SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:michaelm wrote:SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
Our board gave Kerr so much **** for playing Lamb over Kuminga and Moody if Kar was Hitler or Trump or something. Plus minus supported Kerr and did not support our board. If you wanted to make the playoffs, playing Lamb was the correct thing to do. Two timelines with stupid we never should have drafted Kuminga and Moody even though they are good now. Thinking that Curry would not age was a dumb idea even though Curry sort of is not aging. If Curry was aging normally the Kuminga Curry combined timeline would not exist.
So I became skeptical of all criticism of Kar that it might all be as irrational as thinking that baby Jesus, Anthony Randolph was going to save us.
I don’t remember your position on playing Lamb over Kuminga and Curry.
Klay is a completely different story. I don’t know which was more likely, Kuminga and Moody becoming as good as they have become or Wiggins and Klay returning to good form. In Win now situation’s I kind of trust the old injured vets more than I trust the undeveloped kids.
What was the on off for Klay last year when Curry was off the floor? Who was the go to guy with Cory off the floor last year? I think it was Klay and I’m not sure if Kuminga was ready for that role. I expect Kuminga to become a go to scorer next year if not this year But when the offenses playing like they’re broken as a team offense, and the the other team’s defense is playing well I thought Klay was different than Kuminga but not much worse than Kuminga at carrying an offensive load. Kuminga was more efficient but more stoppable.
The praise of Moody, who only now is finally deserving that praise in the condemnation of Klay struck me as being exaggerated.
I don’t remember where you stood on his issues . Last year’s sucky offense team kind of needed Klay but we needed Klay to be better than he was but we really had no Plan B to Klay and Wiggins being good. Now we have a team offense and we can trust Kuminga as a one on one player. I think last summer was the right time to part ways with Klay not before that.
I’m not crying for Moodys lost minutes. Maybe we should have traded Moody to a bad team we could get minutes. If we had Melton and Buddy Hield in 2022 and 2023 then Klay would have got less minutes.
Don’t agree.
Lamb wasn’t the quality of player who in any major role would have allowed them to do anything if they got to the play-offs, while Kuminga and Moody were at least capable of developing to be useful. Moody in particular was hooked/benched with the slightest of provocations.
What is most salient imo is that they couldn’t play Warriors ball/Kerr and Curry ball, which when successful has always depended at least as much on elite defense as on offense, with post injury Klay and geriatric CP3. Their overall numbers might not have looked all that bad, they were possibly useful early in games, but at the death when fatigued as well as slow and/or old they were a disaster.
I have more doubts about Moody currently than I have had for 2 seasons btw. And sure it may be appropriate to blame the FO rather than Kerr, they didn’t give him the players to execute his successful scheme, the two timelines thing was indeed unlikely to come off although it might have if they had selected Haliburton and/or Wagner, and they should indeed imo, your opinion and that of many others have looked to maximise the window of the best player the franchise is ever likely to have in Steph Curry.
Lamb did not have the upside potential of Kuminga and Moody but plus minus was not lying, Lamb was helping that bad Warriors team win games more than inexperienced low basketball IQ Kuminga and Moody were. Kerr was not wrong to play Lamb over Kuminga and Moody if we were in win now mode. Warriors were not good but as long we had Curry and Draymond it would have been wrong to put developing Kuminga and Moody above the goal of making the playoffs for which playing Lamb was a better choice than playing Kuminga and Moody.
The inability of consensus opinion on our board to understand that car was making the right decision when he played Lamb over Kuminga and Moody made me doubt the basketball IQ of our board at assessing Kerr’s coaching job. Our board was delusional when they could not see the flaws in too young Kuminga’s and Moody.
Kerr was correct and our board was wrong.
Klay was a different story.
Bad Klay taking difficult shots was not efficient but was still better than anybody else other than anybody else other Curry could do. If you have five seconds left on the shot clock and the team offense is not working and not moving the ball properly and not setting screens probably then it was better to have the ball in Klay’s hand than in Kuminga’s hand in that situation. I would’ve loved to have Jimmy Butler as 2nd option to Curry but we didn’t have Jimmy Butler so our choice was Klay or Kuminga.
5 seconds remaining on the shot clock with a broken team offense who are you going to Dray as a passer, Or Kuminga or Klay as a scorer. With time running out I’ll be perfectly happy with a 30% shooter shooter. I trust bad Klay to shoot bad shots at 30% where as I do not really want Kuminga shooting bad shots. As Kuminga gets better at drawing fouls I am getting comfortable with Kuminga going 1 on 3 driving into a crowd of defenders which Kuminga is pretty good at but those are bad shots and I trusted Klay more at hitting bad shots last year than I trusted Kuminga at hitting bad shots. kuminga was the better good shot shooter than Klay so for the 1st 15 seconds of shot clock I preferred the ball in Kuminga’s hands but if somebody had to hit a garbage shot I trusted Klay more in that role last year. All I am asking for from my bad shot shooter is 30% Shooting on bail out bad shot shooting.
Klay with the ball in his hands to take a bail-out bad shot might find Trayce for a dunk. New and improved Kuminga moight also find Trayce for a dunk but prior to late last year I did not trust Kuminga as a passerer.
I didn't care too much about Lamb/JK/Moody. My main issues from what I remember that season was Lamb playing over those two guys in the regular season, and then Kerr shelving him in the PS and playing.. the guys he had benched for Lamb. It was cookoo bizarro decision making. I'm fine with one or the other, but flipping it that way was just perplexing.
Klay was not the 2nd option in that 22 team, Wiggins was. Klay just took that many shots because his ego and Kerr's awful man management allowed it. Klay had a 55% TS in the 22 champion for the guy with the second highest FG, that's awful. I don't fully trust JK to shoot today, let alone during his rookie season, where brick city would have laid waste across the Bay. Klay is a horrible passer and playmaker, and JK is below average (and was terrible then also). JK had a horrific series when he finally played vs Memphis in 22 though, just bad decision making, lazy defense, lazy rebounding, etc etc.
