POY in 1990… could be Patrick Ewing?

Lebronnygoat · Post #1 » by **Lebronnygoat** » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:34 pm

Watching Ewing games, and I saw his good passing ability and post gravity that was possibly bar none in 1990 (Hakeem). So I decided to track 3 games (2 in 1990), and here’s a game I’ve been most impressed with (only through the 1st half).

Patrick Ewing’s Creation Tally in the 1st Half
1990, Knicks vs Celtics, Game 5
https://youtu.be/WQOgccCE3PE?si=YpwyLOAMFAMv2QH-
5:40 (creates 4 on 3 ie open man in the right corner)
7:50 (screen cuts off but he draws extra defender and darts it over for an open shot)
9:50 (hockey creation)
10:40 (draws extra defender, open mid range)
11:15 (draws shooter’s man leaving in uncontested mid range)
15:35 (very low quality)
27:55 (draws extra defender and makes cross court pass for an open mid range)
34:40
35:15
37:25
48:40
52:25
59:10
59:40

2nd Quarter seems to be more impressive on a per possession basis of creation.
Honestly, if Ewing was this level of playmaker, or a little worse over the course of the season, I’d say he’s the best player for the year, considering his performance vs Detroit was better than Jordan vs Detroit, and his Boston series was better than Jordan’s philly series and Magic’s suns series

Total:
14 Creations, and since I’m making this in a rush, he also created multiple interior shots directly from this gravity. The first game I watched vs Detroit he had created 8 times, but also scored 45 points, so if you take away his unusual high volume of shots, his creation should be in middle 10’s… which is insane

One_and_Done · Post #2 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:35 pm

Wouldn't even be top 5 for me.

Lebronnygoat · Post #3 » by **Lebronnygoat** » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:44 pm

One_and_Done wrote:Wouldn't even be top 5 for me.

All Time Great Defense + Elite Creator + Good Passing + Elite Scoring. Outplayed Jordan vs the same competition, had the best playoff series that year against great personal. He also averaged 29/11 on 5 stocks with 60% true shooting. How is that not top 5?

Lebronnygoat · Post #4 » by **Lebronnygoat** » Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:50 am

Finished with 20 creations
1:04:10
1:07:10
1:23:20
1:27:00
1:37:50
1:53:50
1:55:50

One_and_Done · Post #5 » by **One_and_Done** » Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:00 am

Lebronnygoat wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Wouldn't even be top 5 for me.

All Time Great Defense + Elite Creator + Good Passing + Elite Scoring. Outplayed Jordan vs the same competition, had the best playoff series that year against great personal. He also averaged 29/11 on 5 stocks with 60% true shooting. How is that not top 5?

I don't agree with much of that though. I don't think he had all-time D or was an elite creator, or that he was an elite scorer.

Lebronnygoat · Post #6 » by **Lebronnygoat** » Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:59 am

Ewing is an ATG defender and peaked in ~90 as one. If my creation tally is consistent throughout his season, he’s an elite creator and elite off ball big man. He averages 29 on 60% true shooting for the regular season and averaged 29.4 in the playoffs on 58% (same rTS adjusted).

Djoker · Post #7 » by **Djoker** » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:56 am

Lebronnygoat wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Wouldn't even be top 5 for me.

All Time Great Defense + Elite Creator + Good Passing + Elite Scoring. Outplayed Jordan vs the same competition, had the best playoff series that year against great personal. He also averaged 29/11 on 5 stocks with 60% true shooting. How is that not top 5?

He's a very good defender but not an all-time great like say Hakeem.

He's also an average passer and creator for a big.

Scoring is good but nowhere near someone like Jordan. And no he didn't play better against the Pistons than Jordan did. In fact, MJ was significantly better.

I see Ewing as #3 or #4 for that season. I think him vs. Barkley is very close and can go either way. At the end I chose Ewing > Barkley but he isn't touching MJ or Magic for that matter.

ShaqAttac · Post #8 » by **ShaqAttac** » Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:36 am

how he only got 2 assists if he's playmaking so much?

ShaqAttac · Post #9 » by **ShaqAttac** » Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:42 am

Djoker wrote:
Lebronnygoat wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Wouldn't even be top 5 for me.

All Time Great Defense + Elite Creator + Good Passing + Elite Scoring. Outplayed Jordan vs the same competition, had the best playoff series that year against great personal. He also averaged 29/11 on 5 stocks with 60% true shooting. How is that not top 5?

He's a very good defender but not an all-time great like say Hakeem.

He's also an average passer and creator for a big.

Scoring is good but nowhere near someone like Jordan. And no he didn't play better against the Pistons than Jordan did. In fact, MJ was significantly better.

I see Ewing as #3 or #4 for that season. I think him vs. Barkley is very close and can go either way. At the end I chose Ewing > Barkley but he isn't touching MJ or Magic for that matter.

bro just showed he ain't average. how you just gonna go nuh-uh