OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[TerrenceClarke]

its getting close to that. Obviously the Giants have had a lot more "somewhat" recent success than the Knicks did so people always use to say the Giants were a well run organization. Its getting bad man.

Daniel Jones was just the tip of the iceberg. Its rotten from the core.

Also I like Cam Ward but I am not sum guy diving into college tap. There have been a lot of rumors also this class is really bad to the point not one of these guys are going to grade out higher than like the top 4-5 QB's in last class. So that isn't good to hear.

They need a QB so bad but the worse thing we could also do is force a QB pick and put them behind a bad team and we will be back here in 3 years or so with the same issues.

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

Lets be Honest, Eli was not seen as Generational coming out. He had the Manning last name, which boosted him. Coming out Eli was suspect like a lot of QBs but that Manning name made people be patient or just have hope. Eli had become a legend, but even in terms of talent he was always behind Ben and Rivers.

You cant have the #1 or #2 pick in the NFL draft and just pass on a QB and you are us. There is no guarantee your in position for the same spot a year later. Its a risk, but its a risk you have to take being in our position. The new regime will want a QB to signal a "new beginning" imo.

Dont think you can sell, passing on a QB at that spot unless it comes out they Ward or SS are just the worst QBs ever and they stock dramatically tanks. Which I dont see happening.

[mpharris36]

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

QBs in the draft are really unpredictable and tough to evaluate. There's no way to really simulate NFL speed, size, defense and how a young QB will exactly read and react to it. One one end a miss would be another big set back, on the other end its without question our biggest need. So it is def a tough spot.

If they end up with a top 2 pick I think they pretty much have to take a QB. If they don't pan out then just need to move on and keep trying. I think the key is that if they end up with a top pick in 2026, they cant be scared to take another QB. The position is important enough where you can double down for a potential upgrade. I mean, we have wasted enough first round picks from other positions anyway.

Thats fair...I just difficult to me when one of the top guy has stated he doesn't want to be here. You need a QB all in. So yes I'm with you if you are picking that high you should take a chance at a QB if you believe in them. And not be afraid to pull the plug early if it doesn't work out.

However you need the most important player fully invested. Deion seems hell bent of putting him in a landing spot he wants (which is absolutely his right - but if we aren't one of those teams I am not forcing the issue with him).

Ward is a diff story because the talent is there and the draft grade will probably warrant the selection. Just like most thought we reached for Daniel Jones its one thing to keep taking bites at the apple but if you keep missing you keep setting your franchise back because you also are missing out of top non-qb options.

And just because Schoen or previous regimes have blundered top 10 type picks doesn't mean that is the rule. Just me personally if you are lukewarm on a QB do you just pick one and pass up on someone you are sure will be a franchise foundation piece like a Travis Hunter or since the Giants stink in a lot of areas I wouldn't be opposed to trade down situation and accumulate a ton of draft capital. That way maybe you still go QB in the later 1st or early 2nd.

Like most didn't like Bo Nix (or at least had him as the 4 or 5 best QB in the class) or think he was a 1st round talent...Denver did and he might be playing like the best QB in the class right now.

I just hate "forcing" the pick because the top 2 guys are mocked in the top doesn't mean those are going to end up being the top guys of the class.

I don't think DEN or Wash swap Nix or Daniels for Caleb Williams

[TerrenceClarke]

Eli actually reminds me of SS. The Raw Elite Talent is not there, but the mental makeup is something that will catapult him. I dont think people realize how accurate SS is throwing the ball. He is very very good in that department. He doesnt have the super canon but who cares is what I would say. I have seen first hand how you can make up for it. Dude has the mental part on lock. Dude stays calm as hell and just delivers the ball.

[mpharris36]

They have to pick a QB no matter how you slice it. They Just have to get the proper stop gap QB. Last time we did that was with Kurt Warner. Its not forcing it.... You just have to strategize correctly. The reality is that teams can turn it around with a competent GM quickly.... so certain aspects of the team can be fixed quicker than others. Its juts that Schoen sucked so bad he could not fix any aspect of this team. Dude literally has not stabilized not one area of this squad in three years.

The Nastiest Work around lol.

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

Lets be Honest, Eli was not seen as Generational coming out. He had the Manning last name, which boosted him. Coming out Eli was suspect like a lot of QBs but that Manning name made people be patient or just have hope. Eli had become a legend, but even in terms of talent he was always behind Ben and Rivers.

You cant have the #1 or #2 pick in the NFL draft and just pass on a QB and you are us. There is no guarantee your in position for the same spot a year later. Its a risk, but its a risk you have to take being in our position. The new regime will want a QB to signal a "new beginning" imo.

Dont think you can sell, passing on a QB at that spot unless it comes out they Ward or SS are just the worst QBs ever and they stock dramatically tanks. Which I dont see happening.

I get what your saying in that situation (on selling a fanbase) I may hedge my bets and trade down if we are that high up and still pick a QB that is more raw but with upside (say like a Milroe or Nussmeier in late 1st or early 2nd but also accumulate more draft capital). That is obviously if they aren't sold on the upside of either Ward/SS and one is available for them to pick (also assuming Deion and SS are ok with playing in NY because that has still yet to be seen).

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[mpharris36]

Eli actually reminds me of SS. The Raw Elite Talent is not there, but the mental makeup is something that will catapult him. I dont think people realize how accurate SS is throwing the ball. He is very very good in that department. He doesnt have the super canon but who cares is what I would say. I have seen first hand how you can make up for it. Dude has the mental part on lock. Dude stays calm as hell and just delivers the ball.

Difference though is Eli had more size and a stronger arm. SS is accurate he is just not overly big and I wouldn't call him an elite athlete either. Like he can move around the pocket but he's not really a dual threat QB either.

Also more importantly Eli tried to force his way here...from what we have heard Deion might force his way no here. That is an issue beyond the playing field.

[3toheadmelo]

Sheduer seems like he's fine with playing in NY. If he's doing this openly I'm sure his dad is ok with it

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[TerrenceClarke]

Eli actually reminds me of SS. The Raw Elite Talent is not there, but the mental makeup is something that will catapult him. I dont think people realize how accurate SS is throwing the ball. He is very very good in that department. He doesnt have the super canon but who cares is what I would say. I have seen first hand how you can make up for it. Dude has the mental part on lock. Dude stays calm as hell and just delivers the ball.

Difference though is Eli had more size and a stronger arm. SS is accurate he is just not overly big and I wouldn't call him an elite athlete either. Like he can move around the pocket but he's not really a dual threat QB either.

Also more importantly Eli tried to force his way here...from what we have heard Deion might force his way no here. That is an issue beyond the playing field.

Me personally im not focusing on what Deion doesnt want cause I have seen enough that when its all said and done he may have no say in the matter.

The reality is that if SS is there and our GM picks him.... Im not going to be mad. Ward isnt some kind of talent that makes SS and after thought. You can flip a coin or either one.

[TerrenceClarke]

Sheduer seems like he's fine with playing in NY. If he's doing this openly I'm sure his dad is ok with it

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He wants to be in a Big City you can tell. Wow... I just said in my post, when its all said and done, his father prob wont have a say in the matter and I see this lol.

[mpharris36]

Eli actually reminds me of SS. The Raw Elite Talent is not there, but the mental makeup is something that will catapult him. I dont think people realize how accurate SS is throwing the ball. He is very very good in that department. He doesnt have the super canon but who cares is what I would say. I have seen first hand how you can make up for it. Dude has the mental part on lock. Dude stays calm as hell and just delivers the ball.

Difference though is Eli had more size and a stronger arm. SS is accurate he is just not overly big and I wouldn't call him an elite athlete either. Like he can move around the pocket but he's not really a dual threat QB either.

Also more importantly Eli tried to force his way here...from what we have heard Deion might force his way no here. That is an issue beyond the playing field.

Me personally im not focusing on what Deion doesnt want cause I have seen enough that when its all said and done he may have no say in the matter.

The reality is that if SS is there and our GM picks him.... Im not going to be mad. Ward isnt some kind of talent that makes SS and after thought. You can flip a coin or either one.

Well yes if SS is picked by us I would assume they have already been through the process and he's ok playing here. Which ultimately I would be fine with. Just don't want to go through a circus like Chargers did and pick Eli announce the pick and the pick and then he's pissed he's here and Deion says he doesn't want to be there and find a trade. Don't want that circus.

[Deeeez Knicks]

That is true but that was also a generational QB class with Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. That is why I want a new regime so they aren't forced to pick someone they aren't in love with just because they "have to pick one".

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I would take a chance on Ward because I believe in him the most. The rest of the class is dicey to me. I think Milroe has a ton of potential but I don't know if we have a stable enough situation to really develop him because he is so raw as a passer.

Not a SS guy personally.

QBs in the draft are really unpredictable and tough to evaluate. There's no way to really simulate NFL speed, size, defense and how a young QB will exactly read and react to it. One one end a miss would be another big set back, on the other end its without question our biggest need. So it is def a tough spot.

If they end up with a top 2 pick I think they pretty much have to take a QB. If they don't pan out then just need to move on and keep trying. I think the key is that if they end up with a top pick in 2026, they cant be scared to take another QB. The position is important enough where you can double down for a potential upgrade. I mean, we have wasted enough first round picks from other positions anyway.

Thats fair...I just difficult to me when one of the top guy has stated he doesn't want to be here. You need a QB all in. So yes I'm with you if you are picking that high you should take a chance at a QB if you believe in them. And not be afraid to pull the plug early if it doesn't work out.

However you need the most important player fully invested. Deion seems hell bent of putting him in a landing spot he wants (which is absolutely his right - but if we aren't one of those teams I am not forcing the issue with him).

Ward is a diff story because the talent is there and the draft grade will probably warrant the selection. Just like most thought we reached for Daniel Jones its one thing to keep taking bites at the apple but if you keep missing you keep setting your franchise back because you also are missing out of top non-qb options.

And just because Schoen or previous regimes have blundered top 10 type picks doesn't mean that is the rule. Just me personally if you are lukewarm on a QB do you just pick one and pass up on someone you are sure will be a franchise foundation piece like a Travis Hunter or since the Giants stink in a lot of areas I wouldn't be opposed to trade down situation and accumulate a ton of draft capital. That way maybe you still go QB in the later 1st or early 2nd.

Like most didn't like Bo Nix (or at least had him as the 4 or 5 best QB in the class) or think he was a 1st round talent...Denver did and he might be playing like the best QB in the class right now.

I just hate "forcing" the pick because the top 2 guys are mocked in the top doesn't mean those are going to end up being the top guys of the class.

I don't think DEN or Wash swap Nix or Daniels for Caleb Williams

Is the Sanders not wanting to play in NY talk even legit? Sounded like he was open to the idea. Having Nabers will help. Every QB would love a weapon like that.

Of course if they dont like any of the QBs then we shouldnt take a QB just to take them. Or reach for a QB that doesnt have the tools (Jones). I really dont know how they will pan out but it does feels like at least one of these QBs will pan out. We really should be in a good position to take one. If we have a top 2 pick think we just gotta pick and grab one in this class. In the end nobody really knows. It is a crap shoot....but there are QBs with potential in this class.

I mean, even with Caleb. Maybe Daniels or Nix are better, maybe Caleb even passes them. I dont know who will be the best QB, but Bears 100% made the right decision in drafting a QB...just have to evaluate and make sure you take the right one. Caleb is actually playing much better....340 yards, 2Tds, 0 int last game. Looks like it was a good class. Might take a few years to figure out, or even longer who is the best one.

[FrozenEnvelope]

I don't buy Deion with his ego does not want his kid in NYC.

[Synciere]

Giants shouldn’t bother drafting a quarterback. Since we don’t have an elite offensive line and all. A quarterback needs an Oline and since we don’t have one we should let that franchise quarterback go to another team where they can shine and become an MVP candidate.

[MrDollarBills]

So what are the odds now that Schoen gets fired? Mara had to probably be sedated after what happened last night

[Strick]

Eli actually reminds me of SS. The Raw Elite Talent is not there, but the mental makeup is something that will catapult him. I dont think people realize how accurate SS is throwing the ball. He is very very good in that department. He doesnt have the super canon but who cares is what I would say. I have seen first hand how you can make up for it. Dude has the mental part on lock. Dude stays calm as hell and just delivers the ball.

Difference though is Eli had more size and a stronger arm. SS is accurate he is just not overly big and I wouldn't call him an elite athlete either. Like he can move around the pocket but he's not really a dual threat QB either.

Also more importantly Eli tried to force his way here...from what we have heard Deion might force his way no here. That is an issue beyond the playing field.

I actually saw a comp I didn’t hate for SS and it was Joe Burrow. They said neither has a bazooka arm, not an elite athlete, can maneuver the pocket well, great accuracy, loves the spotlight, tough as hell, etc.

[MrDollarBills]

Giants shouldn’t bother drafting a quarterback. Since we don’t have an elite offensive line and all. A quarterback needs an Oline and since we don’t have one we should let that franchise quarterback go to another team where they can shine and become an MVP candidate.

As much as seeing what happened last night sucks, Saquon could rush for 400 yards next Sunday and letting him go was still the right move. Paying RBs big money when the team is so structurally flawed on both sides of the ball isn't going to fix things either.

I can't compare that to the Giants drafting a QB prospect. We have to take the best player available and develop them. If it's Sanders or Ward, great. If it's Travis Hunter, I'm fine with that too

[Synciere]

Giants shouldn’t bother drafting a quarterback. Since we don’t have an elite offensive line and all. A quarterback needs an Oline and since we don’t have one we should let that franchise quarterback go to another team where they can shine and become an MVP candidate.

As much as seeing what happened last night sucks, Saquon could rush for 400 yards next Sunday and letting him go was still the right move. Paying RBs big money when the team is so structurally flawed on both sides of the ball isn't going to fix things either.

I can't compare that to the Giants drafting a QB prospect. We have to take the best player available and develop them. If it's Sanders or Ward, great. If it's Travis Hunter, I'm fine with that too

The fact that you’re still willing to say letting Saquon go was the right move in spite of his production and contract is beyond me. There are some players who can’t be reduced to their position. There’s always exceptions to rules; if you can’t see that by now………

We shouldn’t pay for runningbacks. We should overpay for mediocre quarterbacks instead.

[mpharris36]

Giants shouldn’t bother drafting a quarterback. Since we don’t have an elite offensive line and all. A quarterback needs an Oline and since we don’t have one we should let that franchise quarterback go to another team where they can shine and become an MVP candidate.

As much as seeing what happened last night sucks, Saquon could rush for 400 yards next Sunday and letting him go was still the right move. Paying RBs big money when the team is so structurally flawed on both sides of the ball isn't going to fix things either.

I can't compare that to the Giants drafting a QB prospect. We have to take the best player available and develop them. If it's Sanders or Ward, great. If it's Travis Hunter, I'm fine with that too

The fact that you’re still willing to say letting Saquon go was the right move in spite of his production and contract is beyond me. There are some players who can’t be reduced to their position. There’s always exceptions to rules; if you can’t see that by now………

We shouldn’t pay for runningbacks. We should overpay for mediocre quarterbacks instead.

thats not what he's saying.

He's saying if we kept Saquan the Giants would still be a huge pile of ****. How do we know that...the organization has been a huge pile of ****.

Bottom out is not the worse thing here...we have yet to truly bottom out we always find a way to win a few meaningless games that put us out of the range of improving that overpaid mediocre QB you talk about.

We need a roster overhaul and paying Barkley makes little to no sense for where we are at. You say things can change quickly in the NFL...maybe but lets no act like Barkley was also some model of health and longevity here.

He thriving behind an elite offense that is basically scoring the same amount of PPG they have been the last 3-4 years. Its putting a talented player in a system that works for him. It didn't work here

Sorry if I didn't want a sub 4 ypc RB making 14 MM while the rest of the roster is bad. He's avg over 6 yards per carry with Philly the only time he even sniffed 5 ypc was his rookie year.

Yes it sucks to see him playing really well for a rival but what he is doing in Philly would simply not even be closely replicable if he was playing RB for the Giants...not this year not next year.

And just because he's having a great season doesn't mean it made sense to draft him #2 which was one of the worst decisions a franchise can make. You can't build around a RB...this is a great example of that. RB's are valued in a system not a RB makes a system.

[DaGawd]

is the szn over yet

[mpharris36]

is the szn over yet

its crazy there is 6 more games of this crap.