I'm not trying to get FVV, so leave me out of conversations about him.

Dame to Miami, Jimmy to Houston, Eason to the Bucks, with salary filler and 1sts to spread around the league for 2 more significant players.

Dames oversized contract gives us a huge salary slot to fill, and there's tanking teams that have already won too much and need to make moves quickly.

Trading Dame isn't addition by subtraction; he will be in the Hall of Fame. Getting a bench player in return and 1sts that we might not get anything of value for is very risky. I think you should schedule yourself a minor July surgery to fix your posts for next season.. you can play video games while you recover while your pasta chef whips up meals for you. Then you can come back to posting on a minutes restriction next December or January like your boy.

Dames hall of fame resume was earned in his prime, not the player he is now. Then he broke his jump shot. He won't even make the All-Star team this year. The picks we'd acquire in a Dame trade would be immediately rerouted to tanking teams like Brooklyn and Washington.

Funny you call Eason a bench player. He's more Victories Over Replacement than Dame this year. What does that say about Dame?

After he's dealt, Dame can keep doing what he's always done. Get buckets on mediocre teams. He isn't like Giannis, he doesn't make anyone better.

[LUKE23]

To me, this seems more coaching related and also several players shooting career low from 3 than it is a massive GA/Lillard fit issue.

From 01/26 to 05/02 last year, GA/Lillard had a 2-man net rating of +11.1. The GA/Lillard/KM trio had a net rating of +18.1.

Lillard individually was 24.8 pp36 @ .590 TS last year and is 25.6 pp36 @ .597 TS this year.

GA individually was 31.2 pp36 @ .649 TS last year and is 32.0 pp36 @ .615 TS this year.

The GA/Lillard duo has a net rating of -2.8 this year.

To me, this shows two things very clearly:

1. The coaching/offensive scheme is not the same as last year, and/or is not maximizing the Dame/GA pairing like it did last year. I will let someone with a deeper understand of our scheme answer there.
2. The career low 3-point shooting from several rotation players is killing the net rating of several lineups.

I guess what I'm saying is - we have seen the duo work, and we have definitely seen the trio work. If this is coaching/scheme related, then there needs to be an intervention. We are also not going to be a great offensive team as long as we have:

Lopez at .333 from 3 (career .349).
Dame at .327 from 3 (career .370).
Trent at .316 from 3 (career .384).
PC at .300 from 3 (career .356).
Portis at .275 from 3 (career .382).
Wright at .250 from 3 (career .352).

Factoring in the above numbers, and the fact KM hasn't played yet, I don't know, I still think it's very possible a great offense is there. But I'd really like to see/hear what they have changed this year schematically, if anything.

[Prez]

Soooo, any chance Philly goes full panic mode and bites on a trade centered around Dame for Maxey?

They're definitely not trading Maxey but I'd be intrigued with a McCain and picks package.

[Bernman]

We should be shopping a big.

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[raferfenix]

Brook was linked to the Lakers over the summer but idk if I see it.

Maybe a Bobby destination though?

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[htr]

Knecht and whatever filler for Bobby and Beauchamp works for me.

[ShootingtheJ]

Brook was linked to the Lakers over the summer but idk if I see it.

Maybe a Bobby destination though?

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They want a shot blocker. All their tradable contracts suck though.

[ShootingtheJ]

Heat get: Dame
Rockets get: Jimmy Butler, Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith
Nets get: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Rockets 1st, Heat 1st
Wizards get: Dillon Brooks, Pat Connaughton, Rockets 1st, 2 Rockets 2nds
Bucks get: Tari Eason, Cam Johnson, Jordan Poole

Bucks slip just under the 2nd apron. Poole is back to his 21-22 form, when he helped the Warriors win the ship, and is averaging 22 ppg with a 61 TS%. He'd give Giannis his 1st 3 point shooting PG of his career.

The Bucks now have an ultra versatile roster with Johnson, who can play the 2-4 and provide the playoff 3 point shooting we've always needed. Eason unlocks Giannis at center lineups with his rebounding and rim protecting while also being switchable. Portis trade still to come.

[Baddy Chuck]

Heat get: Dame
Rockets get: Jimmy Butler, Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith
Nets get: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Rockets 1st, Heat 1st
Wizards get: Dillon Brooks, Pat Connaughton, Rockets 1st, 2 Rockets 2nds
Bucks get: Tari Eason, Cam Johnson, Jordan Poole

Bucks slip just under the 2nd apron. Poole is back to his 21-22 form, when he helped the Warriors win the ship, and is averaging 22 ppg with a 61 TS%. He'd give Giannis his 1st 3 point shooting PG of his career.

The Bucks now have an ultra versatile roster with Johnson, who can play the 2-4 and provide the playoff 3 point shooting we've always needed. Eason unlocks Giannis at center lineups with his rebounding and rim protecting while also being switchable. Portis trade still to come.

I'm fine with the idea, especially knowing how much you like Eason, but at some point the contradictions with some guys just have to make sense.

The first three point shooting guard Giannis has ever played with to you would be a 34% career shooter whose best season (that championship year) he shot 36%. He's every bit as much of simply a gunner as Dame is if we're being honest. His current stretch of 13 games shooting is simply nowhere what he is likely to round out being. He hasn't shot over 40% from three in a month since the 21-22 season where he did it once, hell Dame did it twice last season.

[raferfenix]

So if it's really not worth Giannis adjusting his game to make it work better with Dame...

...does prioritizing a PF like Tari Eason as the primary return make sense?

Giannis becoming more of a center ala KG absolutely makes sense in theory.

But if he's not going to commit to setting hard screens / defense / rebounding somewhat at the expense of being the primary ball handler and scorer -- than would we need someone bigger than 6'8 who can do those things (including blocking shots) as the long term Brook replacement in the starting lineup?

[Ron Swanson]

"They have assets" lol. Never underestimate how hard the media will simp for teams like Miami and LA to make their junk players look enviable. I mean sure, if they wanted to go all in, they'd have two future firsts to deal and 2-3 pick swaps. So does pretty much every team in the league that hasn't exhausted their draft capital. D'Angelo Russell, Austin Reaves, Jalen Hood-Schifino, and whatever crap salary filler isn't getting them anyone good though.

[soxperry]

We are doing this Dame thing again...

His shot is not broken. He came into this season and it looked better than ever. Slumps happen. Dude had a concussion which obviously severely affected him in the Boston game where he air balled multiple attempts.

Its been 14 games and he looks more athletic than last year

Chilllllllllllllllll

[fan230]

Dame is more of an issue without the ball, he literally cements his feet to the floor in the corner like its a form of protest for not getting the ball. Every other great scorer becomes more efficient with better teammates who take off "the load" but Dame becomes more inefficient, "the load" being Dame's excuse for never playing defense somehow has him playing worse than ever there. If he's not pounding the ball Dame is a net negative player, its dumb having him on a team with Giannis. Doesn't create for anybody but himself, Giannis is whipping the ball all around the court when he's pounding it at least. Dame has to pound the ball enough to grift FTs and clank 3s. This team would definitely be better with Jrue, Dejounte Murray, probably even Tyler Herro if we're being honest. Total sunk cost keeping this team together. I know a contender when I see one, this aint it!

Most of us liked the acquisition of Dame. He truly has been a disappointment as you have described above.

I think they have modified the coaching from last year because they realized that the screening duo of Dame and Giannis just was not going to work. They are a bad fit together. Their styles are entirely different. Jrue and Giannis had fit very well together. Remember the alley oops, remember the excitement? Also Dame doesn’t make anyone better even as a pg. His defense always puts the team under pressure. Yes he is clutch but that is little compensation for all the other disadvantages.

I think the Bucks are waiting for Khris to play before they make a decision for the immediate future. If the 3 way interaction between Khris Giannis and Dame make the team much improved, they will not change the combination, else they should look for a good return for Dame.

[paulpressey25]

Heat get: Dame
Rockets get: Jimmy Butler, Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith
Nets get: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Rockets 1st, Heat 1st
Wizards get: Dillon Brooks, Pat Connaughton, Rockets 1st, 2 Rockets 2nds
Bucks get: Tari Eason, Cam Johnson, Jordan Poole
.

Rockets giving up two firsts and Eason and Brooks for Jimmy doesn’t seem like something they’d do. I like it for us though.

[ShootingtheJ]

Heat get: Dame
Rockets get: Jimmy Butler, Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith
Nets get: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Rockets 1st, Heat 1st
Wizards get: Dillon Brooks, Pat Connaughton, Rockets 1st, 2 Rockets 2nds
Bucks get: Tari Eason, Cam Johnson, Jordan Poole
.

Rockets giving up two firsts and Eason and Brooks for Jimmy doesn’t seem like something they’d do. I like it for us though.

I think the Rockets do to get out from under Brooks ugly contract. However, if they don't, I could throw in our 2031 pick. I'd be comfortable with that considering we're acquiring a 23 year old and a 25 year old.

[ShootingtheJ]

Heat get: Dame
Rockets get: Jimmy Butler, Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith
Nets get: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Rockets 1st, Heat 1st
Wizards get: Dillon Brooks, Pat Connaughton, Rockets 1st, 2 Rockets 2nds
Bucks get: Tari Eason, Cam Johnson, Jordan Poole

Bucks slip just under the 2nd apron. Poole is back to his 21-22 form, when he helped the Warriors win the ship, and is averaging 22 ppg with a 61 TS%. He'd give Giannis his 1st 3 point shooting PG of his career.

The Bucks now have an ultra versatile roster with Johnson, who can play the 2-4 and provide the playoff 3 point shooting we've always needed. Eason unlocks Giannis at center lineups with his rebounding and rim protecting while also being switchable. Portis trade still to come.

I'm fine with the idea, especially knowing how much you like Eason, but at some point the contradictions with some guys just have to make sense.

The first three point shooting guard Giannis has ever played with to you would be a 34% career shooter whose best season (that championship year) he shot 36%. He's every bit as much of simply a gunner as Dame is if we're being honest. His current stretch of 13 games shooting is simply nowhere what he is likely to round out being. He hasn't shot over 40% from three in a month since the 21-22 season where he did it once, hell Dame did it twice last season.

If you weren't being a contrarian, you'd likely admit that Poole shooting under 28% from 3 as a 20 year old rookie is fairly irrelevant to how he'll shoot at a 25-27 year old.

You'd probably also admit that you're fully aware of Poole's journey, how he completely lost focus after winning the Finals and getting a fat contract, and how he needed help after Draymonds sucker punch knocked him out.

You'd probably even admit that you're aware of how anyone who has seen him play this year will tell you he looks like and had built upon the player he was at 21-22, the player the Warriors gave a max extension to.

If you weren't being a contrarian, and instead decided not to contradict your own knowledge, you'd probably tell me the relevant data suggests he projects to being a serious 3 point shooter from ages 25-27.