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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#221 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:39 pm

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Lol Lakers always looking to dump their trash for a home run trade...

We will offer KO... we want picks in return...


The poster should be suspended for suggesting such an awful trade.


I never said that would be the end of the deal....Obv draft picks would be involved....Idk which draft picks but obv a future 1st would be added....Maybe a 2030, 2031 but there is 100 percent a door open to get something from the Lakers since they need and want a player like Yak who would fit perfect on that team...

We are not going to get Knect or Reaves in the deal so it will prolly be pick heavy instead...

I mean if youre gonna post a trade probably should include picks if theyre the most valuable part of the deal :lol:
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#222 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:39 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The Lakers don't have any young assets that would interest the Raps other than Dalton, who they won't move. And I don't think the Lakers can trade a 1st until 2029 or something.

To be fair... a 2029 lakers pick after LBJ and AD are gone can be enticing. Thy did miss the playoffs 5 times before LBJ decided to come..
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#223 » by dagger » Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:50 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:The Lakers don't have any young assets that would interest the Raps other than Dalton, who they won't move. And I don't think the Lakers can trade a 1st until 2029 or something.

To be fair... a 2029 lakers pick after LBJ and AD are gone can be enticing. Thy did miss the playoffs 5 times before LBJ decided to come..


Except the Lakers have a tendency to reload rather quickly through free agency
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#224 » by AbC? » Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:10 pm

29 isn't too old for a rebuild, if anything we should trade for more 29 year olds to add to our young core. Let's not forget Gasol was 35 when we won a championship.

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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#225 » by dTox » Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:42 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:The Kings could be a fit for Poeltl. After Sabonis, they're playing Alex Len, yes that Alex Len. They don't have much depth at the position.


Charlotte to me is the biggest match based on their needs (Jakob would right away be their starting C), and have more to offer in terms of picks / prospects (their GM Kupchak is also kind of dumb). This is a perfect spot for Masai to make a heist.


Kupchak stepped down last year. I think he's more of an advisor now, a la Wayne Embry. Charlotte also has just two wins more than we do, and drafted a starting calibre C in Mark Williams two years ago. I don't think this is going to work out for you.


Mark Williams has played how many games since he was drafted again? 43 in 2022, 19 games in 2023, and 0 this year. They have a giant whole at C and Mark Williams is not the answer. By going after their draft picks, we would be betting on Lamelo's injury history and Charlotte continuously landing in the lotto, and based on the past, this is a great bet
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#226 » by Tha Cynic » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:04 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:The Lakers don't have any young assets that would interest the Raps other than Dalton, who they won't move. And I don't think the Lakers can trade a 1st until 2029 or something.

To be fair... a 2029 lakers pick after LBJ and AD are gone can be enticing. Thy did miss the playoffs 5 times before LBJ decided to come..


They're not trading that pick for Poeltl lol. The Lakers will wait for a superstar before that pick is even brought to the table. They have been very stingy and basically only make trades when another team makes a donation to them.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#228 » by sidsid » Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:31 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
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OakleyDokely wrote:The Lakers don't have any young assets that would interest the Raps other than Dalton, who they won't move. And I don't think the Lakers can trade a 1st until 2029 or something.

To be fair... a 2029 lakers pick after LBJ and AD are gone can be enticing. Thy did miss the playoffs 5 times before LBJ decided to come..


They're not trading that pick for Poeltl lol. The Lakers will wait for a superstar before that pick is even brought to the table. They have been very stingy and basically only make trades when another team makes a donation to them.


They did a role player swap for a lightly protected pick to Utah.

That's the dynamic for most of these trade scenarios. The same way the Spurs couldn't get multiple 1sts for Jak, they then shifted to getting lighter protection on 1 pick.

That's the only asset worth a damn on the Lakers. Haggling to get that 2029 pick down to top 2 protected or something.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#229 » by Realkeeper » Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:55 am

Masai has shown he will trade players if there's a great deal on the table, and he's already traded Jak once, but Masai LOVES Jakob.

I still remember how much he was glowing after drafting him in this episode of Open Gym (9-12mins).

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He was really happy when he got him back, also. He seemed so excited when he talked about how the morning after the trade, Jak was right back at the OVO centre eating breakfast as though he never left

I didn't see Jak being traded before for these reasons, and after the way he's been playing this season? I think we need to consider him part of the core moving forward.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#230 » by deeps6x » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:04 am

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raincityraptors wrote:I'm guessing most of us want to ensure we get the best pick we can, but this front office can find talent wherever they pick.


This is the #1 argument for not tanking this season.


You can't find good talent if the talent is already gone before you pick. :)

Right now we're fine because we're missing key players, but once the others are healthy, having Poeltl vs not having Poeltl on the team will definitely impact winning a lot more. So I agree with those who say we need to trade him.

I just don't know if having the worst record will mean we get the highest pick. That doesn't seem to happen historically. We could lose all our games and end up with the 5th pick.


Fifth pick in a draft that is five heavy! This is the first draft in a long time where all of the top five would be number one picks vs the previous draft.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#231 » by deeps6x » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:07 am

Brinbe wrote:it depends on the return. it'll probably be him and timelord/ayton as the big trade chips for bigs at the deadline.

the issue is that it's like the pels and okc as realistically the only teams that need a C like him. suns would be nice but they have zero picks to trade.

i don't think the grizz would deal someone like edey for him


Poeltl is exactly the player they need now, in place of Edey. But if we're trying to get matching salary AND an extra FRP, it just isn't going to happen. But Edey ++ for Poeltl would be a win win for both teams. They are in win now mode, we are in rebuild mode. We SHOULD be trying to swap our centers.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#232 » by Chandan » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:12 am

one day, Yak will play for a team that's over .500
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#233 » by deeps6x » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:19 am

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With this stretch of play Yak's rep around the association should grow which should further help his trade value go up.

His contract is also looking like a real bargain and should ensure he remains an enticing trade chip even beyind this season. I know there's the thought that the FO should strike soon-ish when his value is at its highest, but I still think it sorta depends on the market and the offers.


Send this to Memphis and ask for Edey++.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#234 » by JN » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:20 am

At minimum if we decide to Keep Poeltl, he needs to have a "nagging" injury after the all-star break.

I'm certainly not opposed to dealing him, but at the same if the main return is a few lottery protected first round picks and a B/C prospect, its not a must do either. We are accumulating that level.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#235 » by Shakril » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:04 am

JN wrote:At minimum if we decide to Keep Poeltl, he needs to have a "nagging" injury after the all-star break.

I'm certainly not opposed to dealing him, but at the same if the main return is a few lottery protected first round picks and a B/C prospect, its not a must do either. We are accumulating that level.



He isnt that type of Player. He was mostly healthy in his career and wont just sit unless told too, which is not a good way to deal with a player by actively annoying him.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#236 » by Shakril » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:07 am

Back to topic:

To Keep Poeltl long term 1 of 2 things need to happen:

Either his Role gets upgraded from starter to a guy that is beeing build around - very unlikely
or the Raps are far quicker competitive (beeing a contender) than anyone expects - not likeley either, but as a player he can asses the situation pretty well if it is possible


Either way, its hard to keep him without overpaying him unless the above happens.
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#237 » by Kingsway_fan » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:39 am

Chandan wrote:one day, Yak will play for a team that's over .500


2025 / 6 Raptors....
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#238 » by Chandan » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:44 pm

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Chandan wrote:one day, Yak will play for a team that's over .500


2025 / 6 Raptors....


if that happens he is going to op out of his 26/27 player option and ask for 30 mil salary or leave for nothing :lol:
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Re: The "Keep Poeltl" Thread 

Post#239 » by PushDaRock » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:07 pm

It's a bit weird to say someone like Poeltl has extended his range but he has in a sense. He still takes his push shots and his power layups at the rim like he always has but this season he's been catching the ball a bit further out, sometimes even FT line extended and still able to finish with those moves using 1 dribble. That is what's been allowing him to score more points not needing to only catch the ball 5 feet and in.

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