Is that all she wrote for Embiid's legacy?

[doogie_hauser]

I do wonder if Embiid and his manager actually lied/misled the Sixers about the condition of his knees before he signed that Max extension ? If so, that may well give the Sixers grounds to tear up/renegotiate that contract.

Things are just going to get worse/more grim for Sixers fans from here

[Mr Peanut]

Man, it feels like this is the end for Embiid...

Only positive thing I can think to say about Embiid is, he's one of the greatest pure scorers in NBA history. That's about it.

Agreed?

The other thing that sticks out from this graphic is that Luka and Trae were drafted four years after Embiid and have played almost as many games as him.

Giannis was drafted a year before and has played 371 games more than him.

[AleksandarN]

Best player in the nba from 2020-2023. He was robbed of two mvps one from the media and the other his body giving out on him. Ppl forget he missed two seasons to start his career he could have easily turned into greg oden 2.0

[AleksandarN]

I do wonder if Embiid and his manager actually lied/misled the Sixers about the condition of his knees before he signed that Max extension ? If so, that may well give the Sixers grounds to tear up/renegotiate that contract.

Things are just going to get worse/more grim for Sixers fans from here

I think every person who signs a contract has to go through a physical for insurance policies if nothing else.

[Time for Change]

Man, it feels like this is the end for Embiid...

Only positive thing I can think to say about Embiid is, he's one of the greatest pure scorers in NBA history. That's about it.

Agreed?

The other thing that sticks out from this graphic is that Luka and Trae were drafted four years after Embiid and have played almost as many games as him.

Giannis was drafted a year before and has played 371 games more than him.

437 games is less than 5 and a half seasons worth of games. He’s barely played.

[theFireBlanket]

Giannis owns Jojo head to head. He defends him well. Would hate dealing with that whistle in a PO series,

[Fencer reregistered]

at this point there is nothing to do for his legacy than to get a ring

he has won everything else but with big question marks about his playoffs

this is his last hurrah. he can either get a ring, cement his legacy, and have people think of what might have been as a healthy embiid,,,,,or NOT get a ring and have people know that this is what he's always been.

winning a ring erases ALL the negs - so yeah..th th th the that's all she wrote

Even making the ECF would be an improvement.

yes it would but an ecf or wcf is a walt bellamy level legacy. great player,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who no one ever talks about
i think that is a precipice embiid is facing like 20yrs from now

Fair enough.

But a guy can top out as a Finals loser and be regarded as great -- e.g. Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Payton ...

[Sweet Serenity]

Best player in the nba from 2020-2023. He was robbed of two mvps one from the media and the other his body giving out on him. Ppl forget he missed two seasons to start his career he could have easily turned into greg oden 2.0

Change your name to ‘Shameless’.

[Sweet Serenity]

Best player in the nba from 2020-2023. He was robbed of two mvps one from the media and the other his body giving out on him. Ppl forget he missed two seasons to start his career he could have easily turned into greg oden 2.0

It’s pathetic the lengths this clown will go to. Spewing a whole lot of garbage while ironically keeping the ‘Chokic’ nickname even after Jokic won the championship.

It’s alright for us though because he has to live with knowing all his boy will be remembered for is a soft, choking, foul merchant that did nothing but underachieve.

[Lalouie]

Even making the ECF would be an improvement.

yes it would but an ecf or wcf is a walt bellamy level legacy. great player,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who no one ever talks about
i think that is a precipice embiid is facing like 20yrs from now

Fair enough.

But a guy can top out as a Finals loser and be regarded as great -- e.g. Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Payton ...

but he keeps getting injured. embiid has no such conversation. he never faced anyone in a post season that starts any kind of convo

plus are Stockton/Malone/Barkley/Ewing/Payton all part of a conversation of wouldacoulda's tied to mj"?
that's because they got far enough

[NBA_is_cringe]

his legacy is the video of him shoving his fingers up his ass and smelling them while shooting freethrows

[Fencer reregistered]

yes it would but an ecf or wcf is a walt bellamy level legacy. great player,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who no one ever talks about
i think that is a precipice embiid is facing like 20yrs from now

Fair enough.

But a guy can top out as a Finals loser and be regarded as great -- e.g. Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Payton ...

but he keeps getting injured. embiid has no such conversation. he never faced anyone in a post season that starts any kind of convo

plus are Stockton/Malone/Barkley/Ewing/Payton all part of a conversation of wouldacoulda's tied to mj"?
that's because they got far enough

Fair point. All my examples were from the Russell or Jordan eras.

Nash and Iverson are also seen as unquestionably great, but that's in significant part for being influential innovators. Their reputation as actual winning basketball players is much more debatable. Harden is on a similar track.

[Nazrmohamed]

Man, it feels like this is the end for Embiid. Dude looks checked out, mentally and physically, after getting his Olympic Gold and that fake MVP. Even the Embiid stans who used to defend him to death here are nowhere to be found. Kinda wild how quick the tide has turned.

So, what are we really gonna remember Embiid for?

• Shameless media campaign for that MVP. Man was almost crying on national TV about him not getting what he "deserved"
• Stat-padding against bad teams, but being a regular no-show in the playoffs due to injuries
• Despite these injuries going for Olympic Gold. Biggest FU to the 76ers franchise
• Egregious Flopping – he really took it to heights (or lows) never seen before in the NBA
• Bullying and acting tough against other NBA players, such as KAT and Allen
• Pouting and acting immature when things didn’t go his way.

Honestly, it sucks though we never got to see him fully healthy in a playoff series, especially against Giannis or Jokic. Could have been historical match-ups. Instead, he’ll probably go down as another “what if” story in NBA history. At one point, he was on track to be a top-3 big of his era, but now it’s more like a case of wasted potential.

You forgot dirty player. The worst thing you can do as a player or even fan is root for someone to be injured. It's thier livelihood. Well put it this way, I'm indifferent at best. So many dirty plays, putting people's health at risk. And calculated at it too. Dudes a real azzhole.

[stormi]

What is Embiids legacy? He was a filler MVP in between Jokic. He hasn’t done anything else

This is likely how he'll be remembered

As a handout MVP due to his perception and rather conveniently forgetting that he was leading strawpolls in the year prior to his MVP and the year post his MVP when he was averaging like 35 while only playing three quarters before his meniscus gave out

Joel Embiid is a what 2x or 3x MVP runner-up? And the year he won it it was by averaging 33/10/4 on 50+% percent shooting, the only season to hold that shooting over 50% since Michael Jordan, while being an A level rim protector.

He was generally the only player that was going H2H with Jokic in the regular season and it'll be lost to the balance of time.

[stormi]

Best player in the nba from 2020-2023. He was robbed of two mvps one from the media and the other his body giving out on him. Ppl forget he missed two seasons to start his career he could have easily turned into greg oden 2.0

It's true.

You could argue that after Jokic's first MVP (in which Joel was the runner up) that Joel was the flat-out superior performer the last three seasons.

The 2022 MVP was the only 'pity' MVP, in which Joel's 30/10 season was overlooked for Jokic carrying Barton and Monte Morris to a six seed with inferior numbers.

2023 was pretty infallible that Joel should have won:

33.1 pts, 10.2 reb, 4.2 ast on 65.5 TS% -- the best scoring season at that efficiency since Steph 2016 (30.1 on 66.9 TS%)

- Three 50 point games in a single season -- most at his position since Kareem

- Most PPG on 50% shooting since MJ

- Had 59/11/8 with a steal and 7 blocks, which at the time a top 10 regular season game score performance ever.

- 47/18/5 with 3 steals and 2 blocks on national television against Denver.

- 52/11/6 on 20/25 shooting against Boston.

- Ridiculous clutch time performances including 6 game winners or go ahead shots late in 4th quarters + multiple game saving blocks.

All while anchoring a top 10 defense on a team that started Maxey and Harden all season whilst being 90th+ percentile in all rim deterrent metrics.

And then last season where Joel was drawing up a season for the record books more points than minutes played, dropped 50 on the DPOY and 70 on the DPOY runner up and had another six forty point games before Kuminga landed on his knee.

Read on Twitter

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/39154933/nba-mvp-straw-poll-100-league-insiders-where-embiid-giannis-jokic-lebron-race

Joel Embiid had a substantial lead in the most recent straw poll and it was firmly looking like it was going to be his award once again, the statistics were fantastic, the Sixers were on 65 win pace, the narrative was that he'd even elevated from his MVP season and was laying the foundations of a record breaking season.

If we're being completely honest it should be two MVPs apiece for the dominant centers of this generation at the very least - and that's flattering to Jokic.

[robbie84]

Man, it feels like this is the end for Embiid...

Only positive thing I can think to say about Embiid is, he's one of the greatest pure scorers in NBA history. That's about it.

Agreed?

No, he's a flopping, foul baiting man child.
The dude's foul baiting is the greatest of all time and without it he'd be no where.

[BruttoNostra]

Don't get what people's obsession is with Embiid lately. He's a really talented and interesting player who also has some flaws on court and is also generally pretty immature as a personality. We've all known that for, what, 4 years now? There's no new update since people said that last year or last week or whatever.

He's nursing an injury now and trying for the first time ever not to play through things just cuz. He might not come back from it, sure, but it seems much more likely he will be back for at least another couple runs. Who knows if he'll be his old self again but it's very unlikely his career is over so we really don't need to have some kind of career retrospective during game 17 of his age-30 season.

The update is the 76ers are 3-12, Embiid shoved a reporter, and Maxey called him out in a team meeting for being late to things. This season isn’t like the previous 4 years.

Embiid's barely played this year and neither of the other 'new updates' are new or worth remembering. You guys have to know this is just a retread of the lame sports talk 'I like winners with good attitudes, let's bond over repeating that and saying why X or Y guy isn't like that.'

Whatever happens Embiid's legacy will be determined by what happens by his injuries and on the court. He comes back healthy and good and all this is forgotten, he doesn't over the next couple years and this becomes one forgotten and irrelevant month in a longer story of decline with much bigger benchmarks. We've had nothing new to work with about his 'legacy' since the Knicks series and Olympics.

Dude, you're one of the most respectful Sixers fans here and I respect your opinion as a true fan who isn't just a superstar stan.
And yet, that last part - some of what we "experience" today with Embiid is related to the Olympics, where he went "ring-chasing" while eligibly being injured (or at least it's what his stans try to convince us saying he never really recovered from last season's injury).
So first, those Olympics are part of KD, Lebron and Curry's legacy - all the rest were bus riders, not drivers. Maybe Booker and Jrue can be credited with their great role player contribution, but that's it.
Second, participating in those Olympics obviously plays part in Embiid not being recovered from his injuries.
Third, injuries aside, apparently he arrived in the training camp being not in shape - you can be injured, but in shape (not game shape, ofc, but you got me). Luka arrives not in shape year in and year out and is rightfully (saying this as Luka fan) shamed for that - no reason for Embiid not to be called out here as well.
And for last, the recent locker room issues isn't something you see from majority of superstars in the league, and with Embiid's history it's not something you can say is a one-time issue or some media over-exaggeration/over-reaction.

[meatball sub]

embiid doesn't have the personality to accept being a second fiddle star. if anyone expects his injury concerns to somehow magically improve when he's turning 31 soon and continues to never be in shape, they're sorely mistaken.

[Tripod]

The best team he has beaten in the playoffs was the #5 seed Raptors that had rookie Barnes on it.

And in that series, FVV missed time as did GTJ and Barnes. Barnes missed games because Embiid injured him.

Sums up his greatest playoff success.

[Crunch 99]

The so called regular season scoring champion, rebound champion, ast champion, block champion etcetera should be based on total points, rebs, ast, and blocks etecetera rather than a per game basis imo. On this basis, the only thing Embiid has been number one at is free throw attempts and makes in the 21-22 season. He made it to number two for total points behind Jayson Tatum his MVP season.