OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[TerrenceClarke]

Also start fresh. I would give Ben Johnson whatever he wanted to be the HC for our rookie QB. And let him also get a young talent evaluator as a GM.

Why? How many times have the giants picked the hot offensive guy and failed? Like three times in a row almost.Dude has done nothing to deserve “ give him what ever he wanted”

If we have the 2nd pick, who you taking between Sanders and Ward?

Damn….its tough.

I like both man a lot . People be hating on SS but he can ball out. Mentality he gots the goods and his arm is super accurate.

Even tho his father had a bad experience in NY, just like his father he is made for NYC.

Gun to my head SS…I would want the Sanders name in NY. People would hate him from other places and I love it,

[FrozenEnvelope]

I was a little concerned this team would magically play better with DeVito and an extra week to prepare and the Buccs coming off a 4 game losing streak but safe to say this team has checked out and are just going through the motions.

Which is great! It's what is needed. That stadium needs to be empty the next 2 home games and every loss needs to be a blowout with little to no effort. Mara needs to see that Schoen and especially Daboll are not it. We need to hit that reset button as embarrassing as it is and try again with a new regime. You do not want to give Schoen more drafts and Daboll more seasons as a HC. It's suicide. This **** isn't gonna get better. They've had 3 drafts and 3 offseasons to improve the team and this is what they have built. The worst team in the entire league. And don't give me this past draft class as a reason to keep Schoen. I don't see any Hall of Famers.

Poor DeVito. He got killed out there and I'll be surprised it he makes it through the rest of the season. Tracy with another fumble. And I guess I can't blame him but Nabers body language is terrible.

Shane Bowen is the worst DC in NYG history. His players must despise him with the fire of a thousand suns the way they refuse to tackle. Besides Dex, who I feel so badly for, I'd get rid of every single player on that defense. No keepers.

I hope we lose every game by 30. **** Schoen and Daboll!

[Strick]

As much as I wanted Daboll and Schoen to be the solution at HC/GM, I have a hard time justifying them getting a say in the future QB and team going forward. I HATE doing another clean sweep, HC and GM search, etc but idk how they survive this mess.

Just get me a competent HC and GM to go along with Sanders or Ward

[jvsimonetti0514]

Def don’t think daboll makes it out of the season now. Team quit today. Maybe it’s a shock thing from letting jones go but I’m skeptical. The effort and tackling was an absolute mess. Can’t have the team quit on you and keep your job.

I don't think so either...but if he doesn't do you really let Schoen pick his new HC and make the likely QB selection?

Usually GM’s get 2 coaches but I wouldn’t give him the chance. Outside of nailing this past draft, none of his moves have worked out and every position group is as bad, if not worse, than when they got here. Maybe if he fixed one of the lines he’d have something to hang his hat on but it’s really grasping at straws.

I keep trying to talk myself into letting them stay cuz it does feel so quick to cut ties with a GM and I keep thinking of those clips from hard knocks wanting to trade up for Daniels but knowing they had editorial control just lingers in the back of my mind. I used to work as a production assistant on some reality tv shows and one documentary and know how much coaching producers can do to get the answers they need. Hbo probably has more integrity than that but idk how these guys could have nailed the best QB in the draft after missing on every other move. Probably looking for an excuse to keep Schoen cuz I keep expecting Mara to pick someone even worse.

[TerrenceClarke]

Like I said …..being overlooked big time. Leader of Men.

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[mpharris36]

Def don’t think daboll makes it out of the season now. Team quit today. Maybe it’s a shock thing from letting jones go but I’m skeptical. The effort and tackling was an absolute mess. Can’t have the team quit on you and keep your job.

I don't think so either...but if he doesn't do you really let Schoen pick his new HC and make the likely QB selection?

Usually GM’s get 2 coaches but I wouldn’t give him the chance. Outside of nailing this past draft, none of his moves have worked out and every position group is as bad, if not worse, than when they got here. Maybe if he fixed one of the lines he’d have something to hang his hat on but it’s really grasping at straws.

I keep trying to talk myself into letting them stay cuz it does feel so quick to cut ties with a GM and I keep thinking of those clips from hard knocks wanting to trade up for Daniels but knowing they had editorial control just lingers in the back of my mind. I used to work as a production assistant on some reality tv shows and one documentary and know how much coaching producers can do to get the answers they need. Hbo probably has more integrity than that but idk how these guys could have nailed the best QB in the draft after missing on every other move. Probably looking for an excuse to keep Schoen cuz I keep expecting Mara to pick someone even worse.

I get ya but what top tier coaching candidate wants to come aboard with a GM on the hot seat which clearly Schoen is whether he makes it past this year or not.

On top of that his class this year had been good. Nabers certainly is a talent and Nubin/Phillips look like they can be starters in the league. Does that make up for his first two classes being a disaster now? Also Nabers is already a diva. Immensely talented but not like how he's already handily the losing. Its one thing to be a competitor and not be happy about losses...but just like your teammates didn't throw you under the bus for losing the game in Wash when you dropped that pass I expect him to not throw his teammates and coaches under the bus now (especially as a rookie).

But that is the least of our problems I just say that to say this. I wouldn't say he knocked out any class yet and I just don't think we will be in play for the top HC if we don't bring in a GM that aligns closely with that HC.

Daboll/Schoen seem like a package deal for me.

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classic WR1 attitude

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[jvsimonetti0514]

I don't think so either...but if he doesn't do you really let Schoen pick his new HC and make the likely QB selection?

Usually GM’s get 2 coaches but I wouldn’t give him the chance. Outside of nailing this past draft, none of his moves have worked out and every position group is as bad, if not worse, than when they got here. Maybe if he fixed one of the lines he’d have something to hang his hat on but it’s really grasping at straws.

I keep trying to talk myself into letting them stay cuz it does feel so quick to cut ties with a GM and I keep thinking of those clips from hard knocks wanting to trade up for Daniels but knowing they had editorial control just lingers in the back of my mind. I used to work as a production assistant on some reality tv shows and one documentary and know how much coaching producers can do to get the answers they need. Hbo probably has more integrity than that but idk how these guys could have nailed the best QB in the draft after missing on every other move. Probably looking for an excuse to keep Schoen cuz I keep expecting Mara to pick someone even worse.

I get ya but what top tier coaching candidate wants to come aboard with a GM on the hot seat which clearly Schoen is whether he makes it past this year or not.

On top of that his class this year had been good. Nabers certainly is a talent and Nubin/Phillips look like they can be starters in the league. Does that make up for his first two classes being a disaster now? Also Nabers is already a diva. Immensely talented but not like how he's already handily the losing. Its one thing to be a competitor and not be happy about losses...but just like your teammates didn't throw you under the bus for losing the game in Wash when you dropped that pass I expect him to not throw his teammates and coaches under the bus now (especially as a rookie).

But that is the least of our problems I just say that to say this. I wouldn't say he knocked out any class yet and I just don't think we will be in play for the top HC if we don't bring in a GM that aligns closely with that HC.

Daboll/Schoen seem like a package deal for me.

Def don’t wanna stick a new GM with a QB they didn’t draft again either. The clean break makes a lot more sense.

[MrDollarBills]

Saquon is better off in Philly. Those guys know how to block.

[mpharris36]

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this ultimately worries me because I don't trust Mara.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Saquon going off again. Mara has got to be fuming.

[mpharris36]

Saquon going off again. Mara has got to be fuming.

good for moving off schoen/daboll

bad

because I really don't trust Mara to make a good hire. And he was hands off because Hard Knocks clearly stated Mara wanted Barkley back so this probably means Mara gets more hands on...

This screams belichick to me and I wont like it but Mara goes with what he knows and he went outside his comfort zone picking a GM with no Giants ties...my guess with him backed into a corner he goes with the name even though BB is ancient.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Saquon going off again. Mara has got to be fuming.

good for moving off schoen/daboll

bad

because I really don't trust Mara to make a good hire. And he was hands off because Hard Knocks clearly stated Mara wanted Barkley back so this probably means Mara gets more hands on...

This screams belichick to me and I wont like it but Mara goes with what he knows and he went outside his comfort zone picking a GM with no Giants ties...my guess with him backed into a corner he goes with the name even though BB is ancient.

I don't want Belicheck either but seems like there's a lot of rumors for him. Mara is just clueless so we might be screwed for a few more years.Belicheck would be a Phil Jackson type hire. This is eerily similar to Dolan and the Knicks.

[mpharris36]

Saquon going off again. Mara has got to be fuming.

good for moving off schoen/daboll

bad

because I really don't trust Mara to make a good hire. And he was hands off because Hard Knocks clearly stated Mara wanted Barkley back so this probably means Mara gets more hands on...

This screams belichick to me and I wont like it but Mara goes with what he knows and he went outside his comfort zone picking a GM with no Giants ties...my guess with him backed into a corner he goes with the name even though BB is ancient.

I don't want Belicheck either but seems like there's a lot of rumors for him. Mara is just clueless so we might be screwed for a few more years.Belicheck would be a Phil Jackson type hire. This is eerily similar to Dolan and the Knicks.

its getting close to that. Obviously the Giants have had a lot more "somewhat" recent success than the Knicks did so people always use to say the Giants were a well run organization. Its getting bad man.

Daniel Jones was just the tip of the iceberg. Its rotten from the core.

Also I like Cam Ward but I am not sum guy diving into college tap. There have been a lot of rumors also this class is really bad to the point not one of these guys are going to grade out higher than like the top 4-5 QB's in last class. So that isn't good to hear.

They need a QB so bad but the worse thing we could also do is force a QB pick and put them behind a bad team and we will be back here in 3 years or so with the same issues.

[TerrenceClarke]

good for moving off schoen/daboll

bad

because I really don't trust Mara to make a good hire. And he was hands off because Hard Knocks clearly stated Mara wanted Barkley back so this probably means Mara gets more hands on...

This screams belichick to me and I wont like it but Mara goes with what he knows and he went outside his comfort zone picking a GM with no Giants ties...my guess with him backed into a corner he goes with the name even though BB is ancient.

I don't want Belicheck either but seems like there's a lot of rumors for him. Mara is just clueless so we might be screwed for a few more years.Belicheck would be a Phil Jackson type hire. This is eerily similar to Dolan and the Knicks.

its getting close to that. Obviously the Giants have had a lot more "somewhat" recent success than the Knicks did so people always use to say the Giants were a well run organization. Its getting bad man.

Daniel Jones was just the tip of the iceberg. Its rotten from the core.

Also I like Cam Ward but I am not sum guy diving into college tap. There have been a lot of rumors also this class is really bad to the point not one of these guys are going to grade out higher than like the top 4-5 QB's in last class. So that isn't good to hear.

They need a QB so bad but the worse thing we could also do is force a QB pick and put them behind a bad team and we will be back here in 3 years or so with the same issues.

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

[mpharris36]

I don't want Belicheck either but seems like there's a lot of rumors for him. Mara is just clueless so we might be screwed for a few more years.Belicheck would be a Phil Jackson type hire. This is eerily similar to Dolan and the Knicks.

its getting close to that. Obviously the Giants have had a lot more "somewhat" recent success than the Knicks did so people always use to say the Giants were a well run organization. Its getting bad man.

Daniel Jones was just the tip of the iceberg. Its rotten from the core.

Also I like Cam Ward but I am not sum guy diving into college tap. There have been a lot of rumors also this class is really bad to the point not one of these guys are going to grade out higher than like the top 4-5 QB's in last class. So that isn't good to hear.

They need a QB so bad but the worse thing we could also do is force a QB pick and put them behind a bad team and we will be back here in 3 years or so with the same issues.

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Didn’t realize Xavier McKinney has more 6 more picks than the entire giants defense this year. Obviously Saquon gets all the press but Schoen letting Xavier walk out the door is just as damning. Dude might end up being defensive player of the year and we got rid of him for burns. Idk how you make a case to keep your job when you’re letting 2 players could win awards walk out the door for nothing.

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its getting close to that. Obviously the Giants have had a lot more "somewhat" recent success than the Knicks did so people always use to say the Giants were a well run organization. Its getting bad man.

Daniel Jones was just the tip of the iceberg. Its rotten from the core.

Also I like Cam Ward but I am not sum guy diving into college tap. There have been a lot of rumors also this class is really bad to the point not one of these guys are going to grade out higher than like the top 4-5 QB's in last class. So that isn't good to hear.

They need a QB so bad but the worse thing we could also do is force a QB pick and put them behind a bad team and we will be back here in 3 years or so with the same issues.

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

QBs in the draft are really unpredictable and tough to evaluate. There's no way to really simulate NFL speed, size, defense and how a young QB will exactly read and react to it. One one end a miss would be another big set back, on the other end its without question our biggest need. So it is def a tough spot.

If they end up with a top 2 pick I think they pretty much have to take a QB. If they don't pan out then just need to move on and keep trying. I think the key is that if they end up with a top pick in 2026, they cant be scared to take another QB. The position is important enough where you can double down for a potential upgrade. I mean, we have wasted enough first round picks from other positions anyway.

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Didn’t realize Xavier McKinney has more 6 more picks than the entire giants defense this year. Obviously Saquon gets all the press but Schoen letting Xavier walk out the door is just as damning. Dude might end up being defensive player of the year and we got rid of him for burns. Idk how you make a case to keep your job when you’re letting 2 players could win awards walk out the door for nothing.

Yea, a lot of ex-giants are playing well. Its def a really bad look. We have less talent then when they took over. This front office has to go.