RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Nuggets (Friday 10PM EST Tonight)

[mademan]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

[arkuo]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

The solution now I think would be to insert one of Grimes or Naji in the starting lineup. Then have the other play in the 2nd unit with Dinwiddie, Klay and Lively

[Mavrelous]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

Naji is just a bad fit with Lively/Gafford and PJ...
If anyone to replace Klay it's Grimes, but no one should, Klay's advanced stats are screaming he's playing well and is doing what's needed despite the shooting slump.

Main criticism levied against him by Curry stans was his terrible on/off, and bad defensive rating on the floor, well, he has great on/off and his defensive rating on the main lineup Luka/Klay/Kyrie/PJ/Lively is a whopping 96.8 and Net rating is 25.6.
There is no reason to touch the starting lineup right now, let it work itself out...

[Bob8]

And when the main coach is so bad that you suddenly wish he was replaced by Jason Kidd.

We have a coach?

I know its a past time for some of you to hate on Jason Kidd but in real life he has more basketball knowledge in his pinky then all of us in here.. Have fun guys,

We're talking about Slovenian NT coach.

[Archx]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

[Bob8]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

Luka's main problem is playing off ball, which he isn't comfortable with. % of his assisted shots has doubled and his shooting % plunged in the process. He's pretty solid in other areas, D included.

I see his shooting struggles as a big + for the future. Everything will be a lot easier for the Mavs, when he gets his normal % back, a lot less close games for sure. Mavs have pretty impressive team this year, especially when Exum returns.

[daoneandonly]

Such a solid team effort all around. I feel like I'll be disrespecting someone if I just call out a few by name, almost all of them had a stellar game.

I won't mention our prized FA signing/trade, why bring the mood down, he was awful. If he was truly a team first guy, he'd go to Kidd and say it's OK to bring me off the bench when Luka returns.

[41Dirk41]

Huge W. Very very huge big W. OMG.

PJ, Naji and Lively were fantastic.
We missed Luka a lot when the things went bad (just a Kidd team can blowout a 24points lead in 1/2 quarter, great adjustments at the half time hahahaha) but luckily PJ and Naji stepped up big.
Lively with some great blocks, he fought Jokic very well. Nikola is just the best player in the NBA tight now.

Won at Denver without our superstar and a not great game by Kyrie is damn good, we are deep.
I said it.

Hardy and Kleber are almost useless, Jaden has a very low basketball IQ and Kleber... Well he is just bad.
We need a backup PF badly.

Grimes with a great start and an hustle game.
Gafford played well and mostly made his FTs.
Klay can't make a shoot but he defended well and he can pass the ball, even in those games he is useful.

If Kidd doesn't broke the roster in some way we can make another good PO run.

[arkuo]

When the team is fully healthy, its gonna be difficult to justify continuing to give minutes to Klay over Naji, Grimes and even Hardy. This is why you dont take guys on your team who's rep outpaces their play.

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

My point was it's useless to play Luka off ball as he just stands in the corner on offense and is a traffic cone on defense. Its better to have him engaged with the ball. This however raises his usage rate. So yeah.

The thing with Luka, Kyrie and Klay is they only play one side of the court most of the time. Which is why you have a team that can score 160 but also allows the opposing team to score that as well. I'd like to see if Klay can come off the bench and have Naji Marshall start. Naji + PJW + Lively would be nice defensively.

[41Dirk41]

And when the main coach is so bad that you suddenly wish he was replaced by Jason Kidd.

We have a coach?

I know its a past time for some of you to hate on Jason Kidd but in real life he has more basketball knowledge in his pinky then all of us in here.. Have fun guys,

He was a hell of a player with a huge basketball IQ, that's sure. One of the greatest PG who ever played this game.

But he is still an above average coach at best, he is just a player coach.
Having been a great player does not guarantee you will be a good coach. Unfortunately for us.
I hope he can win a ring despite him.

[Bob8]

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

My point was it's useless to play Luka off ball as he just stands in the corner on offense and is a traffic cone on defense. Its better to have him engaged with the ball. This however raises his usage rate. So yeah.

The thing with Luka, Kyrie and Klay is they only play one side of the court most of the time. Which is why you have a team that can score 160 but also allows the opposing team to score that as well. I'd like to see if Klay can come off the bench and have Naji Marshall start. Naji + PJW + Lively would be nice defensively.

Are you sure?

Defensive rtg with Luka on court 107.4, with him off 110.2. Mavs worse by 2.8 points, when Luka is not playing.

Mavs are 7th best team in D, so D is hardly the problem.

Naji fits much better, when 1 off Luka Kyrie is off, because he likes the ball too and couldn't shoot for 3 until he made that buzzer beater yesterday.

[Mavrelous]

Unless some major blow outs occur, because of the Mavs 41 points win against the poor Pels, beating Memphis on December 3rd guarantees a spot in the the NBA cup quarter finals.

[Archx]

I think the idea of klay getting there in the starting lineup is to get quick points on the board without Luka dribbling for 21 seconds like before. However Luka and Klay both run in a pace like they're 58 years old. And when Klay's shots arent falling, then it's as useless as Luka playing off ball and just standing in a corner while Kyrie goes 1 on 1.

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

My point was it's useless to play Luka off ball as he just stands in the corner on offense and is a traffic cone on defense. Its better to have him engaged with the ball. This however raises his usage rate. So yeah.

The thing with Luka, Kyrie and Klay is they only play one side of the court most of the time. Which is why you have a team that can score 160 but also allows the opposing team to score that as well. I'd like to see if Klay can come off the bench and have Naji Marshall start. Naji + PJW + Lively would be nice defensively.

Bob pretty much summed it up about defense and Mavrelous in previous post also told you that starting lineup has a Net rating of 25.6. To put it simply, that's an incredible number which again proves that you're wrong. Doncic's "solo" On/Off numbers also prove that.

Also, Luka having a high USG% (historically) has proven to actually be a good thing, the only problem was his health. But again, i'm not sure what exactly were you implying here. Because USG% is not directly related to "20 seconds of dribble" like you were talking about in your initial post. Those are different things that have their own calculations.

Believe it or not, Mavs problems so far have actually been on offense. They were bottom 10 team in 3pt% up to the Pelicans game, haven't checked after though. Their defense has been steadily good for the season.

[arkuo]

Does anyone of you check stats before say things like this? I mean i get it, it's fashionable to hate on Luka this season (for some dumb reason) but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Because not even eye test would would exactly agree with you.

Luka plays with a faster pace this season than Kyrie and in 2 games with Luka out so far, Mavs played on average slower than what the median is for Luka.

He's also making 49.5 passes per game for Mavs (at 58.7 AST% rate), next guy is Kyrie at only 42.1 (56.8 AST% rate). If anything, ball is actually moving a lot with Doncic who also has career low USG% (aside from rookie season). Assists from Luka lead to 47% shooting to the other guy, Kyrie for example only 41.6%. So the quality of passes are also much better. And when he is on the floor, Mavs make of average 1.7 passes more than the next guy aswell and also draw 7% more fouls as a team.

So, yeah...

My point was it's useless to play Luka off ball as he just stands in the corner on offense and is a traffic cone on defense. Its better to have him engaged with the ball. This however raises his usage rate. So yeah.

The thing with Luka, Kyrie and Klay is they only play one side of the court most of the time. Which is why you have a team that can score 160 but also allows the opposing team to score that as well. I'd like to see if Klay can come off the bench and have Naji Marshall start. Naji + PJW + Lively would be nice defensively.

Bob pretty much summed it up about defense and Mavrelous in previous post also told you that starting lineup has a Net rating of 25.6. To put it simply, that's an incredible number which again proves that you're wrong. Doncic's "solo" On/Off numbers also prove that.

Also, Luka having a high USG% (historically) has proven to actually be a good thing, the only problem was his health. But again, i'm not sure what exactly were you implying here. Because USG% is not directly related to "20 seconds of dribble" like you were talking about in your initial post. Those are different things that have their own calculations.

Believe it or not, Mavs problems so far have actually been on offense. They were bottom 10 team in 3pt% up to the Pelicans game, haven't checked after though. Their defense has been steadily good for the season.

It's the same defense that allowed Boston to win 4-1. 4-0 if they werent being nice IMO. Sure they can prop up the numbers against bad teams in the regular season, get a youtube highlight for no look passes here and there. But they need to win when it counts. Cant have Luka and his bleeding knee with like 65 games to go.

[Bob8]

My point was it's useless to play Luka off ball as he just stands in the corner on offense and is a traffic cone on defense. Its better to have him engaged with the ball. This however raises his usage rate. So yeah.

The thing with Luka, Kyrie and Klay is they only play one side of the court most of the time. Which is why you have a team that can score 160 but also allows the opposing team to score that as well. I'd like to see if Klay can come off the bench and have Naji Marshall start. Naji + PJW + Lively would be nice defensively.

Bob pretty much summed it up about defense and Mavrelous in previous post also told you that starting lineup has a Net rating of 25.6. To put it simply, that's an incredible number which again proves that you're wrong. Doncic's "solo" On/Off numbers also prove that.

Also, Luka having a high USG% (historically) has proven to actually be a good thing, the only problem was his health. But again, i'm not sure what exactly were you implying here. Because USG% is not directly related to "20 seconds of dribble" like you were talking about in your initial post. Those are different things that have their own calculations.

Believe it or not, Mavs problems so far have actually been on offense. They were bottom 10 team in 3pt% up to the Pelicans game, haven't checked after though. Their defense has been steadily good for the season.

It's the same defense that allowed Boston to win 4-1. 4-0 if they werent being nice IMO. Sure they can prop up the numbers against bad teams in the regular season, get a youtube highlight for no look passes here and there. But they need to win when it counts. Cant have Luka and his bleeding knee with like 65 games to go.

Boston had pretty bad offensive rtg in Finals, unfortunately Mavs had even worse. Mavs were another decent shooter and Kyrie Boston Garden curse away from winning the title. Mavs problem in Finals was offense not D. Klay was brought exactly for that reason.

I know that you hate stats and facts, but anyway,

Boston offensive rtg in Finals was 109.2. Which is pretty pedestrian for them. They had offensive rtg of 116.8 in playoffs. 121 in EFC. Unfortunately Mavs have fallen from 118.3 in WCF to 106.2 in Finals. You can't win anything with offense like that.

Now you can't continue with fairytelling.

[arkuo]

Bob pretty much summed it up about defense and Mavrelous in previous post also told you that starting lineup has a Net rating of 25.6. To put it simply, that's an incredible number which again proves that you're wrong. Doncic's "solo" On/Off numbers also prove that.

Also, Luka having a high USG% (historically) has proven to actually be a good thing, the only problem was his health. But again, i'm not sure what exactly were you implying here. Because USG% is not directly related to "20 seconds of dribble" like you were talking about in your initial post. Those are different things that have their own calculations.

Believe it or not, Mavs problems so far have actually been on offense. They were bottom 10 team in 3pt% up to the Pelicans game, haven't checked after though. Their defense has been steadily good for the season.

It's the same defense that allowed Boston to win 4-1. 4-0 if they werent being nice IMO. Sure they can prop up the numbers against bad teams in the regular season, get a youtube highlight for no look passes here and there. But they need to win when it counts. Cant have Luka and his bleeding knee with like 65 games to go.

Boston had pretty bad offensive rtg in Finals, unfortunately Mavs had even worse. Mavs were another decent shooter and Kyrie Boston Garden curse away from winning the title. Mavs problem in Finals was offense not D. Klay was brought exactly for that reason.

I know that you hate stats and facts, but anyway,

Boston offensive rtg in Finals was 109.2. Which is pretty pedestrian for them. They had offensive rtg of 116.8 in playoffs. 121 in EFC. Unfortunately Mavs have fallen from 118.3 in WCF to 106.2 in Finals. You can't win anything with offense like that.

Now you can't continue with fairytelling.

That's fine. We have the same goal at the end of the day. We just see things differently.

[Bob8]

It's the same defense that allowed Boston to win 4-1. 4-0 if they werent being nice IMO. Sure they can prop up the numbers against bad teams in the regular season, get a youtube highlight for no look passes here and there. But they need to win when it counts. Cant have Luka and his bleeding knee with like 65 games to go.

Boston had pretty bad offensive rtg in Finals, unfortunately Mavs had even worse. Mavs were another decent shooter and Kyrie Boston Garden curse away from winning the title. Mavs problem in Finals was offense not D. Klay was brought exactly for that reason.

I know that you hate stats and facts, but anyway,

Boston offensive rtg in Finals was 109.2. Which is pretty pedestrian for them. They had offensive rtg of 116.8 in playoffs. 121 in EFC. Unfortunately Mavs have fallen from 118.3 in WCF to 106.2 in Finals. You can't win anything with offense like that.

Now you can't continue with fairytelling.

That's fine. We have the same goal at the end of the day. We just see things differently.

That's why advanced stats and analytics are being used to see things more clearly. It's the fact that Mavs have lost Finals in offense. Mavs came to the same conclusion, that's why they have brought Klay and 2 more offensive oriented 3&D players. And that's why Mavs fans should pray that Klay experiment works, he's pretty crucial for Mavs chances of winning.

[Mavrelous]

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[GermanFan120]

Let's see who is here defending Klay being a way better player than THJ? I mean THJ is bad, but is he that bad?

I have no problem with Klay, I'd give him as much time as he wants, especially when Grimes and Naji are playing like this.

Will Grimes and Naji improve on their own if they have some of Klay's playing minutes?

[Archx]

Let's see who is here defending Klay being a way better player than THJ? I mean THJ is bad, but is he that bad?

I have no problem with Klay, I'd give him as much time as he wants, especially when Grimes and Naji are playing like this.

Will Grimes and Naji improve on their own if they have some of Klay's playing minutes?

If you haven't noticed, Klay's minutes have steadily gone down in the last 5 games.