2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

[Mavrelous]

People talking about voter fatigue and Jokic having only one championship so they can’t give him his fourth well Lebrón won his fourth MVP with only one title at the time.

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

[cpower]

lets not forget the 65 games rule, Joker might have disqualified himself by missing these games early.

[B-easy]

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It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

1. When will this narrative die. 2011 LeBron didn't deserve it at all. He had 2 HOF and somehow had fewer wins than Drose who carried the offensive load with injured teammates. (dwight howard was 2nd that year lol)

2. Yes Lebron was better than Jokic because of the defense, but Jokic is better offensively.

[Karate Diop]

People talking about voter fatigue and Jokic having only one championship so they can’t give him his fourth well Lebrón won his fourth MVP with only one title at the time.

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

Pretty much. Jokic is awesome, but Prime LeBron was on another level.

[AleksandarN]

People talking about voter fatigue and Jokic having only one championship so they can’t give him his fourth well Lebrón won his fourth MVP with only one title at the time.

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

Carrying terrible rosters? He was on the Miami Heat team when he won his fourth MVP can’t tell me he was carrying that team. As a matter of fact his last two MVPs (2012,2013) were on the Heat. Those Heat teams were a lot better than Jokic’s teams.

[Mavrelous]

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It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

1. When will this narrative die. 2011 LeBron didn't deserve it at all. He had 2 HOF and somehow had fewer wins than Drose who carried the offensive load with injured teammates. (dwight howard was 2nd that year lol)

2. Yes Lebron was better than Jokic because of the defense, but Jokic is better offensively.

LeBron led the league on BPM, VORP, WS, WS/48, OWS, PER, was 2nd in EPM behind CP3 not Rose, I think his statistical superiority was way bigger than the few wins Bulls had over the Heat, he lost because no one wanted to vote for him in the season following the decision.

[Mavrelous]

People talking about voter fatigue and Jokic having only one championship so they can’t give him his fourth well Lebrón won his fourth MVP with only one title at the time.

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

Carrying terrible rosters? He was on the Miami Heat team when he won his fourth MVP can’t tell me he was carrying that team.

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

[AleksandarN]

People talking about voter fatigue and Jokic having only one championship so they can’t give him his fourth well Lebrón won his fourth MVP with only one title at the time.

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

Pretty much. Jokic is awesome, but Prime LeBron was on another level.

Again Lebron was on the Heat team when he won his 3rd and 4th mvp. If Jokic keeps up his production and state line he would have a season LeBron never had. So that is another level compared to Lebron and he did without having 2 HOF all nba players on his team.

[Special_Puppy]

lets not forget the 65 games rule, Joker might have disqualified himself by missing these games early.

Jokic has averaged 76 games played over the past 4 seasons

[AleksandarN]

That was prime LeBron, GOAT level player, and he was carrying terrible rosters to 60+ wins, Jokic isn't on this level.

It should've been his 5th MVP BTW, he deserved it in 2011 also, prime LeBron was better than Jokic, look back at the Cavs squad he got 66 wins with.

Carrying terrible rosters? He was on the Miami Heat team when he won his fourth MVP can’t tell me he was carrying that team.

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

[Mavrelous]

Carrying terrible rosters? He was on the Miami Heat team when he won his fourth MVP can’t tell me he was carrying that team.

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

12+13 LeBron was the best player with the best statistical profile on the best team in the league, before his 4th MVP, he already had 2 finals and 1 CF, how is Jokic similar to him?
Yes they both had 1 ring before their 4th MVP, bit LeBron was much much more accomplished.
LeBron didn't win in 11 as F' you vote for destroying competition, no one had an ounce of doubt he WILL win with a semblance of a competitive roster.
Jokic didn't win in 23 specifically because people were afraid of giving 3rd MVP to someone who may never reach the finals, even his supporters were asking whether you can win with a player like him at center defensively, after getting targeted 2 years in a row by CP3 and Steph Curry.

MVP is a narrative award, the narrative around LeBron James and Nikola Jokic couldn't be any different.

[AleksandarN]

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

12+13 LeBron was the best player with the best statistical profile on the best team in the league, before his 4th MVP, he already had 2 finals and 1 CF, how is Jokic similar to him?
Yes they both had 1 ring before their 4th MVP, bit LeBron was much much more accomplished.
LeBron didn't win in 11 as F' you vote for destroying competition, no one had an ounce of doubt he WILL win with a semblance of a competitive roster.
Jokic didn't win in 23 specifically because people were afraid of giving 3rd MVP to someone who may never reach the finals, even his supporters were asking whether you can win with a player like him at center defensively, after getting targeted 2 years in a row by CP3 and Steph Curry.

MVP is a narrative award, the narrative around LeBron James and Nikola Jokic couldn't be any different.

**** realgm. This is third time writing this reply. It keeps resetting. Anyways Jokic can win his fourth MVP with one title as it has be done in the past. Look at Kareem and Lebron. The historic numbers he is putting up this year with lack of support from his number 2 and 3 players there should be no fatigue is all I am saying.

[scrabbarista]

Why aren't there any Jokic haters who call him Yo'Crotch?

Could be fun.

[Packbuckman]

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

12+13 LeBron was the best player with the best statistical profile on the best team in the league, before his 4th MVP, he already had 2 finals and 1 CF, how is Jokic similar to him?
Yes they both had 1 ring before their 4th MVP, bit LeBron was much much more accomplished.
LeBron didn't win in 11 as F' you vote for destroying competition, no one had an ounce of doubt he WILL win with a semblance of a competitive roster.
Jokic didn't win in 23 specifically because people were afraid of giving 3rd MVP to someone who may never reach the finals, even his supporters were asking whether you can win with a player like him at center defensively, after getting targeted 2 years in a row by CP3 and Steph Curry.

MVP is a narrative award, the narrative around LeBron James and Nikola Jokic couldn't be any different.

**** realgm. This is third time writing this reply. It keeps resetting. Anyways Jokic can win his fourth MVP with one title as it has be done in the past. Look at Kareem and Lebron. The historic numbers he is putting up this year with lack of support from his number 2 and 3 players there should be no fatigue is all I am saying.

Hey same thing Giannis is going through and he’s not even on the list lol
Giannis going to be the only player to score over 30 ppg and over 60% fg and for the 2nd yr in a row. He’s also the top player ever to score over 40 pts and over 70% fg. He’s having a historic season too.

[HotRocks34]

Jokic never got the chance to play in the weak East like LeBron did.

Only one of the two has the PER and BPM records, and it's not LeBron.

Lebron's time at the top of the league is over. The Lakers are AD's team now. The MVP standard isn't LeBron it's Kareem, who won five MVPs with one ring. There are no more Kendrick Perkins excuses to deny Jokic this year and it's clearly Jokic's award to lose at this point. Bron or his history aren't part of the equation.

Jokic has never had a current All Star teammate on any of his teams. The first three of Lebron's rings came with two All Star teammates apiece and the fourth Cracker Jack Box Bubble title came with All Star AD in the most outlier environment possible.

Jokic carried a team to a title with no All Star help, went through LeBron to do it, did it after getting robbed of an MVP and became the only person in NBA history to lead an entire playoffs in Total PTS, REB, AST and WS.

When LeBron does that, get back to me. Until then, save the Bron nostalgia. Jokic is also 2-1 all-time head-to-head against LeBron in the postseason.

[AleksandarN]

His 1st 2 MVPs were on the Cavs, really really bad rosters, exactly like Jokic's 1st 2, only LeBron had worse rosters and better success, his 3rd and 4th he was the best player in the world and the only one to have claim at GOAT after MJ, it really isn't close.

Again similar. Jokic is the best player in the world last couple of years and had less support than Lebron’s super team. You could say Jokic is way more valuable to his team than Lebron was to the Heat. As the Nuggets rosters Heat there is no competition in terms of talent. Now you look up the historical numbers Jokic putting up this year I don’t think there should no fatigue at all. These numbers or close to it even Lebron hasn’t done.

12+13 LeBron was the best player with the best statistical profile on the best team in the league, before his 4th MVP, he already had 2 finals and 1 CF, how is Jokic similar to him?
Yes they both had 1 ring before their 4th MVP, bit LeBron was much much more accomplished.
LeBron didn't win in 11 as F' you vote for destroying competition, no one had an ounce of doubt he WILL win with a semblance of a competitive roster.
Jokic didn't win in 23 specifically because people were afraid of giving 3rd MVP to someone who may never reach the finals, even his supporters were asking whether you can win with a player like him at center defensively, after getting targeted 2 years in a row by CP3 and Steph Curry.

MVP is a narrative award, the narrative around LeBron James and Nikola Jokic couldn't be any different.

Also in respect to MVP, which is a regular season award, Jokic had zero all stars playing with him. No one should be bringing up Murray because he isn’t that guy in the regular season. This is a regular season award snd Murray is not playing at that level which means more of a burden Jokic has to carry.

[Wolfgang630]

It doesn’t look good to keep missing games. It’s over a week and a half unless there’s problems with the baby or mother.

[TheHartBreakKid]

It doesn’t look good to keep missing games. It’s over a week and a half unless there’s problems with the baby or mother.

Genuinely curious...which player in the MVP discussion is/has been missing games due to being a new father? I seem to have missed this news.

Edit: Just saw it's regarding Jokic.

I agree that 3 games seems a little much in terms of Optics/NBA wise ( outside of basketball who am I judge a man for his decision to spend time with his new born?).

But I don't think 3 games is close to enough to be a huge difference maker when it's all said and done, the same way a three game absence in November for a sprained ankle isn't and shouldn't be a huge minus in the MVP talks.

[Woodsanity]

Jokic might miss a 4th game. Hope everything is ok with him and his family.

I doubt Jokic cares about MVP at all to be frank.

[Exp0sed]

It doesn’t look good to keep missing games. It’s over a week and a half unless there’s problems with the baby or mother.

Genuinely curious...which player in the MVP discussion is/has been missing games due to being a new father? I seem to have missed this news.

Edit: Just saw it's regarding Jokic.

I agree that 3 games seems a little much in terms of Optics/NBA wise ( outside of basketball who am I judge a man for his decision to spend time with his new born?).

But I don't think 3 games is close to enough to be a huge difference maker when it's all said and done, the same way a three game absence in November for a sprained ankle isn't and shouldn't be a huge minus in the MVP talks.

no such news came out. Jokic wants the matter to remain private and thus far his wishes seem to be respected. the only actual tidbit was Malone saying both Jokic and his family are fine, so that excudes what Wolfgang is implying. Malone wouldn't have came out and said that, if that weren't the case he could just say "no comment"