Badgers Football - Longo OUT as OC

[ReasonablySober]

Because I'm nothing if not fair, here's PFF's grades for Locke vs Alabama, PSU, Iowa, and Oregon. Then there's the QBs with worse grades vs those same opponents.

Locke's grade:

Alabama: 43
Penn State: 48
Iowa: 37
Oregon: 45

Alabama:
TJ Finley - Western Kentucky (40)
Brady Cook - Mizzu (40.6)

Penn State:
Luke Altmyer - Illinois (47.5)
Will Rogers - Washington (28.8)

Iowa:
Tommy Rittenhouse - Illinois State (35.8)

Oregon:
Jack Layne - Idaho (37)

[midranger]

Changing QBs is at least interesting. It’s provocative. It gets the people going.

[midranger]

I will say, Locke being in the bottom 10-20% of all college QBs passes the eye test.

[Kerb Hohl]

Because I'm nothing if not fair, here's PFF's grades for Locke vs Alabama, PSU, Iowa, and Oregon. Then there's the QBs with worse grades vs those same opponents.

Locke's grade:

Alabama: 43
Penn State: 48
Iowa: 37
Oregon: 45

Alabama:
TJ Finley - Western Kentucky (40)
Brady Cook - Mizzu (40.6)

Penn State:
Luke Altmyer - Illinois (47.5)
Will Rogers - Washington (28.8)

Iowa:
Tommy Rittenhouse - Illinois State (35.8)

Oregon:
Jack Layne - Idaho (37)

Wow, so he’s slightly worse than some starting Big Ten QBs.

Other than Will Howard, do we have people putting up 60+ grades? Or is everybody in the 40-50 ballpark?

Calling him #300 is malpractice.

[ReasonablySober]

Yea, that's definitely what your takeaway should be, as opposed to the other (apparently less obvious) point that playing Locke and Wisconsin is going to be one of the best days of the year for your defense.

[Kerb Hohl]

Yea, that's definitely what your takeaway should be, as opposed to the other (apparently less obvious) point that playing Locke and Wisconsin is going to be one of the best days of the year for your defense.

He’s the backup QB! For the love of god…if you told me Wisconsin’s BACKUP QB would put up slightly below median numbers vs starting QBs, that’s pretty normal?

Like, give me other grades of QBs against PSU since I don’t pay for this stupid subscription.

[ReasonablySober]

Garrett Green - WVU 55
Connor Bazelak - BG - 62
Tommy Ulatowski - Kent State - 53
Luke Altmyer - Illinois - 47.5
Justyn Martin - UCLA 70.1
Miller Moss - USC - 61.5
Will Howard - OSU - 74.3
Will Rogers - Washington - 28.8
Hudson Card - Purdue - 66.3

Mean: 56.65
Median: 58.25

[Kerb Hohl]

Garrett Green - WVU 55
Connor Bazelak - BG - 62
Tommy Ulatowski - Kent State - 53
Luke Altmyer - Illinois - 47.5
Justyn Martin - UCLA 70.1
Miller Moss - USC - 61.5
Will Howard - OSU - 74.3
Will Rogers - Washington - 28.8
Hudson Card - Purdue - 66.3

Mean: 56.65
Median: 58.25

LOL - Ulatowski went 0/6 in garbage time of a 56-0 loss and got a 53. Sure, why not. Makes a lot of sense. Kent State as a committee completed 2 passes the entire game. Yeah, legit way to rank these guys.

The point is that Penn State and all of these other teams give up a median or average of 55 (absurd ratings aside) and some FCS or CUSA team that plays mostly teams that give up 75+ to beef up their score. Locke has basically never had a gimme other than Purdue. He’s not #300 out of 319 or whatever this terrible arrangement of information says.

[ReasonablySober]

Garrett Green - WVU 55
Connor Bazelak - BG - 62
Tommy Ulatowski - Kent State - 53
Luke Altmyer - Illinois - 47.5
Justyn Martin - UCLA 70.1
Miller Moss - USC - 61.5
Will Howard - OSU - 74.3
Will Rogers - Washington - 28.8
Hudson Card - Purdue - 66.3

Mean: 56.65
Median: 58.25

LOL - Ulatowski went 0/6 in a 56-0 loss and got a 53. Sure. Kent State as a committee completed 2 passes.

The point is that Penn State and all of these other teams give up a median or average of 55 (absurd ratings aside) and some FCS or CUSA team that plays mostly teams that give up 75+ to beef up their score. Locke has basically never had a gimme other than Purdue. He’s not #310.

Why are you so invested in defending an obviously terrible quarterback? Would you rather use QBR? He's 14th in the Big 10. What exactly is so outrageous about the statement, "Locke has been bad and at this point in the season it's worth seeing what his backups have to offer"? Maybe Mettauer looks awful. Who gives a **** at this point? He's probably not going to be here in two months.

What is it about the short, mediocre athlete, extremely below average QB makes you need to see more? Is it really just that you need to argue? That you're so dug in on Maybre Mettauer being bad that him showing out a bit would personally harm you?

[Kerb Hohl]

Garrett Green - WVU 55
Connor Bazelak - BG - 62
Tommy Ulatowski - Kent State - 53
Luke Altmyer - Illinois - 47.5
Justyn Martin - UCLA 70.1
Miller Moss - USC - 61.5
Will Howard - OSU - 74.3
Will Rogers - Washington - 28.8
Hudson Card - Purdue - 66.3

Mean: 56.65
Median: 58.25

LOL - Ulatowski went 0/6 in a 56-0 loss and got a 53. Sure. Kent State as a committee completed 2 passes.

The point is that Penn State and all of these other teams give up a median or average of 55 (absurd ratings aside) and some FCS or CUSA team that plays mostly teams that give up 75+ to beef up their score. Locke has basically never had a gimme other than Purdue. He’s not #310.

Why are you so invested in defending an obviously terrible quarterback? Would you rather use QBR? He's 14th in the Big 10. What exactly is so outrageous about the statement, "Locke has been bad and at this point in the season it's worth seeing what his backups have to offer"? Maybe Mettauer looks awful. Who gives a **** at this point? He's probably not going to be here in two months.

What is it about the short, mediocre athlete, extremely below average QB makes you need to see more? Is it really just that you need to argue? That you're so dug in on Maybre Mettauer being bad that him showing out a bit would personally harm you?

Perfect. So he's not #300 out of 319 quarterbacks. Total QBR is adjusted for opponent so it's reasonable. TVD probably would sit in the middle somewhere.

That's reasonable. So our presumed backup QB is still better than BIG TEN STARTING quarterbacks. For basically everyone involved, there is motivation to win - because your record, bowl, etc. help you keep your job as a coach, get recruits, etc. Mettauer is apparently considerably worse and neither guy fits into their plans next year. They don't get a better draft pick if Mettauer comes in and struggles. So while I don't even care that much - I don't really get it.

It would be shocking to me that they would be so wrong in practice that a guy that could be an upper half B10 QB as a true freshman was rotting on the bench.

[MikeIsGood]

Me checking out the new Michigan flip.

[ReasonablySober]

It would be shocking to me that they would be so wrong in practice that a guy that could be an upper half B10 QB as a true freshman was rotting on the bench.

They literally just fired the offensive coordinator. You think they couldn't possibly be wrong?

[ReasonablySober]

You're inventing arguments again, too. Who is saying that MM could be a top 7-8 QB in the conference?

[Kerb Hohl]

It would be shocking to me that they would be so wrong in practice that a guy that could be an upper half B10 QB as a true freshman was rotting on the bench.

They literally just fired the offensive coordinator. You think they couldn't possibly be wrong?

Because that doesn’t mean he is completely inept and incompetent at judging talent. You’d think teammates, beat writers, SOMEBODY would be talking about how incredible this guy is. Instead, we have, “play him because he’s taller” on this board while every report is he sucks at practice.

OK, truly done and speaking of QBs - LaCrue is in the portal.

[ReasonablySober]

It would be shocking to me that they would be so wrong in practice that a guy that could be an upper half B10 QB as a true freshman was rotting on the bench.

They literally just fired the offensive coordinator. You think they couldn't possibly be wrong?

OK, truly done

Thank you.

[MVP2110]

Cole LaCrue has officially entered the Transfer Portal. No surprise

[MikeIsGood]

I legit had to google who Cole LaCrue is. I have so little attachment to the players on the team in this era

[MVP2110]

I legit had to google who Cole LaCrue is. I have so little attachment to the players on the team in this era

Tbf he was a weird one. Was targeted by Chryst, commited under Leonhard after Chryst was fired, stuck around under Fickell/Longo despite Longo bringing in so many of his own guys. And clearly never made much headway considering he was 4th string behind a walkon. I imagine this would have happened regardless of the Longo decision. I expect he'll go a similar route to that of Myles Burkett and transfer down a level or two