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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#41 » by grumpysaddle » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:10 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:Why can clippers who are missing Kawhi and Powell their two leading scorers be leading an entire game against the Magic? While Phoenix missing their two s scorers are blown up by every team this week? Just explain why that is happening?

7 games in 11 days doesn't help when shorthanded. They have been disappointing for sure, but there are a lot of variables.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#42 » by Blonde » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:20 am

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Blonde wrote:I know Okogie plays hard and fans like him, but the sooner we ship him off or find a way to park him back on the bench the better.

He's a minimum contract player for a reason but somehow the front office decided to give him 8m for his services.

He got the ‘ol human trade exception contract, except nobody wants to trade for him.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#43 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:24 am

Bol Bol!
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#44 » by Revived » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:26 am

I don’t understand how Booker still ended up playing almost 40 mins in a game the Suns got blown out from the opening jump.

One thing I really respect about coaches like Pop and Kerr is their star players never played heavy minutes in their blowout losses. I have had Steph or Draymond in fantasy basketball in recent years and whenever I see they played low mins, I always check and it’s because it was a blowout.

It’s smart coaching as it lessens the risk for injury and keeps the players fresh for next game (latter doesn’t apply in this case I know since suns have like 6 days off but still).
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#45 » by Saberestar » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:28 am

The much needed break is finally here. 6 days to make a full re-start and get Beal and/or KD back to the lineup.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#46 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:41 am

As I said in the offseason, Grayson Allen is likely the only value asset that could net us some depth at a different position and I still think it's something we should explore.
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Post#47 » by sunsbg » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:17 am

Fortunately an almost week of no Suns basketball is coming.
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Post#48 » by dremill24 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:01 am

Woof. Guys look like they're 45 games in and desperate for the all star break. If they come out flat/lazy like this next week...yikes
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#49 » by garrick » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:02 am

lilfishi22 wrote:As I said in the offseason, Grayson Allen is likely the only value asset that could net us some depth at a different position and I still think it's something we should explore.


Luckily his shooting stroke has come back so we need to find trade partners while he is hot.

How do you all feel about Deni Avdija? The Blazers desperately need shooting and Grayson would give them plenty of it on a Blazers team who are among the worst in the league at shooting the 3.

Deni would give us some more size on the wing and a player that can score from besides the 3 point line.

The Washington Wizards can afford to be patient with Deni Avdija, who just finished his fourth NBA season and is still only 23 years old. Given what he showed this year, putting up career highs across the board with 14.7 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game on 50.4 percent shooting overall and 37.4 percent from 3, no one could blame them for passing here.

There’s no doubt that Allen is the better, more established player at this point. Funnily enough, Allen and Avdija make an identical $15,625,000 next year, which means the Suns could pull off this trade. Adding a 6-foot-9 Swiss Army knife to their rotation would do wonders for Phoenix’s wing depth, and Avdija would be a superb two-way fit with this Suns team.

He shot 40.5 percent on catch-and-shoot 3s and 47 percent from the corners this season, which would help him space the floor around the Big 3. Avdija was also efficient in the lane, shooting just under 70 percent at the rim while ranking in the league’s 81st percentile in drives per 75 possessions. He even flashed some playmaking chops, placing in the 91st percentile in passing creation quality.

Unfortunately, as much as Avdija has been a recurring target on our Suns trade lists, it seems unlikely the Wizards would be foolish enough to give up a young player as they look to more of a long-term rebuild. Allen doesn’t really fit their timeline for those plans either.


https://gophnx.com/suns-trade-rumors-potential-grayson-allen-trades/
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Post#50 » by sunsbg » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:37 am

garrick wrote:
How do you all feel about Deni Avdija? The Blazers desperately need shooting and Grayson would give them plenty of it on a Blazers team who are among the worst in the league at shooting the 3.

Deni would give us some more size on the wing and a player that can score from besides the 3 point line.


I noticed he didn't start for Blazers in their last game. If he's available I'd make this trade.
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Post#51 » by Revived » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:49 am

I don’t think Mikal has lost in Phoenix since the trade…both with the Nets and Knicks. I love that for him.
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Post#52 » by handsome salary » Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:17 pm

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SunsRback4Good wrote: He’s not a superstar in my eyes and plays very lazy.
You can call booker a lot of things but lazy can't be one of them, your eyes seem to be as bad as your opinions.


Book is what he is this by now. Decent to great scorer a lot. Anything else going on his resume?

It feels like a coin flip right now whether Devin is going to help or hurt.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#53 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:39 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:As I said in the offseason, Grayson Allen is likely the only value asset that could net us some depth at a different position and I still think it's something we should explore.


Luckily his shooting stroke has come back so we need to find trade partners while he is hot.

How do you all feel about Deni Avdija? The Blazers desperately need shooting and Grayson would give them plenty of it on a Blazers team who are among the worst in the league at shooting the 3.

Deni would give us some more size on the wing and a player that can score from besides the 3 point line.

The Washington Wizards can afford to be patient with Deni Avdija, who just finished his fourth NBA season and is still only 23 years old. Given what he showed this year, putting up career highs across the board with 14.7 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game on 50.4 percent shooting overall and 37.4 percent from 3, no one could blame them for passing here.

There’s no doubt that Allen is the better, more established player at this point. Funnily enough, Allen and Avdija make an identical $15,625,000 next year, which means the Suns could pull off this trade. Adding a 6-foot-9 Swiss Army knife to their rotation would do wonders for Phoenix’s wing depth, and Avdija would be a superb two-way fit with this Suns team.

He shot 40.5 percent on catch-and-shoot 3s and 47 percent from the corners this season, which would help him space the floor around the Big 3. Avdija was also efficient in the lane, shooting just under 70 percent at the rim while ranking in the league’s 81st percentile in drives per 75 possessions. He even flashed some playmaking chops, placing in the 91st percentile in passing creation quality.

Unfortunately, as much as Avdija has been a recurring target on our Suns trade lists, it seems unlikely the Wizards would be foolish enough to give up a young player as they look to more of a long-term rebuild. Allen doesn’t really fit their timeline for those plans either.


https://gophnx.com/suns-trade-rumors-potential-grayson-allen-trades/

Yeah I've mentioned before he'd be a great add to the roster. But realistically, I don't think he's an option for us mainly because I don't think we have enough to get him. The Blazers gave up two FRP's and two second rounders to get him. t's probably going to cost more than our 2031 and Grayson
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-6) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Nov 20 | 8:00PM 

Post#54 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:40 pm

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garrick wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:As I said in the offseason, Grayson Allen is likely the only value asset that could net us some depth at a different position and I still think it's something we should explore.


Luckily his shooting stroke has come back so we need to find trade partners while he is hot.

How do you all feel about Deni Avdija? The Blazers desperately need shooting and Grayson would give them plenty of it on a Blazers team who are among the worst in the league at shooting the 3.

Deni would give us some more size on the wing and a player that can score from besides the 3 point line.

The Washington Wizards can afford to be patient with Deni Avdija, who just finished his fourth NBA season and is still only 23 years old. Given what he showed this year, putting up career highs across the board with 14.7 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game on 50.4 percent shooting overall and 37.4 percent from 3, no one could blame them for passing here.

There’s no doubt that Allen is the better, more established player at this point. Funnily enough, Allen and Avdija make an identical $15,625,000 next year, which means the Suns could pull off this trade. Adding a 6-foot-9 Swiss Army knife to their rotation would do wonders for Phoenix’s wing depth, and Avdija would be a superb two-way fit with this Suns team.

He shot 40.5 percent on catch-and-shoot 3s and 47 percent from the corners this season, which would help him space the floor around the Big 3. Avdija was also efficient in the lane, shooting just under 70 percent at the rim while ranking in the league’s 81st percentile in drives per 75 possessions. He even flashed some playmaking chops, placing in the 91st percentile in passing creation quality.

Unfortunately, as much as Avdija has been a recurring target on our Suns trade lists, it seems unlikely the Wizards would be foolish enough to give up a young player as they look to more of a long-term rebuild. Allen doesn’t really fit their timeline for those plans either.


Yeah, no chance. The fact they gave up 2 1sts means they value him highly. I don't have any idea why they would want Allen. Sure they need shooting but they probably don't expect to seriously compete any time soon, have a young roster, etc.
https://gophnx.com/suns-trade-rumors-potential-grayson-allen-trades/

Yeah I've mentioned before he'd be a great add to the roster. But realistically, I don't think he's an option for us mainly because I don't think we have enough to get him. The Blazers gave up two FRP's and two second rounders to get him. t's probably going to cost more than our 2031 and Grayson
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