State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[bluejerseyjinx]

I agree you need some luck to win a super bowl any given year. Consistent success or failure, prolonged lack of progress on the other hand is measure of competence. F.e. giving Dak his most recent contract is not luck, employing Baalke for years is not luck, giving fully guaranteed albatross contract to a serial rapist is not luck etc.

Dallas hasnt shown significant progress in years, that cant be explained just by luck.

It's not all luck, but if you don't think the Chiefs consistent success had any luck involved you're just lying to yourself. They were very lucky to have the #10 pick for one and then on top of that most NFL Drafts don't even have a Mahomes in them. You think they just suddenly got great at managing?

They didnt have the 10th pick, they moved up from the 27th pick which was certainly stroke of genius. They scouted well and did everything in their power to move up and grab him.

We have another winner. Ding, ding.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I think the entire allure to the NFL is based on luck. "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY".

You know why other sport plays a 7 game series in the playoffs? To rule out luck, because any team can get lucky just one game. And the Giants did vs the Brady-Moss Patriots. If that was a 7 game series the Pats would have another ring.

The Eagles lost their star QB and won a ring with backup Nick Foles. So yeah any GM can luckily just drunkenly wobble into a Super Bowl ring. There is no magic force preventing any GM from doing so.

This is just something that most NFL fans like to ignore completely. We like to pin prizes on athletes.

I agree you need some luck to win a super bowl any given year. Consistent success or failure, prolonged lack of progress on the other hand is measure of competence. F.e. giving Dak his most recent contract is not luck, employing Baalke for years is not luck, giving fully guaranteed albatross contract to a serial rapist is not luck etc.

Dallas hasnt shown significant progress in years, that cant be explained just by luck.

It's not all luck, but if you don't think the Chiefs consistent success had any luck involved you're just lying to yourself. They were very lucky to have the #10 pick for one and then on top of that most NFL Drafts don't even have a Mahomes in them. The stars just all aligned for the Chiefs. You think they just suddenly got great at managing?

[QB_Eagles]

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

No, it was not luck. What was sneaky about the trade is that the players coming from the Vikings were conditional and would turn into draft picks if they got cut by the Cowboys. So Jimmy cut almost all of them and drafted players he knew very well from coaching college.

He didn't have that advantage later with the Dolphins.

[Micah Prescott]

It's not all luck, but if you don't think the Chiefs consistent success had any luck involved you're just lying to yourself. They were very lucky to have the #10 pick for one and then on top of that most NFL Drafts don't even have a Mahomes in them. You think they just suddenly got great at managing?

They didnt have the 10th pick, they moved up from the 27th pick which was certainly stroke of genius. They scouted well and did everything in their power to move up and grab him.

We have another winner. Ding, ding.

LOL that goes back to the Jimmy trade. The Chiefs were still lucky that #1 the trade was available and that #2 the player was there and that #3 they needed a QB

And every pick is a crap shoot all of them

The 9ers traded up for Lance and then were lucky that led to to the discovery of Purdy.

[QB_Eagles]

First off, the entire reason Jimmy was there is because JERRRY JONES fired Tom Landry and hired him.

If McCarthy's failures just funnel to Jerry Jones, then Jimmy's success should do the same thing.

Any new owner would have fired Landry.

Kinda weird that you give Jerry credit for that, when there was luck involved in him becoming the owner as well.

I will say though that Jerry is a marketing genius. He just sucks as a GM.

[Micah Prescott]

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

No, it was not luck. What was sneaky about the trade is that the players coming from the Vikings were conditional and would turn into draft picks if they got cut by the Cowboys. So Jimmy cut almost all of them and drafted players he knew very well from coaching college.

He didn't have that advantage later with the Dolphins.

I mean EXACTLY!

He was lucky in Dallas that the trade was there, and then on top of that he was lucky that it led to the players it did. Aikman, Emmitt, etc.

Had Jimmy been hired just one year later none of it would have happened.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

[Micah Prescott]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Like I said it isn't black and white. He has done things that are his own fault, and he has also had things happen that weren't.

McCarthy has a ring, do you pin that on McCarthy or was he just lucky to be in the spot that he was in?

[Micah Prescott]

With Jerry though you can't pin his failures on him, and his success on someone else (Jimmy)

He is the reason for Jimmy, just like he is the reason for McCarthy.

[El Turco]

They didnt have the 10th pick, they moved up from the 27th pick which was certainly stroke of genius. They scouted well and did everything in their power to move up and grab him.

We have another winner. Ding, ding.

LOL that goes back to the Jimmy trade. The Chiefs were still lucky that #1 the trade was available and that #2 the player was there and that #3 they needed a QB

And every pick is a crap shoot all of them

The 9ers traded up for Lance and then were lucky that led to to the discovery of Purdy.

You'll always find a trade in top ten since not every team going to draft a quarterback. And they didnt need a quarterback, most were surprised they gave up so much when they had Alex Smith.

They had been a well run franchise few years before Mahomes, he just took them next level. Draft is an educated guess, some teams are just more educated then others so they seem "luckier" on the long run.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Like I said it isn't black and white. He has done things that are his own fault, and he has also had things happen that weren't.

McCarthy has a ring, do you pin that on McCarthy or was he just lucky to be in the spot that he was in?

Once you win a ring it doesn't matter. Know one can ever take it away from you for whatever reason.

[El Turco]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Games should be decided by roll of dice, why bother with scouting, schemes, team building, hiring right coaches, cap management etc.

[QB_Eagles]

Jimmy was HELLA LUCKY that the Vikings made that trade. That entire dynasty couldn't have happened without the Hershall Walker trade.


If it was all Jimmy like you suggest? Miami would ahve 3 rings

No, it was not luck. What was sneaky about the trade is that the players coming from the Vikings were conditional and would turn into draft picks if they got cut by the Cowboys. So Jimmy cut almost all of them and drafted players he knew very well from coaching college.

He didn't have that advantage later with the Dolphins.

I mean EXACTLY!

He was lucky in Dallas that the trade was there, and then on top of that he was lucky that it led to the players it did. Aikman, Emmitt, etc.

Had Jimmy been hired just one year later none of it would have happened.

Aikman was already there before the trade. I suggest you read the history of your own team.

It's not all luck when Jimmy knew players that resulted from the trade. Russell Maryland for example even played at Miami.

[QB_Eagles]

With Jerry though you can't pin his failures on him, and his success on someone else (Jimmy)

He is the reason for Jimmy, just like he is the reason for McCarthy.

Why is the hiring of Jimmy Johnson deterministic but everything else is random?

Make it make sense.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Games should be decided by roll of dice, why bother with scouting, schemes, team building, hiring right coaches, cap management etc.

Must be all luck Mahomes has always, at the very least played in every AFC Championship game since he took over full time for the Chiefs. Must be all luck they are about to win their 9 division title in a row. Must be all luck they have won 3 super bowls in 5 years. Must be all luck to have a target on your back the past 5 years and are now going for a 3ird straight Super Bowl which has never been done.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Games should be decided by roll of dice, why bother with scouting, schemes, team building, hiring right coaches, cap management etc.

Dak and Lamb already be taking up 45% of next year's cap. So when they make Parsons the highest paid defensive player to move it up much more, try building off that.

[Micah Prescott]

With Jerry though you can't pin his failures on him, and his success on someone else (Jimmy)

He is the reason for Jimmy, just like he is the reason for McCarthy.

Why is the hiring of Jimmy Johnson deterministic but everything else is random?

Make it make sense.

This is strawman crap, I have said numerous times it isn't black and white, but that comment was in regards to BJJ wanting to blame all the Cowboys failures on Jerry but all the success on Jimmy, that is what doesn't make sense.

Jerry hired Jimmy just like he hired McCarthy

[Micah Prescott]

Well then it is just plain luck that Jerry has sucked as Gm for almost 3 decades now.

Like I said it isn't black and white. He has done things that are his own fault, and he has also had things happen that weren't.

McCarthy has a ring, do you pin that on McCarthy or was he just lucky to be in the spot that he was in?

Once you win a ring it doesn't matter. Know one can ever take it away from you for whatever reason.

Okay so NOW it's all about rings?

And you take Jerry's rings away from him. They aren't his they are Jimmy's rings right?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Like I said it isn't black and white. He has done things that are his own fault, and he has also had things happen that weren't.

McCarthy has a ring, do you pin that on McCarthy or was he just lucky to be in the spot that he was in?

Once you win a ring it doesn't matter. Know one can ever take it away from you for whatever reason.

Okay so NOW it's all about rings?

And you take Jerry's rings away from him. They aren't his they are Jimmy's rings right?

If it wasn't for Jimmy, Jerry would have no rings. This is where the original old guard Cowboy fans disagree with the younger generations.

[QB_Eagles]

Once you win a ring it doesn't matter. Know one can ever take it away from you for whatever reason.

Okay so NOW it's all about rings?

And you take Jerry's rings away from him. They aren't his they are Jimmy's rings right?

If it wasn't for Jimmy, Jerry would have no rings. This is where the original old guard Cowboy fans disagree with the younger generations.

This Eagles fan agrees, too.