G15: Sixers v Nets 11/22 7:00pm ET

[Iscull]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

I agree on most of what you said, specially regarding Caleb Martin.

I think Gordon is definitely playable. It’s just tough for him to find his rhythm given our team’s chemistry and his sporadic playing time. His on/off NetRtg is one of the highest on the team, which shows he has a positive impact on our spacing and gravity. Plus, he’s solid on defense.

Drummond, on the other hand, is offensively as bad as Ben Simmons, in my opinion. It feels like we’re playing 4v5 when he’s on the court, especially if we have 1-2 poor shooters alongside him. On top of that, there’s still some confusion among the guys, with players struggling to adjust to each other and Nick Nurse’s system.

I agree Drummond has been bad, but part of that is because of the rotation and us asking too much. I didn't watch every second, but it seems like having him come off the bench last night made a difference.

If he's playing more than 20 mpg, we're screwed. If you can keep it around under and have him matchup against the backups on the other team, it can work. It also doesn't help us if we have a bunch of guys playing with him who can't stretch the floor.

[mjkvol]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

Jackson seems to be the only somewhat serviceable guard of the vet options. I like Lowry as a short minutes guy off the bench, but Nurse needs to fall out of love with having him on the court for 25-30 minutes. I know we always joke about players forgetting how to shoot here, but for an all-time gunner like Gordon it is just bizarre. If he's not hitting 3's there is no reason for him to ever leave the bench. With McCain's emergence, there's zero reason to even have Dowtin on the roster.

Completely agree on Martin. We got a brief glimpse of his true value in the couple of Embiid games as a dribble-drive facilitator, defensive stopper and all around menace. Yabu needs to see the court more at the 4 and small ball 5, and Oubre really does appear to be the odd man out if George comes back and is healthy.

[Iscull]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

Jackson seems to be the only somewhat serviceable guard of the vet options. I like Lowry as a short minutes guy off the bench, but Nurse needs to fall out of love with having him on the court for 25-30 minutes. I know we always joke about players forgetting how to shoot here, but for an all-time gunner like Gordon it is just bizarre. If he's not hitting 3's there is no reason for him to ever leave the bench.

Completely agree on Martin. We got a brief glimpse of his true value in the couple of Embiid games as a dribble-drive facilitator, defensive stopper and all around menace. Yabu needs to see the court more at the 4 and small ball 5, and Oubre really does appear to be the odd man out if George comes back and is healthy.

Yeah I'd prefer Jackson over Gordon at this point. Gordon's shooting 24% from 3 and 32% overall. It's bad.

Reggie is 40% from 3 and 36% overall.

[mjkvol]

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

Jackson seems to be the only somewhat serviceable guard of the vet options. I like Lowry as a short minutes guy off the bench, but Nurse needs to fall out of love with having him on the court for 25-30 minutes. I know we always joke about players forgetting how to shoot here, but for an all-time gunner like Gordon it is just bizarre. If he's not hitting 3's there is no reason for him to ever leave the bench.

Completely agree on Martin. We got a brief glimpse of his true value in the couple of Embiid games as a dribble-drive facilitator, defensive stopper and all around menace. Yabu needs to see the court more at the 4 and small ball 5, and Oubre really does appear to be the odd man out if George comes back and is healthy.

Yeah I'd prefer Jackson over Gordon at this point. Gordon's shooting 24% from 3 and 32% overall. It's bad.

Reggie is 40% from 3 and 36% overall.

Plus Reggie can actually run an offense. If he isn't shooting, Gordon has zero value.

[Arsenal]

Gordon's shooting has been turrible but his defense has been better than expected. With enough pieces around him so he can get open looks he should hopefully be serviceable.

Agreed that Jackson is the best backup for the M&M backcourt currently. He looks to have more juice than Lowry who has been atrocious.

For now the guard backups should be Jackson and Gordon. Keep Lowry and Dowtin chained to the bench.

[HotelVitale]

I really don't know what to do about it, but it seems like the biggest overall issue with us is that we're absoutely miserable creating offense when it's not a relatively hot Maxey or McCain initiating. We're used to Embiid being our key initiator, and PG was supposed to be a 2nd/3rd complementary creator, but without either of them we're not just ho-hum but flat-out horrible.

We've seen teams recently like MEM or MIA run perfectly okay if meh offense with no stars on the floor (when e.g. Bane or Herro were sitting), and it doesn't seem like our personnel is that pathetic. But we just seem to be keystone kops-level unless we've got McCain or Maxey hitting super tough shots. It's also not like we're doing something weird or different than other teams, we're just executing the usual NBA stuff poorly and not shooting well.

[FireMorey]

It's looking like the only good thing Morey did during the summer was the McCain pick. Everything else he did has been a total disaster.

[Iscull]

It's looking like the only good thing Morey did during the summer was the McCain pick. Everything else he did has been a total disaster.

Yabu was an excellent pickup

[Eyeamok]

What a completely f***ked up situation that only the Sixers could have created. We hit on another mid-1st pick and have what appears to be an electric backcourt for the short and long term, but made the idiotic max signing of George, which is not second guessing as I was adamantly against it the entire time for this very reason.

But to follow that up by extending a player who the organization had to know was not 100% healthy - after allowing him to play in the Olympics right after surgery! So now, about, what ... $90 million? ... in salary is annually tied up to a '3rd star' who appears to have hit the wall (big shock at age 34) and a superstar who might never be completely healthy. And both are known for their post season failures.

And on top of that, why not throw in some locker room turmoil to add a little spice to the situation? If you made a movie about this organization beginning with The Process, anyone who didn't live through it here wouldn't believe that it wasn't a fictional story.

But yet here we are, in a clusterf***k that there is no exit from other than to try to give away two 'stars' we would have to pay to part ways with after the season, if it could even be done at this point.

Man just wait until we are the 2nd worse team in the lottery and we fall to #7 and OKC get's our pick. Good freaking times are just around the corner.

[NearingZero]

Gordon's shooting has been turrible but his defense has been better than expected. With enough pieces around him so he can get open looks he should hopefully be serviceable.

Agreed that Jackson is the best backup for the M&M backcourt currently. He looks to have more juice than Lowry who has been atrocious.

For now the guard backups should be Jackson and Gordon. Keep Lowry and Dowtin chained to the bench.

Gordon has been getting very good looks and just not hitting. If that continues, he'll be unplayable IMO. I did look at his game logs for last year, and he had a few similarly bad streaks. So he may be able to turn it around and contribute.

[M2J]

It's looking like the only good thing Morey did during the summer was the McCain pick. Everything else he did has been a total disaster.

Yabu was an excellent pickup

I rather enjoyed the Tyrese Maxey "For the franchise" presentation. Very classy Daryl

[DCasey91]

Double O is always the answer here always.

Add Eason if we are not going full tank. If we are going to spend assets I'd rather go the youth route and both scream upside with more playing time, solves the 4/5 problem

Here's my observations so far:

Outbre: Nope no, heck no. 6th man chucker only. He ain't a starting wing anyway

Embiid and George - Let the two doo doo heads go to Siberia. Don't come back until you both have beards that end up at your nipples and have a look of nohing but death and destruction. Embrace the darkside

MCCain - Lord and Savior that is all.

Martin - Solid. Wasn't expecting full Glen Rice flamethrower but solid glue guy. Keep every team needs this sort of player.

Maxey - Give till Christmas hell be back playing great in due time.

Reggie - He can play but we got another w*nker on the team. Not Milton I'm Embiid's emo cousin just he seems to not like McCain. Whatever dude don't let the door hit you on the way out

Gordon - GOATED TANK COMMANDER that's if it happens. If not f that cya bye bye

Yabu - Fun guy. You play

Drummond - No thanks, that's Double O's spot

Lowry - We thick. Keep the thick and teach the ways of the dark arts to Maxey and MCCain

Pretty Ricky - Got to see what we have with him

I'm on the fence between going full tank or using what we have to get those two (OO + Eason). To me those two are worth what we have to play with and then some imo

Yes the dream is Flagg but ill be over the moon if we get them. I'm talking moving all that is asked to get it done I'm dead serious on this.

[Stanford]

Pretty sure Eason will cost 3 firsts at this point.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think we need to see if Council has improved. I think Caleb Martin is a solid addition, and I think KJ Martin needs to see the floor. We have athletes that need to see the floor. I think this PG/Embiid injured **** is going to linger all year. This is McCain and Maxey from here on out. Put some decent defenders around them, some high energy guys, and a decent rebounder and let's see what they can do. It's not ideal, but neither George or Embiid can be trusted. I want to see a rotation of Maxey, McCain, Martin, Council, Oubre, Yabu, Jackson, KJ, Drummond. I think Nurse needs some consistency in his rotations so that guys can get familiar with each other.

[Black Mage]

I wonder what the Heat would want for Kevin Love.

[mjkvol]

I wonder what the Heat would want for Kevin Love.

At this point, I'm not giving up a single pick for anything other than more or better picks. I'm not adding any players to this team that cost more than players on the roster now. Enough of killing any future here, especially now that we have a real backcourt already in place.

I'm not counting on it, but I'm hoping the Sixers will be major deadline sellers.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I wonder what the Heat would want for Kevin Love.

At this point, I'm not giving up a single pick for anything other than more or better picks. I'm not adding any players to this team that cost more than players on the roster now. Enough of killing any future here, especially now that we have a real backcourt already in place.

I'm not counting on it, but I'm hoping the Sixers will be major deadline sellers.

Can we sell Paul George too?

[mjkvol]

I wonder what the Heat would want for Kevin Love.

At this point, I'm not giving up a single pick for anything other than more or better picks. I'm not adding any players to this team that cost more than players on the roster now. Enough of killing any future here, especially now that we have a real backcourt already in place.

I'm not counting on it, but I'm hoping the Sixers will be major deadline sellers.

Can we sell Paul George too?

I'm ready to give him away in keeping with the holiday spirit.

[Black Mage]

I wonder what the Heat would want for Kevin Love.

At this point, I'm not giving up a single pick for anything other than more or better picks. I'm not adding any players to this team that cost more than players on the roster now. Enough of killing any future here, especially now that we have a real backcourt already in place.

I'm not counting on it, but I'm hoping the Sixers will be major deadline sellers.

But Love is only making 3.8 this year and 4 next year. Might cost just a "fake 1st.