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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#721 » by Vampirate » Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:52 am

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Scase wrote:I suspect he will be an average efficiency scorer, which will be enough pressure on defences to allow him more freedom to run the offence at a high level. But I think a mid range game is what he needs above anything else, he's shown flashes of the proper technique, but he's gotta focus on that, and realizing he's really quite strong. If he can hone in on being a paint bully he will have to be doubled, which leaves the rest of the team to run free, cause you know he will find the best option 9/10 times.

But until he's able to get one of those 2 at a solid level, it's all potential. Call him a #2 or a #1, doesn't matter much to me as he's not a #1 scorer, and we will need one if we want to make any sort of noise. I just think with everything else he does in his game, he's going to draw a lot of opposing defences and he's smart and talented enough to make them pay when they do. He just needs to give them a reason to double him lol.


There are several pathways to him improving his efficiency, yes. I'm just waiting to see if it will happen.

I would love to see him develop a mid-range game, yes. It's there for him and he has the physical tools to excel there. In general, I just want to be happy as he develops and grows. It's frustrating to get someone with the physical tools who takes a year and a day to show meaningful signs of improvement on O, but is flashing improvement in enough other areas that you know he's putting in the work.

He's clearly much more effective when the 3 and that elbow jumper are falling. So we'll see what this season brings. This Pistons game is a fun watch because his J IS falling.


It's nights like these where he puts up ridiculous stat lines and makes you think 'what if' lol....sprinkled in with games he looks like a 5th option. :lol:

He put the team on his back but couldn't carry it home.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#722 » by Shwaguy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:55 am

A little work needed on the finishing but I think he can get that sorted out sooner than later.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#723 » by Shwaguy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:01 am

I feel like he's definitely missed some easy ones (Like the left handed one near the end he blew), also feel like some of it is a shot selection issue. Sometimes he takes some very difficult layups. Overall a great game from him though. Got hot from 3 and did a good job realizing when he went cold there. Should have had a very clear cut triple double but this team can't make open looks clean.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#724 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:19 am

Vampirate wrote:It's nights like these where he puts up ridiculous stat lines and makes you think 'what if' lol....sprinkled in with games he looks like a 5th option. :lol:

He put the team on his back but couldn't carry it home.


It's a bit of both. He shot only 12/26 and he was 3/7 in the 4th quarter despite taking all his shots in the paint. But the rest of the team was atrocious, which was a more serious problem and the ultimate deciding factor in this game, apart from our inability to deal with Detroit's offense in the 4th.

But the all-around game was pretty impressive, and despite his poor shooting, his aggression and ability to at least REACH the paint was good stuff. Promising signs.
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Post#725 » by Shwaguy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:27 am

I wouldn't even call it a bad shooting night.

If Scottie averaged 46/38/80 shooting splits this season I think we would be happy about that. FG% at the rim def gotta go up though.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#726 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:33 am

Shwaguy wrote:I wouldn't even call it a bad shooting night.


It was a 55% TS night on the back of 46.2% shooting which ended 3/7 in the paint in the 4th.

It wasn't a horrid shooting night overall, but he was also 4/10 in the second half, exclusively in the paint. That's... not good. So at some point, we're splitting hairs over the specific terms. Ultimately, though, this was a full-team loss and Scottie was also the core reason we held the lead as long as we did, so there's that.
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Post#727 » by PushDaRock » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:35 am

Some good signs and he was really good on the offensive glass tonight as well. Once again we see Scottie's best offensive weapon is his physicality, just getting to the rim and making something happen. He turns it up in the 4th when needed but that kind of game isn't one you can play all 4 quarters without getting worn down. He had the shot going for a bit this game which helped a lot.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#728 » by Thaddy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:51 am

PushDaRock wrote:Some good signs and he was really good on the offensive glass tonight as well. Once again we see Scottie's best offensive weapon is his physicality, just getting to the rim and making something happen. He turns it up in the 4th when needed but that kind of game isn't one you can play all 4 quarters without getting worn down. He had the shot going for a bit this game which helped a lot.

Spacing is a massive issue. A stretch big is flat out more valuable than a defensive big. If we had Olynyk instead of Poeltl Barnes scoring numbers would be way better. A stretch defensive big like Chet is the best fit to put next to Barnes.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#729 » by PushDaRock » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:52 am

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PushDaRock wrote:Some good signs and he was really good on the offensive glass tonight as well. Once again we see Scottie's best offensive weapon is his physicality, just getting to the rim and making something happen. He turns it up in the 4th when needed but that kind of game isn't one you can play all 4 quarters without getting worn down. He had the shot going for a bit this game which helped a lot.

Spacing is a massive issue. A stretch big is flat out more valuable than a defensive big. If we had Olynyk instead of Poeltl Barnes scoring numbers would be way better. A stretch defensive big like Chet is the best fit to put next to Barnes.


I mean sure, shouldn't be too difficult to find another Chet type out there right?
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#730 » by Thaddy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:03 am

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PushDaRock wrote:Some good signs and he was really good on the offensive glass tonight as well. Once again we see Scottie's best offensive weapon is his physicality, just getting to the rim and making something happen. He turns it up in the 4th when needed but that kind of game isn't one you can play all 4 quarters without getting worn down. He had the shot going for a bit this game which helped a lot.

Spacing is a massive issue. A stretch big is flat out more valuable than a defensive big. If we had Olynyk instead of Poeltl Barnes scoring numbers would be way better. A stretch defensive big like Chet is the best fit to put next to Barnes.


I mean sure, shouldn't be too difficult to find another Chet type out there right?

Lopez, Porzingus, Ware, and others are in the league. Then you have prospects coming in every draft. There's more guys other than Chet bud.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#731 » by PushDaRock » Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:07 am

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PushDaRock wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Spacing is a massive issue. A stretch big is flat out more valuable than a defensive big. If we had Olynyk instead of Poeltl Barnes scoring numbers would be way better. A stretch defensive big like Chet is the best fit to put next to Barnes.


I mean sure, shouldn't be too difficult to find another Chet type out there right?

Lopez, Porzingus, Ware, and others are in the league. Then you have prospects coming in every draft. There's more guys other than Chet bud.


That's why I said it wouldn't be difficult right?
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#732 » by Thaddy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:10 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
I mean sure, shouldn't be too difficult to find another Chet type out there right?

Lopez, Porzingus, Ware, and others are in the league. Then you have prospects coming in every draft. There's more guys other than Chet bud.


That's why I said it wouldn't be difficult right?

No it's not easy. That's why we're ranking.
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Post#733 » by Shwaguy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:27 am

If we don't end up at the very top of the lotto Maluach is a pretty intriguing option to pair with Scottie and Gradey
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#734 » by Scase » Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:20 am

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Scase wrote:I suspect he will be an average efficiency scorer, which will be enough pressure on defences to allow him more freedom to run the offence at a high level. But I think a mid range game is what he needs above anything else, he's shown flashes of the proper technique, but he's gotta focus on that, and realizing he's really quite strong. If he can hone in on being a paint bully he will have to be doubled, which leaves the rest of the team to run free, cause you know he will find the best option 9/10 times.

But until he's able to get one of those 2 at a solid level, it's all potential. Call him a #2 or a #1, doesn't matter much to me as he's not a #1 scorer, and we will need one if we want to make any sort of noise. I just think with everything else he does in his game, he's going to draw a lot of opposing defences and he's smart and talented enough to make them pay when they do. He just needs to give them a reason to double him lol.


There are several pathways to him improving his efficiency, yes. I'm just waiting to see if it will happen.

I would love to see him develop a mid-range game, yes. It's there for him and he has the physical tools to excel there. In general, I just want to be happy as he develops and grows. It's frustrating to get someone with the physical tools who takes a year and a day to show meaningful signs of improvement on O, but is flashing improvement in enough other areas that you know he's putting in the work.

He's clearly much more effective when the 3 and that elbow jumper are falling. So we'll see what this season brings. This Pistons game is a fun watch because his J IS falling.


It's nights like these where he puts up ridiculous stat lines and makes you think 'what if' lol....sprinkled in with games he looks like a 5th option. :lol:

He put the team on his back but couldn't carry it home.

RJ was too much dead weight to carry :lol:

Scottie should've had an easy trip dub if anyone on this team could shoot.
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Post#735 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:53 am

This poor guy has no spacing still in 2024.. Horrible roster construction.. He is playing in hard mode on our current team... Guess it's good for tanking
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#736 » by bonjovi0308 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:39 am

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:This poor guy has no spacing still in 2024.. Horrible roster construction.. He is playing in hard mode on our current team... Guess it's good for tanking


Not that mgt didn't add shooters but both Dick and Quickley are hurt and jakobe not with team so what can they do? I thought Battle could play more but I'm happy with the loss
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#737 » by Thaddy » Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:33 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:This poor guy has no spacing still in 2024.. Horrible roster construction.. He is playing in hard mode on our current team... Guess it's good for tanking


Not that mgt didn't add shooters but both Dick and Quickley are hurt and jakobe not with team so what can they do? I thought Battle could play more but I'm happy with the loss

The most important piece would be a stretch big. This would make Barnes a lot more dangerous in the mid post. The good thing is that Barnes is being conditioned as a scorer since he's relying on weaker parts of his game. Bringing the ball up as the PG and then initiating offense with a live dribble isn't his strong suit but he's getting in reps.

Ideally I would want someone like IQ bringing up the ball and dumping it in the mid post to Barnes from where he can play a Carmelo Anthony type of game in the half court. Otherwise I want Barnes to push the ball in transition. A stretch big prospect that makes the right plays on the floor is what we need. I'm thinking that's going to be Rocco Zikarsy a few years into development.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8 

Post#738 » by anotherhomer » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:24 am

i watched the highlights, it's nice scottie is flashing more and more of the mid-range jumper, i can tell it's a work in progress but it'll be a important part of his game
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Post#739 » by ahollz » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:30 am

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Post#740 » by Airmiess » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:50 am

His trajectory has changed with the quick release from range and midrange. I can say hes on Siakam tier now.

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