Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 (i.e. How do we make the Champs even better?)

[playa-hater]

A versatile guard/wing whose contract will work within our luxury tax constraints and trade eligible as making less than Jaden Springer, I’d throw it out there:

Miami Heat trades Jamie Jaquez Jr

Celtics trade Jaden Springer, 2025 first round pick (#30), 2025 Washington second round pick (#31)

Riley believes JJJ will be good enough to package him for Giannis or D Mitch we have no chance.

[redslastlaugh]

No way Riley helps the Celtics.

Yes, this is a good point… But in the big picture, Riley gets that his team is stuck in the middle, Jimmy is 35, and this draft is great. Maybe Miami doesn’t make deals with Boston, but could they move Hero, Butler, Jaquez, Rozier and try to move down the standings to keep their pick (top 14 protected) … I could see it. Riley is no fool, the Jimmy Butler window is closed and keeping Bam and retooling might be his move…

Of course Miami could sell off veterans and still keep JJJ and Jovic… and the whole point may be moot anyway that Riles would never help Boston even if mutually advantageous to do so.

[redslastlaugh]

A versatile guard/wing whose contract will work within our luxury tax constraints and trade eligible as making less than Jaden Springer, I’d throw it out there:

Miami Heat trades Jamie Jaquez Jr

Celtics trade Jaden Springer, 2025 first round pick (#30), 2025 Washington second round pick (#31)

Riley believes JJJ will be good enough to package him for Giannis or D Mitch we have no chance.

lol … JJJ + Hero + Duncan Robinson + 2029 first for Jokic, lol… call LeBetard and lets get the ball rollin…

[redslastlaugh]

A versatile guard/wing whose contract will work within our luxury tax constraints and trade eligible as making less than Jaden Springer, I’d throw it out there:

Miami Heat trades Jamie Jaquez Jr

Celtics trade Jaden Springer, 2025 first round pick (#30), 2025 Washington second round pick (#31)

I really wanted Jaquez in that draft, but he was already snapped up by the Heat. I don't see why they would give him up for a late first and basically 2 seconds. Springer might do well with them, but Jaquez was a great find and is a contributor on their team.

Yea, you may be correct. you dump him if you decide to race to the bottom, finish with some lottery balls and a chance at a top 4 pick in a star studded draft. You dump your vets, maybe including Jaquez, so you don’t win games. And Riles may be ready to move off Jimmy and retool for another chance to build around Bam and get a ring this decade. Riley probably has one rebuild left in him, if decides the Jimmy-Bam duo can’t realistically get the ring, now is a really good time to change gears

[playa-hater]

A versatile guard/wing whose contract will work within our luxury tax constraints and trade eligible as making less than Jaden Springer, I’d throw it out there:

Miami Heat trades Jamie Jaquez Jr

Celtics trade Jaden Springer, 2025 first round pick (#30), 2025 Washington second round pick (#31)

Riley believes JJJ will be good enough to package him for Giannis or D Mitch we have no chance.

lol … JJJ + Hero + Duncan Robinson + 2029 first for Jokic, lol… call LeBetard and lets get the ball rollin…

I kid you not, there are Heat fans out here ( I live in Miami) that actually believe shet like this.

[phincsfan]

It is interesting that Jaquez is no longer a starter. I don't think he's fallen out of favor enough that they're looking to move him, but more that they're getting their moneys worth out of Butler and Herro hoping that another team shows interest in them. I listen to Miami media alot. They really can't stand Herro. They need to figure out how to build around Bam.

[Dogen]

A versatile guard/wing whose contract will work within our luxury tax constraints and trade eligible as making less than Jaden Springer, I’d throw it out there:

Miami Heat trades Jamie Jaquez Jr

Celtics trade Jaden Springer, 2025 first round pick (#30), 2025 Washington second round pick (#31)

I really wanted Jaquez in that draft, but he was already snapped up by the Heat. I don't see why they would give him up for a late first and basically 2 seconds. Springer might do well with them, but Jaquez was a great find and is a contributor on their team.

Yea, you may be correct. you dump him if you decide to race to the bottom, finish with some lottery balls and a chance at a top 4 pick in a star studded draft. You dump your vets, maybe including Jaquez, so you don’t win games. And Riles may be ready to move off Jimmy and retool for another chance to build around Bam and get a ring this decade. Riley probably has one rebuild left in him, if decides the Jimmy-Bam duo can’t realistically get the ring, now is a really good time to change gears

I hadn't considered the blow it up scenario, as it's not usually in Riley's MO, but looking at the charts, it's no fluke that BOS/CLE/NY/ORL are all ahead of the Heat. They don't really have the roster to be contenders at this point, IMO, even with Bucks and 76ers falling this year. The teams ahead of them were already good or made improvements. Orlando may be a dark horse for ECF this year.

I think they'll want more for Jaquez than Celtics will give. And then there is the history of the teams not really being very copacetic for trades, even in the Brad era. I'd love to get Jaquez and would probably be willing to move a couple of players and/or picks, but for the Celtics, disrupting the established chemistry is also an issue.

[Hal14]

No way Riley helps the Celtics.

Yes, this is a good point… But in the big picture, Riley gets that his team is stuck in the middle, Jimmy is 35, and this draft is great. Maybe Miami doesn’t make deals with Boston, but could they move Hero, Butler, Jaquez, Rozier and try to move down the standings to keep their pick (top 14 protected) … I could see it. Riley is no fool, the Jimmy Butler window is closed and keeping Bam and retooling might be his move…

Of course Miami could sell off veterans and still keep JJJ and Jovic… and the whole point may be moot anyway that Riles would never help Boston even if mutually advantageous to do so.

Eh, Riley doesn't get that, he hasn't said anything about a rebuild. We still continue to hear rumors that they're going to try and trade for every star under the sun (Embiid, Giannis, Luka, etc.)

If they move Butler, it would be for another star.

This draft could be really good at the top, like the top 2 or 3 picks. But beyond that, I'm no sold on it being that much better than any normal year's draft. And the pick we'd be trading Miami would be like the 30th pick which would not be a great pick..

[playa-hater]

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[playa-hater]

I think they can't attach a future 1st pick because it could be taken away if they remain in the 2nd apron 3 years in a row. If they can attach their 25' 1st I'd love this move: It will involve San Antonio again because IMO, they should do everything to tank for Flagg. Wemby and Flagg would be a great combo for the NBA. It would stink for Flagg to go to Tor, Was or Philly.

Spurs get Springer and C's 25' 1st

C's get Champagnie

Spurs need to move some other pieces like Barnes/CP3 to go full tank mode. If there's a year to go for it it's this year.

When I first read this I didn't put too much thought on it. But then I decided to take good look at Champagnie. I had no Idea he is 6'8 (listed anyway) . He is only in his 2nd year yet looks so battle tested. At 23 years old only, he would be a great trade choice. I actually would do my Binkie Jordan Walsh + Springer + 2025 1st for him. We would still have potentially pick 32 so not much loss. I still like and believe in Walsh but his timeline and opportunity would be better suited elsewhere. See Nesmith as an example.

Champagnie has some D White Vibes to him. His shooting, just like D white, would probably go up on Boston. He does a little of everything. Certainly is way more capable as a current starter to step in and contribute more than Walsh/Springer by a good margin. All while having a young talent with size to continue to develop.

Champagnie may be the forward version of D White.

Final trade - Champagnie + 2nd for Springer, Walsh, 2025 1st. Celtics Bring back team fan Favorite Lonnie Walker..

[RodyTur10]

Two trading possibilities to dump a lot of long term salary and taxes, while increasing possibilities to add low cost future role players. Yes, I don't like Brown anymore. Just like Smart he's holding the team back. Brown takes 20 shots per game at 48 eFG%. High volume with low efficiency. Quite unnecessary when White, Pritchard, Holiday and Horford shoot the lights out.

To Atlanta: Brown
To Boston: Capela + Hunter + multiple first round picks

To Detroit: Brown
To Boston: Harris + Hardaway + multiple first round picks

[ConstableGeneva]

Two trading possibilities to dump a lot of long term salary and taxes, while increasing possibilities to add low cost future role players. Yes, I don't like Brown anymore. Just like Smart he's holding the team back. Brown takes 20 shots per game at 48 eFG%. High volume with low efficiency. Quite unnecessary when White, Pritchard, Holiday and Horford shoot the lights out.

To Atlanta: Brown
To Boston: Capela + Hunter + multiple first round picks

To Detroit: Brown
To Boston: Harris + Hardaway + multiple first round picks

Not opposed to trading JB but I want to be greedy with the return. Needs to have at least one young high-calibre prospect/future star + one role player vet that can help now + at least 2 unprotected 1sts and a couple of swaps.

[phincsfan]

I think they can't attach a future 1st pick because it could be taken away if they remain in the 2nd apron 3 years in a row. If they can attach their 25' 1st I'd love this move: It will involve San Antonio again because IMO, they should do everything to tank for Flagg. Wemby and Flagg would be a great combo for the NBA. It would stink for Flagg to go to Tor, Was or Philly.

Spurs get Springer and C's 25' 1st

C's get Champagnie

Spurs need to move some other pieces like Barnes/CP3 to go full tank mode. If there's a year to go for it it's this year.

When I first read this I didn't put too much thought on it. But then I decided to take good look at Champagnie. I had no Idea he is 6'8 (listed anyway) . He is only in his 2nd year yet looks so battle tested. At 23 years old only, he would be a great trade choice. I actually would do my Binkie Jordan Walsh + Springer + 2025 1st for him. We would still have potentially pick 32 so not much loss. I still like and believe in Walsh but his timeline and opportunity would be better suited elsewhere. See Nesmith as an example.

Champagnie has some D White Vibes to him. His shooting, just like D white, would probably go up on Boston. He does a little of everything. Certainly is way more capable as a current starter to step in and contribute more than Walsh/Springer by a good margin. All while having a young talent with size to continue to develop.

Champagnie may be the forward version of D White.

Final trade - Champagnie + 2nd for Springer, Walsh, 2025 1st. Celtics Bring back team fan Favorite Lonnie Walker..

I went with a few different angles with my trade idea.

1) If Flagg is gonna be the real deal than tanking is a good idea.
2) Spurs have the best player to pair Flagg with IMO. I'd hate to see Flagg in Was or Tor.
3) C's get a cheap contract and a young productive player. And at the age of 23/24 giving up a late 1st would pretty much be a swap given his contract.

But the Spurs seem to be content with their current roster and are playing like tanking isn't in the plans.

[phincsfan]

Two trading possibilities to dump a lot of long term salary and taxes, while increasing possibilities to add low cost future role players. Yes, I don't like Brown anymore. Just like Smart he's holding the team back. Brown takes 20 shots per game at 48 eFG%. High volume with low efficiency. Quite unnecessary when White, Pritchard, Holiday and Horford shoot the lights out.

To Atlanta: Brown
To Boston: Capela + Hunter + multiple first round picks

To Detroit: Brown
To Boston: Harris + Hardaway + multiple first round picks

Back to the trade JB scenario's ?

TOBIAS HARRIS ???

You realize those future 1st's from either Atl or Det would be crap because JB will absolutely go scorched earth to prove how bad an idea that was to trade him away?

[Hal14]

Two trading possibilities to dump a lot of long term salary and taxes, while increasing possibilities to add low cost future role players. Yes, I don't like Brown anymore. Just like Smart he's holding the team back. Brown takes 20 shots per game at 48 eFG%. High volume with low efficiency. Quite unnecessary when White, Pritchard, Holiday and Horford shoot the lights out.

To Atlanta: Brown
To Boston: Capela + Hunter + multiple first round picks

To Detroit: Brown
To Boston: Harris + Hardaway + multiple first round picks

You gotta be kidding me. Either of these would be among the worst trades in NBA history.

Who cares what he's shooting this season..we're only like 14 games in. He was ECF MVP and NBA finals MVP last season. And is in his prime.

We don't need more picks..we're trying to win a championship here..

[Fierce1]

The Jays are not leaving Boston any time soon.

[redslastlaugh]

Obviously Riles is twenty years older, but you look at what happened after the Heat won the 2006 title with Shaq, within two years everyone but Wade and Haslem was gone, they tanked to 15 wins and got the #2 overall pick in the 2008 draft and opened max capspace for Bosh and Lebron.

If Miami can move Herro, Butler, etc for some draft capital, maybe Jovic and Jaquez for draft capital … that gives them picks and capspace if Giannis or somebody wants to press for a trade there. Milwaukee is not tak8ng back 35 year old Jimmy in a Giannis trade, but if Miami has capspace they can take a big contract and just send back picks. And if they dump their vets, they could lose out and finish with a top 10 pick in this 2025 draft as well. Would not be out of character for Riles at all…

No way Riley helps the Celtics.

Yes, this is a good point… But in the big picture, Riley gets that his team is stuck in the middle, Jimmy is 35, and this draft is great. Maybe Miami doesn’t make deals with Boston, but could they move Hero, Butler, Jaquez, Rozier and try to move down the standings to keep their pick (top 14 protected) … I could see it. Riley is no fool, the Jimmy Butler window is closed and keeping Bam and retooling might be his move…

Of course Miami could sell off veterans and still keep JJJ and Jovic… and the whole point may be moot anyway that Riles would never help Boston even if mutually advantageous to do so.

Eh, Riley doesn't get that, he hasn't said anything about a rebuild. We still continue to hear rumors that they're going to try and trade for every star under the sun (Embiid, Giannis, Luka, etc.)

If they move Butler, it would be for another star.

This draft could be really good at the top, like the top 2 or 3 picks. But beyond that, I'm no sold on it being that much better than any normal year's draft. And the pick we'd be trading Miami would be like the 30th pick which would not be a great pick..

[RodyTur10]

The owners could be saving like $200M in annually luxury taxes.

[redslastlaugh]

I really wanted Jaquez in that draft, but he was already snapped up by the Heat. I don't see why they would give him up for a late first and basically 2 seconds. Springer might do well with them, but Jaquez was a great find and is a contributor on their team.

Yea, you may be correct. you dump him if you decide to race to the bottom, finish with some lottery balls and a chance at a top 4 pick in a star studded draft. You dump your vets, maybe including Jaquez, so you don’t win games. And Riles may be ready to move off Jimmy and retool for another chance to build around Bam and get a ring this decade. Riley probably has one rebuild left in him, if decides the Jimmy-Bam duo can’t realistically get the ring, now is a really good time to change gears

I hadn't considered the blow it up scenario, as it's not usually in Riley's MO, but looking at the charts, it's no fluke that BOS/CLE/NY/ORL are all ahead of the Heat. They don't really have the roster to be contenders at this point, IMO, even with Bucks and 76ers falling this year. The teams ahead of them were already good or made improvements. Orlando may be a dark horse for ECF this year.

I think they'll want more for Jaquez than Celtics will give. And then there is the history of the teams not really being very copacetic for trades, even in the Brad era. I'd love to get Jaquez and would probably be willing to move a couple of players and/or picks, but for the Celtics, disrupting the established chemistry is also an issue.

Yea, even if Riles wants to blow it up, he’ll probably be averse to trading Jaquez to the Cs and, like you said, he could probably find a better offer. But if you could deal your best guys, keeping Bam, and drift down to like 8th - 10th worst record, they’re guaranteed to keep their pick (keep it if it’s top 14) and with the flatter lottery odds, they’ll have a chance to move up and score a primo top 4 pick… and Brook and Middleton aren’t getting younger or healthier… so I just wouldn’t be surprised if Riles goes tank commander, he knows Giannis every year with the Bucks seem farther away from a ring.

And it’s not just Giannis, though Giannis is the likeliest prospect for sure. But, with the Miami female influencer roster, Riley always just one divorced superstar away from a forced trade, lol, and like I said to Hal, Riley *will* selectively tank in the short term, such as during the 08 season as they were rebuilding before adding Lebron to make a second run with Wade.

I’m not saying it’s likely Riley will deal or particularly deal with the Celts, but … Miami looks stuck in the mud, and Riles probably has one last chance left in his career to land a big fish and make a run.

[Hal14]

The owners could be saving like $200M in annually luxury taxes.

And if they wanted to blow it up and rebuild, that might be an option worth exploring.

But that's not the case - it's as far from the case as possible. We're coming off a title, heavy favorites to repeat with the Jays age 28 and 26..could be on the verge of a dynasty. We could win 5 titles with the Jays.

We're not trading one of the Jays, who just won ECF MVP and NBA finals MVP.