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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#81 » by Red8911 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:15 am

jordanwilliams6 wrote:Giddey’s confidence seems shot. I think it’ll be a very short stay in Chicago for him.

His next contract won’t be much at all. If he can’t produce on offense with this team playing at a fast tempo, he won’t be able to at all.

Clearly low confidence right now but he needs to get his sht together and do better. No one will feel bad for him he can lose his starting spot and contract if this continues. He started off the season well so it’s not like he’s not capable.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#82 » by DASMACKDOWN » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:17 am

Some analysis...

As you know I wasnt a fan of Billy playing/starting Torrey Craig, but he had a really good game. Looks lke he may have rolled an ankle though.

Zach was Zach tonight. His shot was pure. He got a few turnovers late that he probably wants back but it is what it is.

I thought Coby and Vooch were really quiet tonight. That was probably Vooch worst game of the season so far. He has been that good though.

Dalen Terry might have been his best game of the season. He was very impactful defensively. Still had a few mistakes but he hit 2 3ptrs and was just active. That was great to see.

Ayo had a quiet night.

Giddey needs to talk to a sports psychologist. He is really in his head right now and we are watching a guy completely lose confidence.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#83 » by MrSparkle » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:17 am

I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#84 » by Chi town » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:18 am

League needs to get rid of this Lillard flop on every PNR the defender squeezes the screen. It’s just awful ball. Rarely is it a foul.

It makes the game watchable.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#85 » by DASMACKDOWN » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:22 am

MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.


Its the biggest reason why I was pissed that Torrey Craig started. You would think with Pat out, Phillips and Matas would get more minutes. Wrong.

Philips still got 14 minutes (same as the previous game). Matas would have had 4 minute if not for garbage time. So this completely confuses me.

I think people are really missing the significance of this. If you have Torrey Craig taking away development minutes for Phillips and Matas, we are dealing with idiots.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#86 » by kodo » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:28 am

Doesn't even matter even if playing Craig got us a W, it's a crime to keep Buzelis out of games even when PWill is injured. Buzelis isn't going to magically become an NBA vet watching Craig watch from the bench. He's got to get in there, make a million mistakes, get better next season. Except now next season will be 2 seasons from now. Maybe 3 if he's benched next season as well.

Talent developing slowly in Chicago like Markkanen & Coby isn't a coincidence.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#87 » by Red8911 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:35 am

MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.
He chose Phillips to get humiliated instead lol. When Craig came out in the 3rd quarter Phillips was in guarding Giannis and was scored on every single possession. Why not throw in the taller Matas? he couldn’t have done a worse job than Phillips.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#88 » by Red8911 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:39 am

Chi town wrote:League needs to get rid of this Lillard flop on every PNR the defender squeezes the screen. It’s just awful ball. Rarely is it a foul.

It makes the game watchable.

NBA needs to allow more contact in general,let defenders actually defend ! If they think all these 3 pointers and crazy high scoring games are fun to watch, they aren’t. Most fans hate it.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#89 » by DASMACKDOWN » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:45 am

kodo wrote: Buzelis isn't going to magically become an NBA vet watching Craig watch from the bench. He's got to get in there, make a million mistakes, get better next season.


Some more food for thought.

Matas has played less minutes than 17 of 27 eligible 1st rounders this year. The only top 10 draftee that has played less is Rob Dillingham and that's because has been injured to start the year.

Bubble gum Billy at his best.

In an era where Philly can keep getting late draftees and force them early (Maxey and now McCain) we seem to force our best young players to sit on the bench. We must be winning titles this year because you know why play rookies?
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#90 » by Chi town » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:51 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.


Its the biggest reason why I was pissed that Torrey Craig started. You would think with Pat out, Phillips and Matas would get more minutes. Wrong.

Philips still got 14 minutes (same as the previous game). Matas would have had 4 minute if not for garbage time. So this completely confuses me.

I think people are really missing the significance of this. If you have Torrey Craig taking away development minutes for Phillips and Matas, we are dealing with idiots.


All I can think is they are waiting for Buz to show the right habits in practice etc.

Either way it’s so dumb considering Pat was and is being gifted mins for very little.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#91 » by Dan Z » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:49 am

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jordanwilliams6 wrote:Giddey’s confidence seems shot. I think it’ll be a very short stay in Chicago for him.

His next contract won’t be much at all. If he can’t produce on offense with this team playing at a fast tempo, he won’t be able to at all.


It’s a LONG season. He started off well.


I bet his next contract will be decent even if he doesn't play well. He's young and someone will believe in his potential, plus AK doesnt want to admit that it was a mistake trading for him (if it does become a mistake). On top of all that NBA contracts are crazy these days.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#92 » by JimmyButler21 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:51 am

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kodo wrote: Buzelis isn't going to magically become an NBA vet watching Craig watch from the bench. He's got to get in there, make a million mistakes, get better next season.


Some more food for thought.

Matas has played less minutes than 17 of 27 eligible 1st rounders this year. The only top 10 draftee that has played less is Rob Dillingham and that's because has been injured to start the year.

Bubble gum Billy at his best.

In an era where Philly can keep getting late draftees and force them early (Maxey and now McCain) we seem to force our best young players to sit on the bench. We must be winning titles this year because you know why play rookies?

The Bulls have no plan. They don't want to go out and full tank but they're not good enough to make the playoffs. So it leads to you either sneaking into the play-in or getting another #7 pick. Play the young guys, who cares if you lose?
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#93 » by Dominator83 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:25 am

kodo wrote:Doesn't even matter even if playing Craig got us a W, it's a crime to keep Buzelis out of games even when PWill is injured. Buzelis isn't going to magically become an NBA vet watching Craig watch from the bench. He's got to get in there, make a million mistakes, get better next season. Except now next season will be 2 seasons from now. Maybe 3 if he's benched next season as well.

Talent developing slowly in Chicago like Markkanen & Coby isn't a coincidence.

Well Markkanen did start here from day 1 and had a very strong rookie season. For some reason he just never really got better here after that. But that definitely still falls under our lack of any ability to develop any players. Like really since Jimmy Butler, none of our 1st round picks really ever amounted to anything. And if they did eventually find their nitche, it was after they left here (Markkanen and Portis). Maybe Coby, but that's still 1 guy since Butler, who was drafted here 13 years ago. And Coby still is probably more of a microwave off the bench for a contending team as opposed to a heavy.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#94 » by MalagaBulls » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:45 am

Well, that was expected. They went on runs, we clawed back and finally lost at the FT line. Game was pretty even apart from that. On to the next losefest I guess.

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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#95 » by samwana » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:52 am

Good thing that we have a coach that is reliable and there is no coach that could do better with our current roster.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#96 » by drosestruts » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:41 pm

What a mix of emotions

Wanted Buzelis to start but no doubt that will be a good game to point to when talking to other team about the value of Torrey Craig. If I were the Lakers I'd be trading for Vuc and Craig yesterday.

Zach showed up. Craig showed up. Terry showed up. If we got a good game from anyone else I think we'd be talking about a win. Everyone else was mediocre to bad on the night.

Giddey, Giddey, Giddey... the play on the court and the quotes off it - guy is clearly hard on himself. Shrewd armchair GM in me says it will allow us to retain him on the cheap. Do we need to trade for some of his Aussie buds to help get his mind right? Can we steal Jack McVeigh from his 2-way deal with Houston? Throw in Londale while we're at it.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#97 » by DuckIII » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:43 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.


I’m no BD fan but I’ll never really blame him for this. Sitting Matas for Craig is the “AK Way.” Just more evidence that attempting to win as many games as possible is still the primary, and incomprehensibly stupid, plan.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#98 » by drosestruts » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:26 pm

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MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know why you wouldn’t give your 6’10 rookie some burn against Giannis. Let him get humiliated- whatever. It’d be a life changing night. Billy is lame.


I’m no BD fan but I’ll never really blame him for this. Sitting Matas for Craig is the “AK Way.” Just more evidence that attempting to win as many games as possible is still the primary, and incomprehensibly stupid, plan.


Well herein lies one of the issues - I disagree that we are attempting to win as many games as possible.

If that were true - Craig would have been getting more minutes already this season.

We're trying to straddle some weird line of letting the chips fall where they may while playing our young players (or at least most of them as Matas was glued to the bench last night).

We've all participated in endless arguments over season-long goals/strategies. I think the frustrating part is we don't seem wholly committed to any one approach.

Craig starting last night, but not having received many minutes prior to that is a good example of this.
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#99 » by GoBlue72391 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:16 pm

Should we start a #FreeMatas campaign?
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Re: Bulls @ Bucks 6:30 CT 

Post#100 » by Stratmaster » Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:28 pm

GoBlue72391 wrote:Should we start a #FreeMatas campaign?


I like the kid. But it would surely backfire.

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