Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[pcbothwel]

How about Valanciunas to the Lakers? For junk & picks?

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about Valanciunas to the Lakers? For junk & picks?

Demand Bronny+picks for JV.

FWIW, Jahmir Young, who went undrafted, is far outperforming Bronny James in the G-League.

[TrueFan420]

How about Valanciunas to the Lakers? For junk & picks?

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

[nate33]

How about Valanciunas to the Lakers? For junk & picks?

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

I'd consider this, but I'd also like to scale back the protection of the 2030 pick Golden State owes us. It is currently top 20 protected. I'd want that changed to top 10 protected, or at least lotto protected. Either that, or configure it so that if it doesn't convey in 2030, it gets pushed back to 2031 (rather than the obligation being extinguished as is currently the case).

[payitforward]

I ike it too, except we don't have room to take back 4 players for 2. I suppose there are a lot of ways to solve that....

I do like Gui Santos as a 22-year old player with a good amount of upside.

[TrueFan420]

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

I'd consider this, but I'd also like to scale back the protection of the 2030 pick Golden State owes us. It is currently top 20 protected. I'd want that changed to top 10 protected, or at least lotto protected. Either that, or configure it so that if it doesn't convey in 2030, it gets pushed back to 2031 (rather than the obligation being extinguished as is currently the case).

I’d be ok with lotto protected but zero chance we’d roll the pick to another year. It handcuffs us for trades.

[TrueFan420]

I ike it too, except we don't have room to take back 4 players for 2. I suppose there are a lot of ways to solve that....

I do like Gui Santos as a 22-year old player with a good amount of upside.

Melton is done so he’s likely cut. Would be 3 for 2 and much easier to manage.

[payitforward]

Val would be a big help for the Lakers & the Warriors alike, which might create a very positive bargaining situation for us.

[pcbothwel]

How about Valanciunas to the Lakers? For junk & picks?

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Its unfortunate that Melton tore his ACL, but he did and is the equivalent to lighting money on fire right now. JV and Brogdon probably solidify GSW as a top 5 team in the NBA, and the 26th/27th pick in the draft is a really poor return for 2 rotational players/fringe starters on good/expiring contracts.
If you add in the reduced protection for 2030, and for some reason we could flip Looney & GP2 to 3rd team for decent 2nd it would be palatable. But hard to tell.

[payitforward]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

[nate33]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

I'd definitely do this if they relaxed the protection on the 2030 pick from top 20 to top 10.

The way I look at it, that pick is fairly unlikely to convey at the moment because they're probably not a top 10 team without Curry. But if the protection drops to top 10, then it becomes a pretty good bet that the pick will convey because they are a well-managed club with deep pockets and a couple of solid young players already in the fold. A top 20 finish seems pretty likely.

So it would almost be like trading Brogdon and JV for two FRP's.

And let's face it. Brodgon and JV have no value to us as actual players. Their only value is what they can be traded for. I think it's unlikely that we would do better than this.

[TrueFan420]

I've been looking at that, however, I cant imagine they give up a 1st for JV only. The 2025 LAC 2nd looks interesting in the 45-48 range, but thats about it.
That said, I think another opportunity has come up that could bring it all home. GSW just lost their only other lead guard for the year (Melton), and Curry will be 37 in a few months. Brogdon seems like the PERFECT high IQ, elite shooting, versatile guard for them.
Main parts/Bones of the trade as follows:

Wiz in: Vanderbilt, Vincent, Melton
Wiz Out: Brogdon, JV

LAL in: JV, GPii
LAL Out: Vanderbilt, Vincent

GSW In: Brogdon
GSW Out: Melton, GPii

Why LAL: JV & GPii are both talent upgrades and cost savings. The question becomes if its worth a protected 1st for them. I think it would be given the talent increase while saving 2.7M this year, and ~13M next year.

Why GSW: Brogdon is the perfect guard to add to that rotation, and they only lose a 10th man (GPii) in the process. They have plenty of picks, so its just about settling in on the right value.

For the Wiz, we buy out/waive Melton, take on Vincents 11.5M contract next year, as well as a buy low contract in Vanderbilt. He is only 25, and is the type of tough, versatile defender/rebounder that can play with Sarr. He's a classic C on offense, and a 3/4 on defense.
The question really is...what assets can we garner from this. The GSW 2025 1st seems obvious for both sides, and we could toss them back their 2nd to close the small gap, if necessary.
For LAL, I would think their 2029/2030 1st with lotto protections could work.

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Its unfortunate that Melton tore his ACL, but he did and is the equivalent to lighting money on fire right now. JV and Brogdon probably solidify GSW as a top 5 team in the NBA, and the 26th/27th pick in the draft is a really poor return for 2 rotational players/fringe starters on good/expiring contracts.
If you add in the reduced protection for 2030, and for some reason we could flip Looney & GP2 to 3rd team for decent 2nd it would be palatable. But hard to tell.

If we don’t need to change the protection, I’d add both 2nds we have available. If we reduce to lotto,
I’d add 1 2nd. The expiring of Brogdon is worse for us. We need players locked up.

[TrueFan420]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

I'd definitely do this if they relaxed the protection on the 2030 pick from top 20 to top 10.

The way I look at it, that pick is fairly unlikely to convey at the moment because they're probably not a top 10 team without Curry. But if the protection drops to top 10, then it becomes a pretty good bet that the pick will convey because they are a well-managed club with deep pockets and a couple of solid young players already in the fold. A top 20 finish seems pretty likely.

So it would almost be like trading Brogdon and JV for two FRP's.

And let's face it. Brodgon and JV have no value to us as actual players. Their only value is what they can be traded for. I think it's unlikely that we would do better than this.

Would do lotto.

Yea that’s too rich but 1 isn’t enough either. I’d easily add a 2nd to move over the top

[TrueFan420]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

For players you don’t want and don’t want to be there?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-rumors/los-angeles-lakers/lakers-acquire-perfect-guard-center-duo-necessary-mock-trade-deal

Trade Details

Los Angeles Lakers Receive: Malcolm Brogdon, Jonas Valanciunas

Washington Wizards Receive: D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Christian Wood, 2025 Second-Round Pick (LAL), 2025 Second-Round Pick (LAC), 2030 Second-Round Pick (LAL)

This is a mock trade idea that I've seen in a couple places today.

It benefits the Lakers. I see nothing good for Washington.

[pcbothwel]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

For players you don’t want and don’t want to be there?

You keep repeating this point, but it makes zero sense. We are a rebuilding team and not trying to win games, so we should give away good players for less than market value?
I agree with your premise if you are the only offeror, but that’s not the case and we have 2+ months until the deadline.

Again. 2025 1st, lowered protection on 2030 1st to top 12, and a GSW/ATL 2028/29 2nd seems to be close.
If Looney/GP2 could be rerouted to add another 2nd then it’s probably enough.

But I think we’re at least a month away from that.

[Jay81]

Sacramento is 8-10 lol. DeRosan made no impact so far and Keegan Murray has been a bust

They could really use Kuzma

[Benjammin]

So far the Wizards get an A+ for the tank efforts, a B+ for the rooks and BCoul getting some time, and a C- for improving the trade value of JV, Brogdon, and Kuz.

[penbeast0]

As a Warriors fan, if we had to include our first I’d rather cut the Lakers out.

Warriors In: Brogdon and Val
Warriors Out: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Wizards Out: Brogdon and Val
Wizards in: Melton, GP2, Looney, Gui and a 1st

Warriors get a great fit at G next to Steph and a legit C that can fit our offense and provide size. He’s also 3 year deal and reasonable contract so we’re not giving up our 1st on 2 rentals.

Wizards are losing Brogdon who doesn’t want to be there and Val who was signed to be flipped. Melton, GP2 and Loon all expire so they keep flexibility and Gui is salary match 2nd rounder with minimal dollars.

Well, you're right that, for us, Melton, GP2 & Looney add no value in the trade. In effect, we would be trading Brogdon & Valanciunas for Gui Santos & a R1 pick.

Seems a little generous on our part, don't you think?

For players you don’t want and don’t want to be there?

We (well, I) want them. They make good vet mentors who work hard and have value outside of their scoring. We (I again) want to move Kuzma and Poole even though Poole is having a strong start to get the young guys more shots. JV and Brogdon are fine sticking around unless we get an offer that gives us real value going forward.

[payitforward]

So far the Wizards get an A+ for the tank efforts, a B+ for the rooks and BCoul getting some time, and a C- for improving the trade value of JV, Brogdon, and Kuz.

??
How would they go about "improving the trade value" of Valanciunas or Brogdon?

As to Kuzma, it does seem obvious that they'd have gotten more for him from Dallas last year than will be easy to get this year.

I'd call the draft an A+ myself.