Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[Klomp]

As we slowly creep down that inevitable path of trading Randle for peanuts, it's going to start sinking in for some deniers that KAT was indeed more than worthy of being our second Max contract to build around to support Ant.

At only 28 years old when he was dealt, the KAT trade will long be remembered as what ultimately led to Ant asking for a trade IMO.

If he was at Rudy's new number, absolutely. That's what the problem was, though. KAT doesn't make what Rudy makes; he makes roughly 30% more.

I think keeping Towns on the team hinders the roster construction far more than trading him did.

[TimberKat]

As we slowly creep down that inevitable path of trading Randle for peanuts, it's going to start sinking in for some deniers that KAT was indeed more than worthy of being our second Max contract to build around to support Ant.

At only 28 years old when he was dealt, the KAT trade will long be remembered as what ultimately led to Ant asking for a trade IMO.

I agree with the first part, but I'm not sold on the second one. If the FO continues to show an attempt at becoming a contender and Ant feels the same way, don't think he leaves. He is pursuing greatness and, as evidenced by LBJ, getting a championship for the team that drafted you is a stride in the right direction.

I knew we would regret the KAT trade and while I tried to believe it would turn out ok, I just don't. This team was set up for success. I understand the need for a second "get your own" scorer, but I think that Jaden may have turned into that for us. I think Randle is crowding Jaden, pausing his growth. OTOH, I am not an NBA GM.

As evidence by LBJ, he went to MIA to team up with other all stars to win - not one, not two , not there... Well... the first championship.

I don't like the trade but still holding out hope that Randle could be an all star level player again because that is our last hope because we have no salary slot to trade. I don't know if we could even upgrade by trading Naz, NAW or JMcD. Could we dip below second apron this off season and make a major move?

I really thought Gobert was the last piece of the puzzle. DLo should had been able to work with Gobert and he was also that second shot creator we needed. We should had run it back this year and trade Towns after this season if needed.

[shrink]

BRK fan on the trade board suggested NAW for Day’Ron Sharpe and 2025 CHI 2nd

Sharpe is 6-11, 265. He hasn’t played this season with an injured hamstring, but is due back any game now. In his career, he’s 56.5% FG, 36.4 FG3% (low volume), 5.3 RPG, 6.0 PPG. Like NAW, he is on an expiring.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sharpda01.html

[Klomp]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

[shrink]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

While NAW may be one of my favorite players on this team, it’s something I’m comfortable with, for four reasons.

1. Our three bigs are playing big minutes now because we don’t have another option. I think their play could improve if they could play a lesser volume.

2. Those current back up center minutes are being used on players that aren’t centers, and the team suffers.

3. An injury to Gobert could doom the whole season.

4. NAW has been great, but losing NAW isn’t the worst thing. Connelly’s original plan was to work in Dillingham (and maybe Shannon) early, but the surprise addition of DiVincenzo ate all their minutes. Those rookies won’t play as well as NAW, but getting them some minutes early in their career, in important situations, was the Connelly plan that helped develop Ant so much.

I’m not willing to give NAW away. He has value for us in the regular season and playoffs, and his Bird rights could help us this summer. But if we can get enough value back in a trade, it seems like this would help fix the rotation throughout the team.

[Klomp]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

While NAW may be one of my favorite players on this team, it’s something I’m comfortable with, for four reasons.

1. Our three bigs are playing big minutes now because we don’t have another option. I think their play could improve if they could play a lesser volume.

2. Those current back up center minutes are being used on players that aren’t centers, and the team suffers.

3. An injury to Gobert could doom the whole season.

4. NAW has been great, but losing NAW isn’t the worst thing. Connelly’s original plan was to work in Dillingham (and maybe Shannon) early, but the surprise addition of DiVincenzo ate all their minutes. Those rookies won’t play as well as NAW, but getting them some minutes early in their career, in important situations, was the Connelly plan that helped develop Ant so much.

I appreciate hearing your reasons. I think the potential Gobert injury is the one that actually holds the most water. But then, is a Dayron Sharpe really going to make the difference?!

[shrink]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

While NAW may be one of my favorite players on this team, it’s something I’m comfortable with, for four reasons.

1. Our three bigs are playing big minutes now because we don’t have another option. I think their play could improve if they could play a lesser volume.

2. Those current back up center minutes are being used on players that aren’t centers, and the team suffers.

3. An injury to Gobert could doom the whole season.

4. NAW has been great, but losing NAW isn’t the worst thing. Connelly’s original plan was to work in Dillingham (and maybe Shannon) early, but the surprise addition of DiVincenzo ate all their minutes. Those rookies won’t play as well as NAW, but getting them some minutes early in their career, in important situations, was the Connelly plan that helped develop Ant so much.

I appreciate hearing your reasons. I think the potential Gobert injury is the one that actually holds the most water. But then, is a Dayron Sharpe really going to make the difference?!

We’re getting killed whenever Rudy goes to the bench, with neither Randle nor Naz able to play center at all. Even if Sharpe is just underneath defending and banging for rebounds, it helps Naz and Randle play more PF, where they are both much much better.

Ditto for losing NAW. NAW has been great, but in order to get our SG’s Ant, DiVincenzo, and NAW enough minutes, they are forced to play out of position too, mostly playing PG.

My point isn’t that a guy like Day’Ron will outperform NAW specifically, but that he could make a Day’Ron TEAM outperform a NAW TEAM, by helping other players do more of what they do best.

[frankenwolf]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

It would really be what we would get in return for NAW. I've seen the possibilities that have been posted here and I'm not thrilled with any of them. I also understand that we do need a real (6'11 or taller) defender to back up Gobert. Yes, KAT may never make an NBA All-Defense team, but he was better than what we are currently using. Unless Garza turns into Mark Eaton, we need that 7 footer that plays defense for 10-15 minutes a game. If we had someone like that, Naz might slide down to a 3 if playing with Randle.
Just spit-ballin' here.

[Klomp]

While NAW may be one of my favorite players on this team, it’s something I’m comfortable with, for four reasons.

1. Our three bigs are playing big minutes now because we don’t have another option. I think their play could improve if they could play a lesser volume.

2. Those current back up center minutes are being used on players that aren’t centers, and the team suffers.

3. An injury to Gobert could doom the whole season.

4. NAW has been great, but losing NAW isn’t the worst thing. Connelly’s original plan was to work in Dillingham (and maybe Shannon) early, but the surprise addition of DiVincenzo ate all their minutes. Those rookies won’t play as well as NAW, but getting them some minutes early in their career, in important situations, was the Connelly plan that helped develop Ant so much.

I appreciate hearing your reasons. I think the potential Gobert injury is the one that actually holds the most water. But then, is a Dayron Sharpe really going to make the difference?!

We’re getting killed whenever Rudy goes to the bench, with neither Randle nor Naz able to play center at all. Even if Sharpe is just underneath defending and banging for rebounds, it helps Naz and Randle play more PF, where they are both much much better.

Ditto for losing NAW. NAW has been great, but in order to get our SG’s Ant, DiVincenzo, and NAW enough minutes, they are forced to play out of position too, mostly playing PG.

My point isn’t that a guy like Day’Ron will outperform NAW specifically, but that he could make a Day’Ron TEAM outperform a NAW TEAM, by helping other players do more of what they do best.

I get what you are saying. I just don't know that the minutes are really there.

From my perspective again, adding a center means cutting minutes from Gobert, Reid or Randle.
-You don't want to cut Gobert's minutes, since his time on the bench is when the issues arise.
-Reid is already under 25 minutes, roughly the same as where it was last year. Probably shouldn't drop.
-There's room to drop Randle's time I suppose, but I think there's a clear need for his offense. If you're looking at extension talks, dropping his minutes isn't a way to entice him to stick around. And if you aren't looking at extending, you probably need to look at trading him instead of letting him walk for nothing.

That's actually why I think to make a clear change, it might have to be through a bigger trade that probably includes Randle.

[wolves_89]

The more games I've seen the clearer it has become that one of Randle/Naz is going to need to get moved. When the two are paired together it is a defensive disaster in terms of paint protection and rebounding. My personal choice would be to keep Naz and start him at PF, while moving Julius to acquire assets including a backup big who can shore up the paint defense and rebounding. Taking another small step backwards this season might be the right call if we can set the team up for long term success. Using the rest of the season to push McDaniels into a higher usage role and seeing where Dillingham/Minott/Miller are in terms of NBA competition would be good things for the future.

[Danimals]

Randle is the player who’s fit makes everyone else have to adjust. I don’t think the upside is worth the trouble. I’d trade him for some combo of:
a PG to push Mike to the bench
a 4/5 who can play well with both Rudy and Naz
assets that can be used later to improve the roster

[minimus]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

Any NAW trade means that organisation has to gamble on development of someone from Dillingham/Shannon/Nix/Clark group into a rotational guard. I really hope that AT LEAST one becomes an NBA player, but I just doubt it will happen this season.

[minimus]

I like Dayron Sharpe game, but he is an undersized big without enormous wingspan. Kind of bigger Randle. His game is built around his improved athleticism, brute force and physicality. While he is a presence in the paint, he is not most disciplined defender and rebounder, but who knows, maybe he can learn from Gobert. I'd love to get someone like Hukporti or Jericho Sims, but it is unlikely

[Klomp]

Randle is an all-NBA player, at the end of the day. That should have value on the market. Probably not to teams at the top of the standings with well-defined roles in-season, but to teams that may need an infusion of talent even if it comes with some deficiencies. For example, I think Randle in Charlotte with Ball and Miller could be fun to watch. I don't personally want Bridges, but some other team might. Detroit could be another example of this kind of framework.....come to think of it, Detroit could even become a Bridges destination. I'll see if I can work something up.

I think another important thing to look at in a potential trade partner for Randle is the type of team that fans and pundits always expect to tank but never seem to do so. Chicago feels like the perfect example of this. I don't know what kind of surrounding package could be put together, but Randle for Ball and Jalen Smith works financially. The overall value isn't close in that idea, but I think Smith is the kind of big you guys are looking for.

[winforlose]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

Any NAW trade means that organisation has to gamble on development of someone from Dillingham/Shannon/Nix/Clark group into a rotational guard. I really hope that AT LEAST one becomes an NBA player, but I just doubt it will happen this season.

Clark is scoring well/very well in the G. If that shot translates I would say he is NBA player already. Minott has shown an ability to eat minutes without harm if nothing else. Miller will get an opportunity to show if he can play backup 5. Naz can and probably play some 3. If DDV wants/needs to be off ball (AKA the 2,) then we need either Dilly to develop quickly or another PG to let Dilly develop.

You guys should check these stats. His defensive rating is excellent, his shooting splits are great relative to expectations, and this is after missing so much time with an injury.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1641740/

[minimus]

Here's the question we need to be asking....

Say we trade NAW for a big...how does that affect minutes distribution at the 4 and 5? There are 96 minutes allocatable, and Gobert, Reid and Randle are playing 91.6 of them. Are you comfortable playing NAW for someone who currently has roughly 4.5 minutes available to him. Even if minutes got shuffled around, I doubt he would get more than 10-15 minutes per game. Is that worth giving up NAW for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

Any NAW trade means that organisation has to gamble on development of someone from Dillingham/Shannon/Nix/Clark group into a rotational guard. I really hope that AT LEAST one becomes an NBA player, but I just doubt it will happen this season.

Clark is scoring well/very well in the G

Well, I dont see it. Neither volume, neither shot creation. The difference between g-league and NBA has showed TJ Shannon by scoring 34 pts, shooting only 4 threes and using mostly left hand. The bar for Clark if he wants to be in MIN rotation is NAWs performance: around 10PPG on 45-45-80 shooting with excellent PoA defense.

[winforlose]

Any NAW trade means that organisation has to gamble on development of someone from Dillingham/Shannon/Nix/Clark group into a rotational guard. I really hope that AT LEAST one becomes an NBA player, but I just doubt it will happen this season.

Clark is scoring well/very well in the G

Well, I dont see it. Neither volume, neither shot creation. The difference between g-league and NBA has showed TJ Shannon by scoring 34 pts, shooting only 4 threes and using mostly left hand. The bar for Clark if he wants to be in MIN rotation is NAWs performance: around 10PPG on 45-45-80 shooting with excellent PoA defense.

Can we agree he has excellent POA defense? I am honestly asking as for me that is his best feature. Moving on to offense, how likely is Clark to be shooting with volume? I mean how many shot attempts does NAW average per game? BB reference says 6.1 with 3.4 3PAs per game. If Clark can hit an open corner 3 at 35% that is good enough to function as a poor man’s NAW. It is interesting enough to at least get some minutes off the bench as the season progresses. Remember we could sign him to a 4 year Naz Reid type contract and have him dirt cheap. I haven’t been watching him in the G, but if his numbers are even a little translatable, he could be a 5th offensive option and a solid defender.

[Norseman79]

BRK fan on the trade board suggested NAW for Day’Ron Sharpe and 2025 CHI 2nd

Sharpe is 6-11, 265. He hasn’t played this season with an injured hamstring, but is due back any game now. In his career, he’s 56.5% FG, 36.4 FG3% (low volume), 5.3 RPG, 6.0 PPG. Like NAW, he is on an expiring.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sharpda01.html

Sharp must have grown since the draft? Remember him measuring in only at like 6'9. If I remember correctly, that hurt his stock a little bit at the time. Definitely like the idea of going after a young center. Just would prefer an athletic 7 footer if they can find one. And no, Jesse Edwards is not athletic, just watch the kid play.

[Norseman79]

I could absolutely be wrong, and please tell me I am, but Randle and Edwards just don't seem to work together. I don't know what it is, it just doesn't feel like we have any fire.

Maybe we just need to shake up the rotation a little bit, maybe we need to make a move. But we need to do something.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Would like to try to get Missi from NO. Can rebound and defend. Main issue is when Rudy sit.