Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 (i.e. How do we make the Champs even better?)

[Dogen]

I think they can't attach a future 1st pick because it could be taken away if they remain in the 2nd apron 3 years in a row. If they can attach their 25' 1st I'd love this move: It will involve San Antonio again because IMO, they should do everything to tank for Flagg. Wemby and Flagg would be a great combo for the NBA. It would stink for Flagg to go to Tor, Was or Philly.

Spurs get Springer and C's 25' 1st

C's get Champagnie

Spurs need to move some other pieces like Barnes/CP3 to go full tank mode. If there's a year to go for it it's this year.

When I first read this I didn't put too much thought on it. But then I decided to take good look at Champagnie. I had no Idea he is 6'8 (listed anyway) . He is only in his 2nd year yet looks so battle tested. At 23 years old only, he would be a great trade choice. I actually would do my Binkie Jordan Walsh + Springer + 2025 1st for him. We would still have potentially pick 32 so not much loss. I still like and believe in Walsh but his timeline and opportunity would be better suited elsewhere. See Nesmith as an example.

Champagnie has some D White Vibes to him. His shooting, just like D white, would probably go up on Boston. He does a little of everything. Certainly is way more capable as a current starter to step in and contribute more than Walsh/Springer by a good margin. All while having a young talent with size to continue to develop.

Champagnie may be the forward version of D White.

Final trade - Champagnie + 2nd for Springer, Walsh, 2025 1st. Celtics Bring back team fan Favorite Lonnie Walker..

This isn't too bad, although I'd like to keep Walsh out of the trade. Champagnie is getting a lot of minutes in SA, so maybe he's the one they want to keep. They are pretty loaded with young SF/PF types, so there is a roster crunch. For Springer, he gives another option in the backcourt with CP3, Castle, and Jones. He might blossom in that system.

As Champagnie is more of a 3pt scorer than Walsh or Springer, I'd rather keep Walsh and not necessarily pursue Walker withy that extra roster spot. One addition is fine, we have other players to develop and very limited minutes.

Good trade partner too, with Brad and Pops.

[Dogen]

Watching some Julian Champagnie highlights. He does give off D White vibes. And apparently Pops really likes him, so the price may be too high.

[phincsfan]

The owners could be saving like $200M in annually luxury taxes.

They're going for back to back and maybe even a 3 peat.

[Fierce1]

Watching some Julian Champagnie highlights. He does give off D White vibes. And apparently Pops really likes him, so the price may be too high.

His salary fits in with what the Celts are doing.

Walsh has improved this season, but the Cs are better off heading into the playoffs with a guy like Champagnie.

Problem is what would it take for the Spurs to give us Champagnie?

[ConstableGeneva]

The owners could be saving like $200M in annually luxury taxes.

They're going for back to back and maybe even a 3 peat.

They should only trade one of the starting five if there's a mandate from the ownership to avoid tax/reset repeater tax. (Tatum being the untouchable one, obvs.)

[phincsfan]

Watching some Julian Champagnie highlights. He does give off D White vibes. And apparently Pops really likes him, so the price may be too high.

His salary fits in with what the Celts are doing.

Walsh has improved this season, but the Cs are better off heading into the playoffs with a guy like Champagnie.

Problem is what would it take for the Spurs to give us Champagnie?

IMO, a 1st rd pick is fair enough compensation for Champagnie. My angle had to do with a full tanking by the Spurs. They would want to get much worse ASAP and a Champagnie trade wouldn't be enough. They'd have to move Barnes in another deal.

That's why I say a move with Champagnie would only happen if the Spurs committed to tanking. He won't get moved just for the hell of it. A domino's effect for a tank job.

[djFan71]

The owners could be saving like $200M in annually luxury taxes.

They're going for back to back and maybe even a 3 peat.

They should only trade one of the starting five if there's a mandate from the ownership to avoid tax/reset repeater tax. (Tatum being the untouchable one, obvs.)

Just Tatum?

[Captain Holt]

They're going for back to back and maybe even a 3 peat.

They should only trade one of the starting five if there's a mandate from the ownership to avoid tax/reset repeater tax. (Tatum being the untouchable one, obvs.)

Just Tatum?

Ha ha ha

Derrick is untouchable too

[ConstableGeneva]

They're going for back to back and maybe even a 3 peat.

They should only trade one of the starting five if there's a mandate from the ownership to avoid tax/reset repeater tax. (Tatum being the untouchable one, obvs.)

Just Tatum?

Sshhh... didn't want to be accused of playing favorites.

[Dogen]

Watching some Julian Champagnie highlights. He does give off D White vibes. And apparently Pops really likes him, so the price may be too high.

His salary fits in with what the Celts are doing.

Walsh has improved this season, but the Cs are better off heading into the playoffs with a guy like Champagnie.

Problem is what would it take for the Spurs to give us Champagnie?

IMO, a 1st rd pick is fair enough compensation for Champagnie. My angle had to do with a full tanking by the Spurs. They would want to get much worse ASAP and a Champagnie trade wouldn't be enough. They'd have to move Barnes in another deal.

That's why I say a move with Champagnie would only happen if the Spurs committed to tanking. He won't get moved just for the hell of it. A domino's effect for a tank job.

JC would be a nice 5th bench player to compliment Al, Neemy, Sam and Payton. I just don't see why Spurs would tank. They'd want to move CP3 & Barnes. Didn't those guys get brought on to show Wemby and co how to win? Seems they are out of the payoff scene now, but would still be late lotto in 2025, and for what? -- the chance that lightning strikes thrice and they luck into Flagg. Very unlikely.

But they are overloaded at certain positions, and will be looking for draft assets for use in trades or to move up. The Celtics don't need a late first next draft, nor do they need Springer this year. I'm all for a mutually beneficial move, but agree this one is unlikely unless something happens with the Spurs. If Wemby is out later in the season, maybe they pull the plug.

[shackles10]

Can we even trade a future 1st? Thought there was a 2nd apron rule against it because they hate us so much.

[ConstableGeneva]

Can we even trade a future 1st? Thought there was a 2nd apron rule against it because they hate us so much.

Yes, we can. I think the 1st round pick from 2032 will be frozen if we're still a 2nd apron team at the end of this season. Everything else before then is fair game (Stepien rule still applies). I think this new rule hurts the other 2nd apron contenders who have already spent their other 1sts (Suns, Bucks, etc.)

[shackles10]

Can we even trade a future 1st? Thought there was a 2nd apron rule against it because they hate us so much.

Yes, we can. I think the 1st round pick from 2032 will be frozen if we're still a 2nd apron team at the end of this season. Everything else before then is fair game (Stepien rule still applies). I think this new rule hurts the other 2nd apron contenders who have already spent their other 1sts (Suns, Bucks, etc.)

Gracias!

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Watching some Julian Champagnie highlights. He does give off D White vibes. And apparently Pops really likes him, so the price may be too high.

If Julian Champagnie ends up on the Celtics I hope his tenure will be more memorable than his brother's.

[phincsfan]

Can we even trade a future 1st? Thought there was a 2nd apron rule against it because they hate us so much.

Yes, we can. I think the 1st round pick from 2032 will be frozen if we're still a 2nd apron team at the end of this season. Everything else before then is fair game (Stepien rule still applies). I think this new rule hurts the other 2nd apron contenders who have already spent their other 1sts (Suns, Bucks, etc.)

Gracias!

2032 where will I be and what will the C's look like??

Hilarious how the NBA comes up with these random years.

[Celts17Pride]

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Springer is moved and Walker and Brissett are added at the trade deadline. I'm sure Brad Stevens has a plan. Brad is going to see how Porzingis does when he comes back before he makes any move in my opinion.

[165bows]

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Springer is moved and Walker and Brissett are added at the trade deadline. I'm sure Brad Stevens has a plan. Brad is going to see how Porzingis does when he comes back before he makes any move in my opinion.

First to the Floor podcast guys floated a Springer for Yabs deal once Philly falls out of it which is hilarious.

[phincsfan]

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Springer is moved and Walker and Brissett are added at the trade deadline. I'm sure Brad Stevens has a plan. Brad is going to see how Porzingis does when he comes back before he makes any move in my opinion.

First to the Floor podcast guys floated a Springer for Yabs deal once Philly falls out of it which is hilarious.

That would be hillarious. Could that be the first time that type of swap happened? Both players only other team they played for was the one they get traded back to?

[Dogen]

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Springer is moved and Walker and Brissett are added at the trade deadline. I'm sure Brad Stevens has a plan. Brad is going to see how Porzingis does when he comes back before he makes any move in my opinion.

First to the Floor podcast guys floated a Springer for Yabs deal once Philly falls out of it which is hilarious.

That would be hillarious. Could that be the first time that type of swap happened? Both players only other team they played for was the one they get traded back to?

I may be the Mayor of Springerstan but gotta admit having the Dancing Bear back in green would be awesome. If KP stays healthy and Brad finds a way to turn Springer into Yabs and LW4, that is a recipe for a very fun and deep bench.

I wonder how Tatum, White and Holiday got along with Yabusele during the Olympics. I'm sure they were all fine, but did Yabusele make real connections on the team, or did he have, ehem... Grant-style friendships.

[celtxman]

Two trading possibilities to dump a lot of long term salary and taxes, while increasing possibilities to add low cost future role players. Yes, I don't like Brown anymore. Just like Smart he's holding the team back. Brown takes 20 shots per game at 48 eFG%. High volume with low efficiency. Quite unnecessary when White, Pritchard, Holiday and Horford shoot the lights out.

To Atlanta: Brown
To Boston: Capela + Hunter + multiple first round picks

To Detroit: Brown
To Boston: Harris + Hardaway + multiple first round picks

Nope for both, by a Longshot. You're giving up a battle tested Finals MVP in his prime. Here's one I would "consider." Capela, Bogdonovich and Jalen Johnson + picks. It works in the trade checker.
Capela is expiring and he's over 30, so maybe Celts consider a Horford type contract. Bogdanovic is dangerous and clutch but is 32. Assuming his hamstring is right he is under contract for $16 million for 2 more seasons. Johnson is a beast and under control 4 more years at $30 million per.
The more I think about it maybe you package in Hauser as you're getting two wings.
Now NONE of this is happening, but the Celtics are running the show if there was. This also gives a big man option should Horford retire. It also has the potential for a lower payroll especially if Hauser is included.