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Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0 

Post#321 » by Thaddy » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:11 am

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AbC? wrote:Would you guys take Jalen Williams over Barnes or y'all still in denial?

It's still easily Barnes. Williams isn't game planned against like Barnes and other first options are. There are obvious advantages to playing with a superstar like SGA


Do you even watch OKC?

Yeah I do. I see the parts where he passes to SGA at the 3pt line and he dribbles past two defenders and finishes against rim defense which is then recorded as an assist.

There are obvious advantages playing with a superstar. When he drives SGA defender sticks to him like they do against Dick but to a higher degree.
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Post#322 » by HumbleRen » Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pm

It took exactly one season for Philly fans to realize Nick Nurse has no offensive system lol.

They are MAD. :lol:
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Post#323 » by Los_29 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:38 pm

The Pacers pick could look very, very good next year. I expect the Pacers to make a move but the league is so wide open and they haven’t had any of their young players make improvements in their game.

It’s funny how much better Masai’s moves are looking. Poeltl is playing like a monster and the draft class has been a disaster. Ochai has looked great, Collier has done nothing. Pacers not looking good and we have their lightly protected pick.
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Post#324 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:01 pm

Philly needs to start winning games. We don't need more lottery competition.
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Post#325 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:09 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Philly needs to start winning games. We don't need more lottery competition.


Agreed. As much as I like watching Embiid fail over and over again, we don't want them to get a top pick. Especially when they just drafted what is looking like the best player of the '24 class.

EDIT - Never mind, all tracking sites are showing they don't have their 25 pick.
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Post#326 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:18 pm

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Raps in 4 wrote:Philly needs to start winning games. We don't need more lottery competition.


Agreed. As much as I like watching Embiid fail over and over again, we don't want them to get a top pick. Especially when they just drafted what is looking like the best player of the '24 class.

EDIT - Never mind, all tracking sites are showing they don't have their 25 pick.


The pick is top-6 protected.
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Post#327 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:19 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
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Raps in 4 wrote:Philly needs to start winning games. We don't need more lottery competition.


Agreed. As much as I like watching Embiid fail over and over again, we don't want them to get a top pick. Especially when they just drafted what is looking like the best player of the '24 class.

EDIT - Never mind, all tracking sites are showing they don't have their 25 pick.


The pick is top-6 protected.


Interesting, a couple of sites don't have it listed at all (like fanspo). Thanks for clarifying.
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Post#328 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:26 pm

Thaddy wrote:The Pacers pick is going to be a lottery pick I can almost feel it. Hali isn't it.


I don't want to hear that he's injured anymore. He got his money, and he's playing, so we can assume he's fine.
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Post#329 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:32 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Philly needs to start winning games. We don't need more lottery competition.


Agreed. As much as I like watching Embiid fail over and over again, we don't want them to get a top pick. Especially when they just drafted what is looking like the best player of the '24 class.

EDIT - Never mind, all tracking sites are showing they don't have their 25 pick.


They have a lot of money owed to guys that might not be able to play anymore.
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Post#330 » by Los_29 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:34 pm

I almost feel bad for the Sixers. Embiid is clearly nowhere near 100%, Maxey is putting up horrible shooting splits and George is injured again.
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Post#331 » by douggood » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:47 pm

majority hated the poetl trade cause it ended up the 8th pick, but we atleast still have him.

imagine if the sixers end up with 8th pick and it goes to OKC, but in their case it was to dump Horford.
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Post#332 » by Duffman100 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:50 pm

Los_29 wrote:I almost feel bad for the Sixers. Embiid is clearly nowhere near 100%, Maxey is putting up horrible shooting splits and George is injured again.


Almost, if it was the Sixers. Or more clearly, if it wasn't Embiid.
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Post#333 » by Zeno » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:19 pm

Los_29 wrote:The Pacers pick could look very, very good next year. I expect the Pacers to make a move but the league is so wide open and they haven’t had any of their young players make improvements in their game.

It’s funny how much better Masai’s moves are looking. Poeltl is playing like a monster and the draft class has been a disaster. Ochai has looked great, Collier has done nothing. Pacers not looking good and we have their lightly protected pick.

While I agree with everything here, I think it is also important to realize that it all can easily change the other way back again before any of it matters. It is important not to over-react one way or the other.
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Post#334 » by Tripod » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:45 pm

I still view Yak in this way when it came to the trade.

Lively went #12 in a draft viewed as good and deep. But he also in essence went #10 where Dallas picked with that trade.

So a non shooting C went top 10ish in a good draft and like most picks, still had the unknown of how he he would do. But regardless...top10-12.

So where would he go in a bad draft the following year? Well logic says inside the top 10.

So we added Yak for what ended up #8 in a draft where Lively likely goes around the same spot.

Difference is we KNEW Yak wasn't ever going to bust, was already in his prime, and has much more to his game with his passing.

Like it or not, Yak was worth that high a pick in a poor draft. Of course the issue should always be that given where we were in the standings, it's a move that didn't make sense given the chance to land Wemby.

But hey, we did it and added a good starting C and drafted Dick who is been great this year.
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Post#335 » by Scizzup » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:51 pm

Thaddy wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
Thaddy wrote:It's still easily Barnes. Williams isn't game planned against like Barnes and other first options are. There are obvious advantages to playing with a superstar like SGA


Do you even watch OKC?

Yeah I do. I see the parts where he passes to SGA at the 3pt line and he dribbles past two defenders and finishes against rim defense which is then recorded as an assist.

There are obvious advantages playing with a superstar. When he drives SGA defender sticks to him like they do against Dick but to a higher degree.


Jalen Williams is better than Barnes. there really should be no argument the last 2 seasons imo. He is a better ball handler/slasher/shooter and defender. The only thing Barnes does better is passing. Similar thing with Fran.

Jalen is contesting same volume of shots at rim as Jarett Allen and has a 3% stl and blk%. Barnes has never played defense like this in any 10 game stretch.

Edit; Since Chet gut hurt, Jdub upped his usage and is averaging 26/7/6 on 65% TS with 4 stocks a game. Impact stats and it''s not even close close.
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Post#336 » by Boardbreaker » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:53 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:I almost feel bad for the Sixers. Embiid is clearly nowhere near 100%, Maxey is putting up horrible shooting splits and George is injured again.


Almost, if it was the Sixers. Or more clearly, if it wasn't Embiid.

Embiid is exactly the type of "superstar" that philly fanbase deserves.
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Post#337 » by Thaddy » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:58 pm

Scizzup wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
Do you even watch OKC?

Yeah I do. I see the parts where he passes to SGA at the 3pt line and he dribbles past two defenders and finishes against rim defense which is then recorded as an assist.

There are obvious advantages playing with a superstar. When he drives SGA defender sticks to him like they do against Dick but to a higher degree.


Jalen Williams is better than Barnes. there really should be no argument the last 2 seasons imo. He is a better ball handler/slasher/shooter and defender. The only thing Barnes does better is passing.

Jalen is contesting same volume of shots at rim as Jarett Allen and has a 3% stl and blk%. Barnes has never played defense like this in any 10 game stretch.

Using this season at all isn't fair to Barnes. He came back rusty played 4 games and got an eye injury. In terms of help and team defense Barnes has the better tools and projects to be better. Williams play with SGA, Chet, and a few other guys who are better than anyone the Raptors have on their roster. Toronto's had a harder schedule this season too and that also matters.
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Post#338 » by Scizzup » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:14 pm

Thaddy wrote:
Scizzup wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Yeah I do. I see the parts where he passes to SGA at the 3pt line and he dribbles past two defenders and finishes against rim defense which is then recorded as an assist.

There are obvious advantages playing with a superstar. When he drives SGA defender sticks to him like they do against Dick but to a higher degree.


Jalen Williams is better than Barnes. there really should be no argument the last 2 seasons imo. He is a better ball handler/slasher/shooter and defender. The only thing Barnes does better is passing.

Jalen is contesting same volume of shots at rim as Jarett Allen and has a 3% stl and blk%. Barnes has never played defense like this in any 10 game stretch.

Using this season at all isn't fair to Barnes. He came back rusty played 4 games and got an eye injury. In terms of help and team defense Barnes has the better tools and projects to be better. Williams play with SGA, Chet, and a few other guys who are better than anyone the Raptors have on their roster. Toronto's had a harder schedule this season too and that also matters.


I am also using last season when both were healthy, there is no argument for Scottie outside the fact that Jdub plays with Shai (so people are apprehensive to give Jalen is due credit). Scottie would not be as effective on OKC though. He is never going to be the self creator or shooter that Jdub is and now that Jdub is just as good at defense, what is the case for him? I am taking roster makeup into account but the one area Barnes should clearly dominate these guys at (defense) he hasn't. Its not even a roster thing cause we should still be able to his impact on defense looking under the hood even on a bad team. there is not much there for Barnes like previous defensive beasts on bad teams Ak47/KG for example.


22/5/5 and 3 stocks a game on 60% TS and 7.5 BPM just of raw box numbers for Jalen. he is top 15 on most impact metrics. I don't think Jdub will continue playing defense like this but if he does he getting all defense and all nba, quite easily too.


I held this opinion last season too, if Barnes does not become the defender that he was projected to be he just will never be a top 20 player in the league. This is because is offense will never be as valuable due to his meh shot creation and pull up shooting.
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Post#339 » by sidsid » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:22 pm

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Prestige wrote:Sixers fans are already turning on Nurse, calling him a terrible coach. I think he gets fired if they don’t turn this around soon. It’s a lot easier to fire the coach than admit your $200 m off-season signing was a bust and your franchise player is too injury prone to ever lead you anywhere.
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Nurse, please show you are a good coach like a lot raptors fans think to make that 76ers win more


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Post#340 » by SFour » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:26 pm

Tripod wrote:I still view Yak in this way when it came to the trade.

Lively went #12 in a draft viewed as good and deep. But he also in essence went #10 where Dallas picked with that trade.

So a non shooting C went top 10ish in a good draft and like most picks, still had the unknown of how he he would do. But regardless...top10-12.

So where would he go in a bad draft the following year? Well logic says inside the top 10.

So we added Yak for what ended up #8 in a draft where Lively likely goes around the same spot.

Difference is we KNEW Yak wasn't ever going to bust, was already in his prime, and has much more to his game with his passing.

Like it or not, Yak was worth that high a pick in a poor draft. Of course the issue should always be that given where we were in the standings, it's a move that didn't make sense given the chance to land Wemby.

But hey, we did it and added a good starting C and drafted Dick who is been great this year.


I think Masai only regrets the weak protection he put on that pick, but he doesn't regret the trade.

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