State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[QB_Eagles]

Mea culpa, never thought you'd be the voice of reason here

yeah right

BJJ doesn't actually think that at all or he would have been happy going 12-5 for 3 straight seasons which is well above average.

For BJJ the reality is rings only. I absolutely guarantee 100% had Dak and McCarthy lost in the Super Bowl we'd never hear the end of it from him.

He literally believes they rank 32

I’m sure the journey of going 12 and 5 made him so happy. lol
And beating the goat in the playoffs!!! Made him so happy. The inconsistencies and contradictions are mind boggling.

As a matter of fact, bjj thought the vibe was different going into the last postseason and he believed for a while that the Jerry curse was lifted after Jimmy Johnson got inducted into the Cowboys Ring of Honor. So yes, they actually gave him a little excitement last season. It just got annihilated by the Packers and since then he's gone back to saying the Cowboys sucked all along.

[Mr B]

Most cowboy posters know the truth. lol
We just don’t harp on it every day.
Every cowboy fan would be happy if Jerry sold the team.

O.K. great. We agree on this. But if Jerry doesn't sell, how should we move forward then?

We need new coaching. Across the board.
Try to change the culture a bit. Maybe Ben Johnson?
We need to have Dak throwing less. We need a running game. Maybe draft a RB in the second round.
Free agency has to be more of a factor. Sign a veteran DTackle. Someone proven to help stop the run. Splurge on that one position at least. Ideally draft a Left tackle in the first and move Guyton to RT. Steele should be a post June 1 cut as he sucks.
I would move on from Dak but that’s not realistic capwise.
If you disagree with this that’s cool. But give constructive criticism. And give your ideas.

Ben Johnson is the hot name right now but I personally don’t know enough about him to say that’s the guy I want as the next HC.

Another name I have been hearing (outside Deion and Belichick) is Mike Vrabel. From everything I’ve read and seen from Vrabel he seems like the type that could come in and completely change the culture (like Parcels did). This team has gone with offensive minded coaches for quite a while now. I’d like to see them hire a defensive minded HC and bring in a young offensive mind as the OC.

[Micah Prescott]

Been telling you for going on 4 years now that Dak (Your Boy) is not the guy. There was never any chance of any of these 12 win teams were going to the super bowl with Dak. Told you from the beginning, so stop. And Jerry has been the one telling Cowboy nation the past 2 years that McCarthy at minimum, needs to get us to at least the NFC Championship game. Instead he gets rewarded and brought back after getting totally waxed and you are wondering why I am all out this year. Please. I know all teams have a bad year at times and some injuries issues, but after 30 years and nothing. That sample size can't be ignored any longer.
I know you watch all the games like I do. For the life of me, I still can't understand why you can't see what has been in front of your face for over 2 decades now.
Ps. Myself and the rest of us are still waiting for your thoughts, feelings and vision for the Cowboys moving forward. Disappointing Mariner and Mr. B. as well can't come up with a plan and vision either. I guess bashing it out with Niner and Jaguar fans is a way not to answer anything being asked in the thread.

I have answered. The only who hasn’t answered the question is you.

I was waiting for the thread to play out till the end before giving my 2 cents. Jerry and his family need to go and sell the team. As long as Jerry is owner, and especially GM, nothing will change and this will continue. On top of that Jerry just sent the franchise back 5 years by giving Dumb Dak and his girly azz the contract extension. Should have let Dak play out his contract, tank, let Dak walk, trade away Parsons and lamb for a boat load of picks and do an actual rebuild.

This is the only thing you are capable of typing lol

THE JONES FAMILY WILL ALWAYS OWN THE COWBOYS. YOU HAVE TO BE IN ACCEPTANCE OR LEAVE.

And you did leave...so kudos to you.

We know that you can win a ring with Jerry, because he has already won 3. And we have no idea how it will be under Steven who is coming soon. Either way the Jones are the Dallas Cowboys. If you can't accept that then you'll be whining every year.

[bluejerseyjinx]

yeah right

BJJ doesn't actually think that at all or he would have been happy going 12-5 for 3 straight seasons which is well above average.

For BJJ the reality is rings only. I absolutely guarantee 100% had Dak and McCarthy lost in the Super Bowl we'd never hear the end of it from him.

He literally believes they rank 32

I’m sure the journey of going 12 and 5 made him so happy. lol
And beating the goat in the playoffs!!! Made him so happy. The inconsistencies and contradictions are mind boggling.

As a matter of fact, bjj thought the vibe was different going into the last postseason and he believed for a while that the Jerry curse was lifted after Jimmy Johnson got inducted into the Cowboys Ring of Honor. So yes, they actually gave him a little excitement last season. It just got annihilated by the Packers and since then he's gone back to saying the Cowboys sucked all along.

I thought our therapy sessions were confidential.

[Micah Prescott]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I have answered. The only who hasn’t answered the question is you.

I was waiting for the thread to play out till the end before giving my 2 cents. Jerry and his family need to go and sell the team. As long as Jerry is owner, and especially GM, nothing will change and this will continue. On top of that Jerry just sent the franchise back 5 years by giving Dumb Dak and his girly azz the contract extension. Should have let Dak play out his contract, tank, let Dak walk, trade away Parsons and lamb for a boat load of picks and do an actual rebuild.

This is the only thing you are capable of typing lol

THE JONES FAMILY WILL ALWAYS OWN THE COWBOYS. YOU HAVE TO BE IN ACCEPTANCE OR LEAVE.

And you did leave...so kudos to you.

We know that you can win a ring with Jerry, because he has already won 3. And we have no idea how it will be under Steven who is coming soon. Either way the Jones are the Dallas Cowboys. If you can't accept that then you'll be whining every year.

That was my plan till Jerry destroyed everything by signing Dak. It's over. Dak is coming back, Jerry is still GM and the culture is out of control. So no Gm, QB and coach moving forward, I don't see or can relate to your optimism.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I have answered. The only who hasn’t answered the question is you.

I was waiting for the thread to play out till the end before giving my 2 cents. Jerry and his family need to go and sell the team. As long as Jerry is owner, and especially GM, nothing will change and this will continue. On top of that Jerry just sent the franchise back 5 years by giving Dumb Dak and his girly azz the contract extension. Should have let Dak play out his contract, tank, let Dak walk, trade away Parsons and lamb for a boat load of picks and do an actual rebuild.

This is the only thing you are capable of typing lol

THE JONES FAMILY WILL ALWAYS OWN THE COWBOYS. YOU HAVE TO BE IN ACCEPTANCE OR LEAVE.

And you did leave...so kudos to you.

We know that you can win a ring with Jerry, because he has already won 3. And we have no idea how it will be under Steven who is coming soon. Either way the Jones are the Dallas Cowboys. If you can't accept that then you'll be whining every year.

Outside of signing the checks, it was ALL JIMMY'S DOING. And that is were all this started for Jerry 30 years ago. He has been trying to prove everyone wrong since then.

[QB_Eagles]

THE JONES FAMILY WILL ALWAYS OWN THE COWBOYS. YOU HAVE TO BE IN ACCEPTANCE OR LEAVE.

But Cowboys fans are much larger in number than the Jones family –many are armed, too– so if they really wanted to, they could just seize ownership of the Cowboys.

[El Turco]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

[Micah Prescott]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

I think the entire allure to the NFL is based on luck. "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY".

You know why other sport plays a 7 game series in the playoffs? To rule out luck, because any team can get lucky just one game. And the Giants did vs the Brady-Moss Patriots. If that was a 7 game series the Pats would have another ring.

The Eagles lost their star QB and won a ring with backup Nick Foles. So yeah any GM can luckily just drunkenly wobble into a Super Bowl ring. There is no magic force preventing any GM from doing so.

This is just something that most NFL fans like to ignore completely. We like to pin prizes on athletes.

[bluejerseyjinx]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

So the 90's Cowboys was all luck then. Had nothing to do with Jimmy, the OL or all the great players that were on the team. It was all luck between 1966-1985 that the Cowboys had a winning record and only missed the playoffs once in that span. It was also bad luck the Cowboy's played in 12 NFC championship games in a 17 year span. It was all pure luck what Tom Landry did in the 1964 and 1974 NFL Drafts. I guess it was all luck the Cowboy couldn't even draft in their first year of existence in 1960. Must of been all luck Craig Morton threw 3 int's in the 4th period of Super Bowl IV. ETC., etc., etc,. Must be luck the Cowboys and Niners have 5 super bowl chips each. All luck.

[Micah Prescott]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

So the 90's Cowboys was all luck then. Had nothing to do with Jimmy, the OL or all the great players that were on the team. It was all luck between 1966-1985 that the Cowboys had a winning record and only missed the playoffs once in that span. It was also bad luck the Cowboy's played in 12 NFC championship games in a 17 year span. It was all pure luck what Tom Landry did in the 1964 and 1974 NFL Drafts. I guess it was all luck the Cowboy couldn't even draft in their first year of existence in 1960. Must of been all luck Craig Morton threw 3 int's in the 4th period of Super Bowl IV. ETC., etc., etc,. Must be luck the Cowboys and Niners have 5 super bowl chips each. All luck.

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

[Micah Prescott]

The entire dynamic of the Dallas offense is because we got lucky to have Lamb fall to us. And on defense we were lucky that we were in position to draft Parsons. These aren't things that Jerry or anyone else was in control of, these are things that just f**king happened. And they had a huge impact on our outcome.

We didn't even want Dak Prescott, we wanted Paxton Lynch. Dak himself is something that just happened.

[bluejerseyjinx]

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

So the 90's Cowboys was all luck then. Had nothing to do with Jimmy, the OL or all the great players that were on the team. It was all luck between 1966-1985 that the Cowboys had a winning record and only missed the playoffs once in that span. It was also bad luck the Cowboy's played in 12 NFC championship games in a 17 year span. It was all pure luck what Tom Landry did in the 1964 and 1974 NFL Drafts. I guess it was all luck the Cowboy couldn't even draft in their first year of existence in 1960. Must of been all luck Craig Morton threw 3 int's in the 4th period of Super Bowl IV. ETC., etc., etc,. Must be luck the Cowboys and Niners have 5 super bowl chips each. All luck.

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

You don't that. Your being silly now. Jimmy was very creative and would have made other deals. If I remember correctly, Jimmy pulled off more than 50 moves putting that dynasty together. Fact is Jimmy had a vision, had a plan and then produced. But according to you it was all luck.

[bluejerseyjinx]

The entire dynamic of the Dallas offense is because we got lucky to have Lamb fall to us. And on defense we were lucky that we were in position to draft Parsons. These aren't things that Jerry or anyone else was in control of, these are things that just f**king happened. And they had a huge impact on our outcome.

We didn't even want Dak Prescott, we wanted Paxton Lynch. Dak himself is something that just happened.

Unfortunately.

[Micah Prescott]

So the 90's Cowboys was all luck then. Had nothing to do with Jimmy, the OL or all the great players that were on the team. It was all luck between 1966-1985 that the Cowboys had a winning record and only missed the playoffs once in that span. It was also bad luck the Cowboy's played in 12 NFC championship games in a 17 year span. It was all pure luck what Tom Landry did in the 1964 and 1974 NFL Drafts. I guess it was all luck the Cowboy couldn't even draft in their first year of existence in 1960. Must of been all luck Craig Morton threw 3 int's in the 4th period of Super Bowl IV. ETC., etc., etc,. Must be luck the Cowboys and Niners have 5 super bowl chips each. All luck.

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

You don't that. Your being silly now. Jimmy was very creative and would have made other deals. If I remember correctly, Jimmy pulled off more than 50 moves putting that dynasty together. Fact is Jimmy had a vision, had a plan and then produced. But according to you it was all luck.

First off, the entire reason Jimmy was there is because JERRRY JONES fired Tom Landry and hired him.

If McCarthy's failures just funnel to Jerry Jones, then Jimmy's success should do the same thing.

[El Turco]

All fans in general place to much credit and too much blame on everyone in the NFL. Fact is for everything to come together it straight up takes a lot of luck. You need luck on your side to hit on draft picks, you need luck your side that the ball bounces your way. That the kicker hits the field goal, that the runningback doesn't fumble, etc etc etc


Half of Brady's rings are attributed to luck. He got one on the tuck rule and he got another because Pete Carrol called a bad play.

Hell Brady's existence is lucky. The Patriots got lucky that Drew Bledsoe got injured, otherwise Brady would have been the GOAT that never was.

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

I think the entire allure to the NFL is based on luck. "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY".

You know why other sport plays a 7 game series in the playoffs? To rule out luck, because any team can get lucky just one game. And the Giants did vs the Brady-Moss Patriots. If that was a 7 game series the Pats would have another ring.

The Eagles lost their star QB and won a ring with backup Nick Foles. So yeah any GM can luckily just drunkenly wobble into a Super Bowl ring. There is no magic force preventing any GM from doing so.

This is just something that most NFL fans like to ignore completely. We like to pin prizes on athletes.

I agree you need some luck to win a super bowl any given year. Consistent success or failure, prolonged lack of progress on the other hand is measure of competence. F.e. giving Dak his most recent contract is not luck, employing Baalke for years is not luck, giving fully guaranteed albatross contract to a serial rapist is not luck etc.

Dallas hasnt shown significant progress in years, that cant be explained just by luck.

[Micah Prescott]

You really think Cowboys' recent demise is due to luck?

I think the entire allure to the NFL is based on luck. "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY".

You know why other sport plays a 7 game series in the playoffs? To rule out luck, because any team can get lucky just one game. And the Giants did vs the Brady-Moss Patriots. If that was a 7 game series the Pats would have another ring.

The Eagles lost their star QB and won a ring with backup Nick Foles. So yeah any GM can luckily just drunkenly wobble into a Super Bowl ring. There is no magic force preventing any GM from doing so.

This is just something that most NFL fans like to ignore completely. We like to pin prizes on athletes.

I agree you need some luck to win a super bowl any given year. Consistent success or failure, prolonged lack of progress on the other hand is measure of competence. F.e. giving Dak his most recent contract is not luck, employing Baalke for years is not luck, giving fully guaranteed albatross contract to a serial rapist is not luck etc.

Dallas hasnt shown significant progress in years, that cant be explained just by luck.

It's not all luck, but if you don't think the Chiefs consistent success had any luck involved you're just lying to yourself. They were very lucky to have the #10 pick for one and then on top of that most NFL Drafts don't even have a Mahomes in them. The stars just all aligned for the Chiefs. You think they just suddenly got great at managing?

[El Turco]

I think the entire allure to the NFL is based on luck. "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY".

You know why other sport plays a 7 game series in the playoffs? To rule out luck, because any team can get lucky just one game. And the Giants did vs the Brady-Moss Patriots. If that was a 7 game series the Pats would have another ring.

The Eagles lost their star QB and won a ring with backup Nick Foles. So yeah any GM can luckily just drunkenly wobble into a Super Bowl ring. There is no magic force preventing any GM from doing so.

This is just something that most NFL fans like to ignore completely. We like to pin prizes on athletes.

I agree you need some luck to win a super bowl any given year. Consistent success or failure, prolonged lack of progress on the other hand is measure of competence. F.e. giving Dak his most recent contract is not luck, employing Baalke for years is not luck, giving fully guaranteed albatross contract to a serial rapist is not luck etc.

Dallas hasnt shown significant progress in years, that cant be explained just by luck.

It's not all luck, but if you don't think the Chiefs consistent success had any luck involved you're just lying to yourself. They were very lucky to have the #10 pick for one and then on top of that most NFL Drafts don't even have a Mahomes in them. You think they just suddenly got great at managing?

They didnt have the 10th pick, they moved up from the 27th pick which was certainly stroke of genius. They scouted well and did everything in their power to move up and grab him.

[Micah Prescott]

And I am not trying to suggest that the NFL is all pure luck, it isn't that black and white. But a huge percentage of it is.

Of all the professional sports out there, I think it is the most luck-ridden

"THE GAME OF INCHES" because so many games come down to just one small thing. One PI call can do it. Or one muffed snap.