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Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2)

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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#21 » by toooskies » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:53 am

Mitchell looked too rested/pumped for this game early on for his jumper. He probably should've been taking 30 footers.

Garland needs to know that Horford has his blow-by finger roll scouted and he needs a counter to him closing on him. He also needs to not settle for a long 2. Just seemed out-of-rhythm for the first time in a long time.

CPJ pressing the Celtics really helped slow them down in the second half. With Okoro or LeVert we could've kept that up more of the game.

Merrill wasn't moving like he usually does and looked totally winded after hitting his shots, I bet he had a touch of the cold going around.

Georges Niang in the closing five. Not ideal, but he continues to look better out there this year than last.

Kept it close for Cup tie-breakers.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#22 » by ijspeelman » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:38 am

toooskies wrote:Mitchell looked too rested/pumped for this game early on for his jumper. He probably should've been taking 30 footers.

Garland needs to know that Horford has his blow-by finger roll scouted and he needs a counter to him closing on him. He also needs to not settle for a long 2. Just seemed out-of-rhythm for the first time in a long time.

CPJ pressing the Celtics really helped slow them down in the second half. With Okoro or LeVert we could've kept that up more of the game.

Merrill wasn't moving like he usually does and looked totally winded after hitting his shots, I bet he had a touch of the cold going around.

Georges Niang in the closing five. Not ideal, but he continues to look better out there this year than last.

Kept it close for Cup tie-breakers.


To the bolded, I just really hope its not a back issue that they are letting him play through. Kenny said he's fine so I assume he is, but honestly he should get a game off here tomorrow either way (same with Allen).

Again, I'm honestly excited for the re-run (in Cleveland) two Sundays from now.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#23 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:03 am

afarmenian wrote:
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afarmenian wrote:
And one or more of Mobley Allen Garland Mitchell might be hurt. It's a real possibility I'm just saying got to stop with the moral victories it's not living in reality. Love our start but I think this was Back to Reality we're currently not trending as better than the world champs
28 other teams aren't either lol

If a 3 point loss in November after 15 straight sends you into a spiral, I'd say you're in for a long season.



I'm commenting about the game this is a game thread I'm talking about the Cavs vs Celtics the other teams aren't relevant our record is not relevant not sure what about that is spiraling but ok. You people hear what you want to hear.

Love the record love the start. Still not enough to take down the Celtics in my opinion
So your expectation is the Cavs should beat the Celtics despite being down 4 rotation players, who all happen to be wings?
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Post#24 » by afarmenian » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:58 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:28 other teams aren't either lol

If a 3 point loss in November after 15 straight sends you into a spiral, I'd say you're in for a long season.



I'm commenting about the game this is a game thread I'm talking about the Cavs vs Celtics the other teams aren't relevant our record is not relevant not sure what about that is spiraling but ok. You people hear what you want to hear.

Love the record love the start. Still not enough to take down the Celtics in my opinion
So your expectation is the Cavs should beat the Celtics despite being down 4 rotation players, who all happen to be wings?


So your expectation is the Cavs will beat the Celtics in the playoffs because our injury woes year after year is the exception not the rule?
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#25 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:00 pm

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I'm commenting about the game this is a game thread I'm talking about the Cavs vs Celtics the other teams aren't relevant our record is not relevant not sure what about that is spiraling but ok. You people hear what you want to hear.

Love the record love the start. Still not enough to take down the Celtics in my opinion
So your expectation is the Cavs should beat the Celtics despite being down 4 rotation players, who all happen to be wings?


So your expectation is the Cavs will beat the Celtics in the playoffs because our injury woes year after year is the exception not the rule?
Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.
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Post#26 » by afarmenian » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:19 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:So your expectation is the Cavs should beat the Celtics despite being down 4 rotation players, who all happen to be wings?


So your expectation is the Cavs will beat the Celtics in the playoffs because our injury woes year after year is the exception not the rule?
Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.


Well no I'm still talking about The context of the Cavs versus the Celtics can the Cavs beat the Celtics Have we seen anything that leads us to believe that the Cavs are better or potentially better...you're the one talking about hypotheticals with 28 other teams and I'm not sure what the relevance of that was

Okay I'll rephrase why do you feel comfortable taking a moral victory lap? The cavs were missing key rotation pieces yes. Is it untrue to say the Cavs have rarely been healthy for these kind of games? and the Celtics were missing a key piece as well
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#27 » by ijspeelman » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:38 pm

afarmenian wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
afarmenian wrote:
So your expectation is the Cavs will beat the Celtics in the playoffs because our injury woes year after year is the exception not the rule?
Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.


Well no I'm still talking about The context of the Cavs versus the Celtics can the Cavs beat the Celtics Have we seen anything that leads us to believe that the Cavs are better or potentially better...you're the one talking about hypotheticals with 28 other teams and I'm not sure what the relevance of that was

Okay I'll rephrase why do you feel comfortable taking a moral victory lap? The cavs were missing key rotation pieces yes. Is it untrue to say the Cavs have rarely been healthy for these kind of games? and the Celtics were missing a key piece as well


I think I've seen enough to say the Cavs can challenge the Celtics, as in they could beat them in a 7 game series. I wouldn't go so far to say they are better, but that does not mean they cannot win.

No moral victory lap. Just taking positives away from a loss.

We probably disagree on this point so no point in arguing about it, but want to say injuries just happen in basketball and are sometimes unpredictable. I wouldn't call our team injury-prone.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#28 » by afarmenian » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:39 pm

ijspeelman wrote:
afarmenian wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.


Well no I'm still talking about The context of the Cavs versus the Celtics can the Cavs beat the Celtics Have we seen anything that leads us to believe that the Cavs are better or potentially better...you're the one talking about hypotheticals with 28 other teams and I'm not sure what the relevance of that was

Okay I'll rephrase why do you feel comfortable taking a moral victory lap? The cavs were missing key rotation pieces yes. Is it untrue to say the Cavs have rarely been healthy for these kind of games? and the Celtics were missing a key piece as well


I think I've seen enough to say the Cavs can challenge the Celtics, as in they could beat them in a 7 game series. I wouldn't go so far to say they are better, but that does not mean they cannot win.

No moral victory lap. Just taking positives away from a loss.

We probably disagree on this point so no point in arguing about it, but want to say injuries just happen in basketball and are sometimes unpredictable. I wouldn't call our team injury-prone.


I am in agreement think they can legit challenge the celtics and make a finals run if they have a healthy core in tact when it matters most.

I think I differ than most cavs fans in general about the injury prone thing, I think thats just the reality of the cards that have been dealt. Hopefully the longer rotations pays dividends and they prove me wrong in the playoffs.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#29 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:55 pm

afarmenian wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
afarmenian wrote:
So your expectation is the Cavs will beat the Celtics in the playoffs because our injury woes year after year is the exception not the rule?
Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.


Well no I'm still talking about The context of the Cavs versus the Celtics can the Cavs beat the Celtics Have we seen anything that leads us to believe that the Cavs are better or potentially better...you're the one talking about hypotheticals with 28 other teams and I'm not sure what the relevance of that was

Okay I'll rephrase why do you feel comfortable taking a moral victory lap? The cavs were missing key rotation pieces yes. Is it untrue to say the Cavs have rarely been healthy for these kind of games? and the Celtics were missing a key piece as well
Why am i okay with a moral victory? For all the reasons i told you before...

We lost by 3.
We were missing 4 rotation players (all wings).
We just won 15 games in a row without 2 days off.

It's not the end of the world. We didn't have to beat the Celtics, while being short handed, in November. It has no impact on what may happen if these 2 teams meet in the playoffs.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#30 » by JonFromVA » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:09 pm

afarmenian wrote:
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Ok? Am aware that one loss doesn't tank the season. But in this moment Boston is better until proven otherwise.

Health isn't just bad luck BTW. If you are always half strength when it counts you cant really play that injury card


I mean one or more of Strus, LeVert, Okoro, or Wade would've played if it was the playoffs. It's November.


And one or more of Mobley Allen Garland Mitchell might be hurt. It's a real possibility I'm just saying got to stop with the moral victories it's not living in reality. Love our start but I think this was Back to Reality we're currently not trending as better than the world champs


You don't say you're better after a 3pt road loss, but you're not necessarily worse.

But yeah, who's healthy and reasonably rested when it really matters is going to be big.
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Re: Game 16: Cavs @ Celtics 11/19/2024 (NBA Cup Group Stage Game 2) 

Post#31 » by JonFromVA » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:16 pm

ijspeelman wrote:
afarmenian wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either you're in the game thread talking about the game, like you said when challenged or other factors matter lol

You can't be the sole poster allowed to speak on things outside of last night, make up your mind.

Quite the double standard.


Well no I'm still talking about The context of the Cavs versus the Celtics can the Cavs beat the Celtics Have we seen anything that leads us to believe that the Cavs are better or potentially better...you're the one talking about hypotheticals with 28 other teams and I'm not sure what the relevance of that was

Okay I'll rephrase why do you feel comfortable taking a moral victory lap? The cavs were missing key rotation pieces yes. Is it untrue to say the Cavs have rarely been healthy for these kind of games? and the Celtics were missing a key piece as well


I think I've seen enough to say the Cavs can challenge the Celtics, as in they could beat them in a 7 game series. I wouldn't go so far to say they are better, but that does not mean they cannot win.

No moral victory lap. Just taking positives away from a loss.

We probably disagree on this point so no point in arguing about it, but want to say injuries just happen in basketball and are sometimes unpredictable. I wouldn't call our team injury-prone.


I'm fine with calling them injury-prone until they show otherwise.

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