Charles in Charge: The Charles Lee Thread

[yosemiteben]

I dunno, I've seen him yell at guys on the sideline plenty of times. I don't think he's only sunshine and rainbows.

Yeah he's been pretty vocal from what I have seen. He's got on Melo a few times and he's our best player.

My only complaint with Lee so far is the 3pt shots. We should design some plays to get easier baskets at the rim or mid range.

He's not going to prioritize the midrange, he's following the Boston shot diet.

[JustBuzzin]

I dunno, I've seen him yell at guys on the sideline plenty of times. I don't think he's only sunshine and rainbows.

Yeah he's been pretty vocal from what I have seen. He's got on Melo a few times and he's our best player.

My only complaint with Lee so far is the 3pt shots. We should design some plays to get easier baskets at the rim or mid range.

He's not going to prioritize the midrange, he's following the Boston shot diet.

If only we had the Boston roster.

It will be interesting to see what he does with a fully healthy roster. I feel like Mark could change the outlook of this team if he can just get on the court and stay healthy.

[yosemiteben]

I'm encouraged to see how we already have evolved and improved since the beginning of the season. I liked the adjustments we saw against Giannis today, and I liked seeing a more diverse offense.

I'm still excited about what we might have in Lee.

[wilson115]

Nice to see BMill here, and looks like Grant has found his tag team partner... assuming Moussa D gets the minutes.

But still the biggest development here's the prospect of BMill turning into an NBA-level wing stopper, simply having one of our top scorers also become someone the scheme/rotations won't need to compensate for on the other end should open up new possibilities for our roster construction from here on.

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[KembaWalker]

Charles getting absolutely roasted on social media

benching your star player in a close game is a bold move and it did not play out the way he hoped, with himself in fact making the critical 1 point difference down the stretch on an immature mistimed technical. any other time i wouldnt think its so bad, but to throw a game as a clipboard holder whilst trying to send a message about maturity doesnt seem to me like bright coaching or leadership. neither does an extended benching on a guy after you blew a challenge, another crippling coaching error.

we'll see how the team responds, but as someone whos seen a lot of bad coaching in my time as a Charlotte sports follower, last night was truly a disasterclass in losing a locker room. we're probably still a good ways away from Bouknight wanting to punch Borrego or Gordon disrespecting Dunlap but we're probably not too far away from the general tuning-out and check cashing that this franchise normalized under MJ.

[SWedd523]

Ah yes, twitter and reddit. Truly where the chemically balanced basketball savants reside

[EmpireFalls]

I don’t have a problem with the man management to call out LaMelo for playing like a careless idiot. That was a fine move. Accountability for the young superstar is key or else no one will respect Lee. This insidious phenomenon is why a lot of heliocentric teams end up quitting on their coaches and underachieving.

On the other hand his overall coaching throughout the game, including the late tech, is what I have a problem with.

Unfortunately the two are being conflated.

[Diop]

The 2 Coaches I thought of yesterday who would bench Lamelo like that are Phil Jackson and Pops.

Phil Jackson always thought of the greater good and would accept a loss if they learnt from it. Pops would be the same, especially if you went against the team game plan. S Jax found that out the hard way.

[KembaWalker]

Borrego benched LaMelo the same way years ago, after the failed self alleyoop againer Orlando and the same reach in take foul immediately after. So it’s far from any indication of great coaching

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1223815

Dunlap used to bench Kemba the same way “riding the hot hand”

If I had to pick between whether Lee exudes Dunlap energy versus Phil Jackson energy from what I’ve seen so far, I know which way I’m going. I’m ready for Lee to institute some full court press all game to build the culture! Sure worked great against us at least, surely every other team is similarly unprepared to deal with it night after night

[Snidely FC]

Maybe if Lamelo's usage wasn't so high benching him wouldn't be so impactful. All I know is I want to see more ball movement and motion on offense. I can't believe with Brandon Miller and several other talented scorers on the team Lee allows Lamelo 36% usage

[SWedd523]

Borrego benched LaMelo the same way years ago, after the failed self alleyoop againer Orlando and the same reach in take foul immediately after. So it’s far from any indication of great coaching

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1223815

Dunlap used to bench Kemba the same way “riding the hot hand”

If I had to pick between whether Lee exudes Dunlap energy versus Phil Jackson energy from what I’ve seen so far, I know which way I’m going. I’m ready for Lee to institute some full court press all game to build the culture! Sure worked great against us at least, surely every other team is similarly unprepared to deal with it night after night

The depth to which you're taking this is so beyond necessary lol

[Diop]

I really liked Borrego, also didn’t hate Dunlap. Maybe I’m the boomer in the wrong

[KembaWalker]

Borrego benched LaMelo the same way years ago, after the failed self alleyoop againer Orlando and the same reach in take foul immediately after. So it’s far from any indication of great coaching

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1223815

Dunlap used to bench Kemba the same way “riding the hot hand”

If I had to pick between whether Lee exudes Dunlap energy versus Phil Jackson energy from what I’ve seen so far, I know which way I’m going. I’m ready for Lee to institute some full court press all game to build the culture! Sure worked great against us at least, surely every other team is similarly unprepared to deal with it night after night

The depth to which you're taking this is so beyond necessary lol

i'm ahead of the curve, and its not really just this. been pretty skeptical of this dude since i first heard him speak and said as much very early on multiple times. you'll be where i am now after a few more months of this

[Braggins]

I really liked Borrego, also didn’t hate Dunlap. Maybe I’m the boomer in the wrong

I liked Dunlap too, but he just wasn't suited to being an NBA head coach. Borrego is very solid imo.

[MPM]

Borrego benched LaMelo the same way years ago, after the failed self alleyoop againer Orlando and the same reach in take foul immediately after. So it’s far from any indication of great coaching

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1223815

Dunlap used to bench Kemba the same way “riding the hot hand”

If I had to pick between whether Lee exudes Dunlap energy versus Phil Jackson energy from what I’ve seen so far, I know which way I’m going. I’m ready for Lee to institute some full court press all game to build the culture! Sure worked great against us at least, surely every other team is similarly unprepared to deal with it night after night

The depth to which you're taking this is so beyond necessary lol

i'm ahead of the curve, and its not really just this. been pretty skeptical of this dude since i first heard him speak and said as much very early on multiple times. you'll be where i am now after a few more months of this

If by this, you mean the fact we're competing harder than we have the last few years despite zero front court (differential -4.9 this year. -10.9 last year. -6.2 the year prior) then I'll take more of this. Watching the games, it's obvious the players are more invested in trying to win and this comes down to coaching changes.

[SWedd523]

Yeah but he sat Melo for 4 minutes in the 4th

That's it. lost the team. he doesn't know what he's doing. game over. fire him.

[KembaWalker]

Yeah but he sat Melo for 4 minutes in the 4th

That's it. lost the team. he doesn't know what he's doing. game over. fire him.

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You're the one reacting, I've been calling it how I see it on Lee since day 1. him and Peterson have that vibe that is appealing to hedge fund sleazebags like our current owners. I remain skeptical of the actual substance they bring to the table. We'll see!

[yosemiteben]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lee is a new coach and is figuring it out, but I'm hugely impressed with how we had league worst DRTG and DRB% to start the season, then essentially switched to having top 10 DRTG and league best DRB% without any infusion of talent. That shows me that he can recognize issues and can scheme around it.

I am bothered less by our offensive performance because I think a lot of our struggles tie to folks trying to get comfortable with his system.

[KembaWalker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lee is a new coach and is figuring it out, but I'm hugely impressed with how we had league worst DRTG and DRB% to start the season, then essentially switched to having top 10 DRTG and league best DRB% without any infusion of talent. That shows me that he can recognize issues and can scheme around it.

I am bothered less by our offensive performance because I think a lot of our struggles tie to folks trying to get comfortable with his system.

this is the same small noise like "best defense of all time with Diabate in the lineup and worst all time without" stuff that you see floating around twitter

at the end of the season we will be floating around 20-25th in ORTG and DRTG like we are now, worse if the injuries start hitting again.

just want to reiterate that i'm not asking for much from these guys, i promise. i hold this roster in low regards in its level of talent and a top draft pick should be the target. I'm asking Peterson to get us an actual back up point guard, I'm asking to get an actual big man so we aren't starting Grant Williams or Taj Gibson at center, not so we can win, simply so we can play some functional grown up NBA basketball. I'm not asking Lee to have us performing like the Celtics, I'm asking why we can't inbound the ball, why we can't handle a press. Why we have the laziest, most braindead turnovers quarter after quarter. Why we have issues that no other team I watch seems to have nearly like we do.

i promise you guys my standards are not high. I'm a 20 year Bobcat fan, I can sniff out a Bobcats team pretty easily and this is one of them.

[yosemiteben]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lee is a new coach and is figuring it out, but I'm hugely impressed with how we had league worst DRTG and DRB% to start the season, then essentially switched to having top 10 DRTG and league best DRB% without any infusion of talent. That shows me that he can recognize issues and can scheme around it.

I am bothered less by our offensive performance because I think a lot of our struggles tie to folks trying to get comfortable with his system.

this is the same small noise like "best defense of all time with Diabate in the lineup and worst all time without" stuff that you see floating around twitter

We were dead last in DRB%, then Miles and Nick got hurt, and since then we are best in the league, and in our last 8 games the gap between us and the 2nd best DRB% team is as large as the gap between the 2nd and 10th best teams.

I don't know why you are minimizing that reality, but it is objectively very impressive.

at the end of the season we will be floating around 20-25th in ORTG and DRTG like we are now, worse if the injuries start hitting again.

On the season our DRTG is 19th. In the month of November our DRTG is 14th.

I am very confused as to why you are seemingly arbitrarily projecting that we're going to regress defensively.